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Sesshin Day 5

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i never received a two doors open it reminds and figure getting in to hear me okay
mean these two doors it has been that reminds me of the old saying the cool breeze blows through the empty hall which is the conditioners as in
i should be
that
you can
a little turbulence in the next
well how about today is afternoon we have to shoot so ceremony show only like a little bit about that about our attitude

hum
it's you know know
she said
when when you ask the shoe so a question
i think that you should be careful not to make in a compound
intellectual
an end
on
academic
come on
exercise then it was right when exercising
which it will board everyone
i am
but am i remember when into billion conference in palo alto
ah after we after him when he gave their talks
i'm
people ask questions
and there was one guy asked this question that went on for about three minutes
and i was so disgusted you know when i said something like
my memory is very short and i can absorb all the things that's a place and you ask when you asked question make it succeed and to the point
and then window she also makes a response is not an answer necessary video question
it's a response
the important thing is not the information
the important thing is the energy is transferred
so information is important but it's not as important as the energy is transferred
so ah it's correct spark
something that's vital some vitality that's true
the answer to the question is not necessarily true
even though intellectually it may be true
but
vitally it's not what's required
right
a question and a response
i'm not saying that every response to be explosive that's not my dream
that's pretty good
but am
it's not a discussion
and it's not
hendricks explanation
not an academic exercise
so when the shiso gets caught by making an explanation than the whole thing starts going downhill from there and can help making explanations thereafter
self an issue so that be very careful not to get caught
by trying to make somebody understand what you're saying
the content just seduces you into explaining
difficult
this is a test of the shu says not their intellectual acumen but their actual san practice

yes
even your sound while shows show me is a little different because i'm talking mostly to my students
and so there's a different kind of relationship
yeah that's a different kind of relationships so sometimes i will say something but the last show son i think i didn't say more than two words anybody
a few more but
a pretty good
we're getting there begin and i'm getting there
challenged
and
a definite we'd have a golf countering each where it
at five words and seven works with
so we want to create creative vitality
and then well and satisfied and a boot takes a lot
me
as soon as we hear somebody explaining something everybody goes to sleep
when in i wish just was over
so we have to keep the interest alive
hmm
okay
so now i'm going to than i give my dog

wouldn't we
well yesterday i was talking about them
no gain in mind
it may be talking about that
and come
i'm not sure that we really understand what that means
no gaining mind
i'm so i'm talking about a little bit more and a home

