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i'm certain has been the development spiritual practice with his distract is specifically and the larger framework which discussion as moved as far as
has been in the context of monasticism
as it's generally realise the
the principal through the line has been monastic practice what is it
is it something accessible to us united states so on shapes
experienced date what can we learned from traditional experienced asian countries
that is nasty way what are the issues that face us as we seek to develop
community of buddhist practice in this
general questions when i would like to do now i say
these dishes to to stay particular question you hang out
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but i think this might be a useful
we've done this somewhat
my sense is things they start that has
when the happy towers were together people are buzzing
by a myth for which process
so with that
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i don't need to start monster on then let me just start your in front of me steve used to say nothing this one on yeah actually earn as much less nice discussion and lot about celibacy and instruments use and like to hear some more on from us and also from the teachers who are having been solved one of the virtue
who's been a being in relationship and how they use or how we use religion as a path as a way to practice
ah that's not we stopped out i was going to ask a k rush you but i can
so after everybody ah
the seems that to me the american people are really caught up in in the fact that they haven't they have rights and any little sensory delight they they want to fulfill they feel that they have the right the right to do that now i just i just wonder if instead if as as culturally
this
this pursuit of happiness you know it gets into interest by the advertising media
over and over again be by faith and you have an ad campaign from bombers that says taste the sweet like
think we really am
so my question is
is this a major hindrance to developing a selfless good as practice in an airbag
sometimes people talking about compensation simple my pursuit of happiness and others wonder is that the pursuit of happiness for the happiness pursuit he coaches
i'm a mentor to find the bill arrives at my house is why they get caught doing the dishes so
i think we can piece of yeah i like to see no way that women together practice the fields that are in like a little different from in practice derelict over the next means practice in way to me that when my practice different
lay together and so there's a positive gale navy nunnery that we can practically indiana
i'd like to see that happen
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please please don't feel like everybody
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and the you're interested
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i haven't
just as place that we will track
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me with any india
i can't hear you know they're going to finish the top
let me anyone
i think what happened was we decided that the continuation of the toddler who has been extensively and that we wanted to move to this form of canadian
in getting of that
what's the best go
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i'm mostly up
interested in how fact as can support
getting too emotional confusion as well as developing
meditation practice especially
in non dualistic practice
i was trained myself carry much in thinking about that in terms of there being a boundary between myself and not of april
so
i know
no some new way of thinking about net
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or of situations are discipline that is extremely strict that would you could call a strict after
very requested very definite in practice for additional and then ah that seems that isn't getting a unit and wrapped within that they can be a hermitage is even more more solitude more ah
ah ultimately and of inside that the
i'm kind of as dollars and third kind of between that one say and the everyday world and you can take up the traditional church was people come from the outside gather
and then leave to go to the outside world and then the between the church and monastery that some other level there
a practice that this are there seems to be graduation between totally in and were and totally
our within a spiritual practice and what is what is this can lead to some the parameters of this continue on what is the importance of this continue and as is important to address
now in this country and just one of the saw it seems to me that perhaps and same tenure is within each first and then if we go without ourselves as the bio seven hundred and the monastery and you're out of the world and that this is somehow
in or model for the x level pot
go to crafts house
yeah i was a perfect location to another
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this may be out of fear but i am worth it as bomb
it was appropriate for him to imagine it had stayed in the in the minister tibet in tradition and that at some point your average teacher had sent to you it's time for you to go to america and set up a buddhist sangha and i understand that america is not to bad it's not in the
yikes not trying for granted but you have our freedom to do what you will ah in that country that you have sunk association with and please go and set up the sandwich and for you to or if there's time and it it's appropriate what
type ah consider doing sitting
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interesting feature of the amperage
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you're just go ahead and speak with you because he's going to take too long for many of us are of work on the transmission of i have two questions under not completely unrelated wondrously my like ricocheted to talk to us about on compose fourth time about main defilements arises wisdom and also i wonder if
you could talk about do kini energy and all
both maybe how it relates to that in also how it functions in a monastic semi
i'm sure it does function in the ask email six seven hundred amongst practice where and when it arises
nationalists good
cancun around here in america is to my life was
to go to form
whom you hunger
i've got a judge or target zero is
the actually by events
on
let's go to school okay right
quite quite often than the summer here is been sort of songs want to find some form
to express next step in their commitment to the widow with many times they think i want to become a priest to express my commitment to the good away so sometimes you do that
but they do that that's wonderful for them and then sometimes some other people say i want to express my deeper commitment to the away but i'm afraid of i become a priest
and therefore says it's an act on my part to express give your commitment that in some sense i will put down people