duggan's mg you know
when it is most well-known statements is
don't seek for fame and game don't practice for fame and game
don't practice in order to work yourself into a position when you become famous or when you gain some kind of recognition
hum it is the hardest thing you know
are you know if if you another way to practice for the right reasons basically it's practice for the right reasons
and no branches for the wrong reasons
i'm practicing for the wrong reasons is a perversion of the and the dharma
so we don't practice to gain something and practiced to let go of
whenever we can they go up
so candy is simply the opposite of that
we don't practice to improve our health but again strong legs or
ah to be a good buddhist esther anything i tap
hum
the indonesians time one of the reasons for this with course i enjoy your time to a when he went to china
and it also in japan we know when
the time i when good buddhism becomes widespread then a lot of people are doing the practice and then they start doing it for various reasons which is normal in common than in a religious practice people tried doing stuff with
around reason
and
when you have a
ah bureaucracy people are vying for position it
so ah
you know if you look at what's happening in japan what's happened in japan
i'm
there are temples where people practice in point but this you know the hierarchy creates a
environment where
people are you know working for position are working for support or
working for
a name and fame fame so doing to become a famous monk or are you want to have a position as the head of a temple film and this was very widespread in china and japan by don't get time and
people were buying their way into being the abbot of a temple for instance
and he do certain things new piece homage and seven and then you can become the evidence is temple
the early
so dog was very down and fame and game
and a gaining bind a hey you know not just it in that realm but also you know why would he do when you're practicing what are you doing when your settings as him
so we sit in so he said so many people from a dangerous
have had
good understanding of huh
doesn't but almost no one understood zazen as exam
they will have good reason for it for branches users version but very few had they understanding of patterns as a result of him
which is how you actually practice in the most fundamental pillar ways
so
so if you have a goal
then the goal easily becomes
ha
an obstruction to practice
if you want if you're practicing to become something that goal can become an obstruction to practice
i'm because then you're sacrificing everything where the goal
so the actual practice exists moment the moment
the in order to sit as in and out i notice it's a shame the only way we can practice
with any kind of and perturb ability is from moment to moment
if you look at the goals for the goal is to complete seven days as and them
doesn't work
the final goal is to get outta here
it has to be moment by moment adjusting yourself to each moment
simply adjusting and
finding out how to exist and each moment with were present
that's and there's no although the there is a result you know that naturally everything as a result in the beginning and an end
but
you know if you practice to achieve the goal
i got helps us you know because it gives us some direction
just because we don't have a goal doesn't mean we don't have some direction
it is a way to go
but the way to go is moment to moment so that you bring your life to life but when after moment you olivia complete life on each moment
because there's only this moment and this is where it happens
surviving moment to moment the moment and actually no moment is only one moment
and i met one moment to this this is cliff
so data we can sit with the difficulty we have
in the difficulty
actually helps us to do that
if we sit that associated without any difficulty it's okay then it doesn't have the vitality and the a
the focus that it does when we have a problem
so
city without a problem
ah
is
not a vital and sitting with the problem
so that's why we will actually appreciate our problem
and this is how we can appreciate our life
if we live our lives in the same way that we live our zazen
then we can appreciate our problem and can just to our problem
moment by moment
so we waste a lot of my life chasing after seven all
and that in the future you know we'll have something
and we easily forget that right now we have something
but we don't think it's as good as that thing we're going to get
it's the problem so we're this is a problem with
discrimination discrimination means this moment is not as good as the next moments gonna be because our yardstick is some ideal
i do so we have an idea about enlightenment were measuring
our life through the yardstick that ideal
things should be good
my life should be good and so since our life as should be good it's bad
i'm
true
the good and bad are just
two sides and by discriminating mind
actually what's good is bad and with bed is good it's just a matter of our attitude
huh
you know yesterday
i read your couple of little quotes from so wacky russia
which are the epitome of this
i'll read them again
why can find them
don't now
what's the use of to is him
there is no use doing jason
until this penetrates your thick skull
and you are really doing zazen it is of no use it is really have no use its investment
so
the important point in zazen is totally useless
and that's well
so if something is useless why do we do it
because we want everything to be useful
the were hooked on youthfulness
so pure existence is not useful
doesn't a pure existence is the other side of comparative values
it's not in the realm of comparative values
but we live in a roman comparative a good and bad right and wrong again and loss
doesn't is not concerned with any of those things and simply pure existence
but we don't value it because it's like clear water you'd rather have cook
the
diet go

patna
and then it is the boot of way is not to be distracted
in another one to not let yourself be distracted not get distracted
it is to become your is to become your role in the bones and other the buddha away should be your role in life
and not be distracted by other things
but gain and loss
good and bad temper
this attitude is cold
samadhi or she can danza just doing we don't eat food to take a ship
we don't take a shit to make maneuver
but in recent years most people think that you got a high school to get into college and going to college to get a good job so when he say
yes
pure practice is not to do one thing in order to get something else
we do one thing to penetrate one thing and do one thing thoroughly then the next thing
we do that one thing penetrate that one thing thoroughly in our life comes to life and each moment we're bringing our life to live on each moment and that sacrificing this moment for somebody
ideal so it's not that we shouldn't have an idea of go
but the goal is not the point
i go should help us to find ourself in each moment rather than sacrifice your in each moment to reach the goal
so go can be useful
if we never reach it
and that buddhism actually the unreachable goal
so we say we just have to practice forever we don't change in her womb and event to end
but a chicken end because the goal is every moment
the real goal is to be here not to be there but that's a kind of
karat gold
the carrot law
keep you going
i what when you get there they need to have to do something of that
his goal is a kind of of false
place to be because you just have to do something else going to get there which is okay course
sure there's only stages of where we are
so not to add anything extra
yes

one
yeah well you should be careful about that too
so pure existence is just a term
you already there
so if you want to be you know if you're greedy for pure existence it means you're greedy for being where you are with what you have
so that's ok
the perfect
so belgian immensely with suzuki roshi you know i would say well i really
that mind beginner's mind but for years i don't read it and don't look at it for you and i just go about my business and then everyone's know one when i look at it and just you know give deeper and deeper
but i looked at it today
and he's talking about purity and practice stepping up the hundred foot pole and know gaining idea
did you not have seen
this is by purity we do not mean the polish something and referring to polishing the dial i think we're trying to make some impure thing pure
no i just
i'm talking about
mansa nam nam matter
now ah polishing the you know nonsense setting
zazi and and
matcha comes along i guess what she's doing as and sitting rather than usual or why you shouldn't drive engine to have to become a buddha and so much of pincher
a time waster rubbing a rock on it
and he says
not a nitrogen what are you doing it is i'm trying to make a tire mcnamara and of a tile
i can make a mirror out of a tile by rubbing it with stone will happen to make a buddha
by sitting down there
never read by polishing your practice by sitting relevant trying to get something called being buddha
so in america we don't think so much about buddha really mm bullet when we use the word god that means something to most people that it's it's got it's somewhere in guts it's not in your head
for me it is i think for most people but buddha moment idea for most people in the west then in asia buddha handsome kind of feeling like you know god has for in the west it's it has a kind of vinyl feeling so when
he said pranks and become a buddha that has
some meaning so
mattresses
the implication is
you can't
practice
does an issue to become a buddha
you simply pakistan's and to practice in
and that's buddha
i'm doing something in origin make something that's not good
but buddha practices oven for the sake of doesn't
that's no gaining idea you can't gain broader because
is another story
i'm
can show buddha since she showed me the her brother who is a practicing doesn't for ten calpers and didn't become a buddha
why didn't you become a bullet well he's already put it so it can't be become with me
anyway by purity we don't let me depaul in something
try to make some impure thing pure by purity when things just as they are
when something is added that is impure
so you can add something you know what we do often as go run from one place to another gaining information and in a certain practices from this learn and practice to the tibetans and from the the passion as and the pure land and have a little
basket may put all of one or tokens into the basket and we have some knowledge but that's not it
that's actually a distraction
it can be helpful because it focuses our mind on practice
but it's not a ah
it's adding something to yourself
when we when something becomes dualistic it is not pure
when something is added that is impure and when something becomes dualistic that is not pure if you think you will get something from practice exam already you are involved in impure practice because it's egotistical
that's the problem it has all right to say there's practice in there is enlightenment that we should not be cut by that statement you should not be tainted by it when you practice doesn't genus practice zazen if enlightened becomes it just come
we should not attached to the enlightenment
this is what it means by stepping up the ten hundred foot pole
you have oh i have enlightenment
turn your rest in this
wonderful comfortable place of enlightenment
but there's no place to rest there's no place to stay
can you have to step off the hundred foot pole and let go of here enlightenment quote unquote
if you have enlightenment and it won't go away so you can leave it behind
if it's not enlightenment then he can let go of that and unit to worry about it
you shouldn't have to worry about it anyway because practice enlightenment but you have something called enlightenment
be careful
you are
you can help
notice that improvement
so i understand that
i
well
you shouldn't get stuck in an okay as i am
although i'm okay as i am
you that's a dualistic statement
so the other side is you should be kishi have to do some work get busy body does it work and after you have to continue to work you can't just flowed through practice
so yes you're fine where you are
dumb and stupid him
i'm enlightened and for over you're fine that way
he could use a little improvement mean don't get stuck there
like
as long as you know get busy and practice your practice hard
no practically a home being if you practice with your whole body mind and your whole being
you'd have satisfaction no matter what happens if you don't if you only practice halfheartedly you have half satisfaction
it's practice is only what you do
enlightenment it's only what you do
it's there's nothing there
there's nothing here it's only what you're doing and how you do it
so if you give yourself totally then you have yourself totally if you're give yourself halfheartedly you only have happy yourself that's all it that's all it is
anyway
you can be taught at chips and a while ago
add we're talking about
at all
that
that can a higher
call
and david hogg said everything it
yeah that would really good thing
and
are using a medium well as a kind of work
when that's our language word means doing something
it could be called play
adventure call at play
okay now it's a love playing you liked but yeah so we just can't plan that's even better
much better
go
i a trip
i
we're doing perfect
break or when an hour
so ah
saturate
oh usa
ah
ha
mama
what are my
for being were feature the
i'm not very way
boy erased thing
so
yeah that's right
that's it so we have
well
ago but i am planning this doing all getting all that stuff together because i'm going to do this but that's okay but that did this is an idea the getting this have together is what is what's actually happening
so they getting together is the important thing
because this is your life
that's when you know
the sweeping the floor is the most important job is going to one of the best year and cleaning the toilets have vinegar
because you there
would you repeat care about near there and your hot it's such a simple activity that your whole body mind is involved in
you know and
come
we're tako je i wouldn't that was it really dark energy
the monks all day long or sweeping the grounds
can someone they do
and a member
page street which is interior she was in his room up there on the street and
during work period days and sog in the morning that i just want to hear that brooms quenched and the street and the sidewalk
because i know everybody sweeping their mind
sweeping their mind going
lawyers
the physicists three
ah
vito files with me
right
no responsibility
the
have been remotely related to the fruit and work to me a lot to do later on one and and somehow you're sleeping yet integrated it was totally that's separate from
that's right
no to keep our mind clear all the time even know it for
hum
when i was abbott and san francisco zen center you know you have all these responsibilities this coming and i it's also abbott he earned you know people who might be intentional
and i my ah
practice
i am i send my practice was to never feel that i was ever interrupted
so when somebody would call i would have given them i'm attention to implement something when have any given my attention and this when i was doing still there but i get my attention to every whatever was going on whatever was
one of my attention in that moment and then the joys and about what about the thing that you're doing now and
somehow everything gets taken care of when you give space to your mind to take care of whatever is happening and i think
if you think you're being interrupted than you're letting go of this moment
which is the most important thing
an remember regulation talking about that
the impact of wife my wife calls me i'm reading a book or something in my mind's of can't you wait don't finish but instead of doing that i put down the book and respond to her
even though i mean that want to
ah otherwise i'm just stuck in my own mind
so took to actually
let go of my
where i'm stuck you notice what i want to do
i respond to what she's asking
hum
i'm not that good myself
but
ah
it's like
you'd think that what we weren't is the most important thing
but to be able to let go and respond to what
calling her
how is to keep our mind clear
because what clogs or mind is that ego
one other as defined what are they talking about
i was thinking this is why i really love chopping carrots
i have you're doing it's impacted you have a responsibility nila
oh an airplane going to do with tablet or whatnot but when you're chopping and eric nice car
and if you're not really just the
if you're thinking ahead africa
and it is real pleasure in check
why think true
again again again well
yeah i'm in connection with that is my experience of working in the kitchen is that if i really pay that attention to what i'm doing and enough to worry about what time it is and when the beatles gonna get them
because
when you when you're not worried about it everything comes out on time because you know that you have so much time to do it and then you just go that
and it works it's like
you can tell yourself what time to get up in the morning without an alarm clock
and you will
you're faced
the district but we use a alarm clock because even so that's true we may not
happen
but if you if you know how much time you have you can they go then and just potentially a moment and came in and of them down time
must be turned
a nothing is forever i mean nothing is always true
he said
statement of lookout
that thank good that
new
hey
that's true but in the way in
anyway
have you
don't get rid of it don't try and get rid of it just simply come back i know
you know
don't try to get rid of ego simply come back to
a clear mind
but happened because there's no such thing isn't a just thing as they go to so you can't really get it out of the way
nigga just a term for
self-centeredness so you center yourself in different way
center yourself and differently if you start battling ego that's just ego battle ego so let's just wedding itself instead of fighting negro are trying to get it under the way in fighting a phantom
so you simply can pay attention to what you're doing
so when when you find that self-centeredness getting up you can let go and come back to what you're doing we do it all time and love him
we dream then we combat back with drink but we don't try to push the dreams away we're going to try to get rid of our thoughts are barrier feelings or something
so we should pay good great respect to our ego
if and great respect you can go and then you go will respond by paying respect to you
whenever you are
when you have to make friends with yourself
no know doesn't make sense because then he'd be been while when they kiss of unhappy but ah my ego is so bad
this is your ego telling you know and making it worse
hum
make friends with the ego i mean
right
can we enjoy it i do enjoy himself sediments
and then as much easier to handle know it

he's is an iron
the
petrelli
didn't we should not be fighting with ourself that's not a good a good way to handle it other ones we just can't settle in
we have this ego it's part of us and it's not a matter of getting rid of ego but it's incorporating he go
put it to work john energy
but welcome to work for
on its own demise

it'll it'll hang yourself
you can't kill him millan cat
he go
that doesn't exist
removing the next breath and said
yes that's it
wow
and you can't kill it because it doesn't exist you can only change something in sense
oh yeah yeah
that's right
make know if you may create through it doesn't exist
right now
good wine
my no easy lighting after method now people today i won't have the time
of like that
it's r l and are illusory thing it is a thin when are a loser and thing
and it feels you know but really lives
am
something that we build up
so
hum
like you know i sometimes and snicker she said this and i take it up and expand on it he said we have good and have ego
he didn't use that word is an ordinary beings but when that means egotistical being with you on use it that way we can use way
have good and have ego well let buddha lead
when buddha leads then ego follows read and ego leading and buena following
well lead lead lead good that your buda side made your induction
and then
i'm
it will come to the edge of a cliff and make a right turn and ego and trump of nicholas
that
anyway
oh grover
okay listen
when one is often an activity
project for will not be interrupted by just during it can
i remind me that way the there
well it's not that they're not there
but got him think so what is on the beach
things happen
wouldn't it be fine
i'm not there are times i disappear
let's responding well it's not that i disappear
but do you mind dropping
total doing something totally
so that there's no gap between body and mind and what we're doing
parenting just with what in i'm just has called just doing which is the same as as in body mind and breath of work with the activity so there is no separation
that's been my dropped it's a don't take it literally
it there's nothing is dropped
ego and dropped it just not there
and simply pure activity

i am
if a pure activities
the things like the not to get into the ground that seems like it's just a verb announcement
well that's right maybe they're all merge together at ahmed
yeah the by
the show judge in his majesty
nine discriminating activity
because discrimination needs divide
i can i can understand that in relation to say
eyes from the live instead
i kind of absorption that happens when you want
i got say to myself
i'm kind of make wire something hovering around town
by a few hours
and just not already
and somehow that doesn't seem the same as chat
this on my under eyes
just lost them
i almost i been sleep you wish i could do that
no no i didn't die
well don't do that
i mean
the
right
there's a dead presidents that topic as know because you're be getting caught by your activity rather than control your activity
you've been caught by your activity rather than being the boss
let the computer be the bus
so
the great that's different
mr interest me
i know when i get caught that way
i just realized the way i get for it is a hidden gaining idea is that i'm going to get the computer to make this flyer the way i wanted to be or i'm going to win that solitaire game or
you know and that's where the addiction comes in and and how i get caught
but don't we want everything to come out right
yeah
i do yeah
i think i think that a different sensors
control
with the computer it with the care
where you know it's not so much control
i'm
when i say big boss
like i'm not really something control mean
cnn but we all want satisfaction going to a whatever we're doing
course that's not gaining anything
we do my side effects i mean nothing wrong with satisfaction but
satisfaction comes
from be one with overdoing
here
yeah
the pot
the ram and whatever you're doing
the feedback
the computer actually is our teacher
the
yeah because it reflects back to us accurately what we're doing or not doing a man i get it all the time and when i'm doing the kind of like that disappear
fell
and it's not satisfying but
anyway you know i didn't really get into all this stuff but my new show
but ah
for many years i never wanted a computer
but here we are
have the stumps so we are with it
hum
oh
when we are seduced into
wanting stuff
the computer just one more vehicle for communicating
but we are for seducing us
the new and your well is like you turn it on the dancing people
i don't remember
new injury then guys doing
can you try to reach your thing is good
the other
hi
watch me watch movies
again
anyway you know weight over time
it's still at more to read more present
when a nice guy
no i'm not that banana
and you the dancing people brings up something interesting for me what's missing
i like there's one part of my mind lately to not that the end of recession
he rejected
no
a
we can be kelly jumper i am
a lot
you can get the dancing figures on the computer have anything to do with the wooden man getting up
hey can
i i had to sign up
i was a feeling that the computer
it's rather than some other unknown are better off of body and i find that this
my that money is what's working and
how's your experience
what is happening
certain party
what are high that
haha
man i intentionally
well we overstimulated our mind
a mom and
it's easy to count easier to catch the mind and discount catch the body
and the moon will become attached to them you so it the all kinds of stuff in the sahar world that is behind for attention
one of their intention
you know it's like everything is eating everything else
in this world so there are things that weren't they use our benign for
to feed on and we will english reminder these entities that are eating your mind
ah so
you know big mind
is too big mine includes our body whole body and mind
so there is a way of sitting in your computer where you have right posture
right at right
correct height how to sit in a chair how to hold your hands those are all important thing because you have to make it a conscious effort to include your body in what you're doing when you doing the computer
that way nobody is included because you have one and there but you forget about it because the mind and so seduced into the little box
put your get in the box when
the second so you have to make countries to include your body and make it all one work together you're doing this and that way you can about
a practice while you're doing the computer i am so how do we practice
in that state
the body also were equally satisfied
am satisfied
i have to town
sometimes on and that's a lot of joy
the most
sometimes
i'm
yeah the body is more present in many ways than a than mind because the my dreams and the mind has dreams within its own environment where the bad bodies here
so there's a disconnect easily disconnected so when together
and i think practice is
to always have the body mind and breath
working together
i'm in harmoniously
i'm
and then you can always be totally president
we just carried away
now we don't realize that were carried away
we don't realize
come on the disconnect you know that we have
and they we will look at the world after the desert and we see i remember the first time i came out and touch the her after product my first practice period
and
we're just seeing how the world was rushing by and how people were
in there
ah
dreamworld
it was really a shock real shock
well then you get absorbed into the dream world you know and don't notice it anymore
my response to can question have something like that
the ego in the that there's no the by me
neither you go about the by can do you
so that's why the bodies satisfied
one can he be alarmed it
yeah what the body of course is under the control of the mind now
does president follows the mind
even though it has its own responses about day basically felt as the money
and our satisfaction or over the the or bodily sad infections they're really mental
hmm
leslie questioning
about gotten on mine
if i get it
the well yeah
no mine that the recognition that what we haven't had even after i bought mine is a recognition that what we are
what are what we have seen as a hobby might not
he is what are fundamental
so he shot and carrots i think there in some way me
maintain that when we get a computer with our identity very quickly becomes associated with our mind we are
what find out we lose them
well yes is dropping your idea about ourself
i'm a built up our construction
and resuming our fundamental nature
no so dropping body and mind but they letting go by construction patient with them
you get what you saying
but that will be drunk by construction what do we have
that's actually by the walking up the pole
okay
i divided say that one thing for the configuration says
people ask what it means to practices and but no gaining my idea what kind of effort is necessary for that kind of practice the answer is the effort to get rid of something extra for my practice which is a construction
if some extra idea comes you should try to stop it
you should remain in pure practice that's the point
have our effort
stop it is a little crude but
get your here

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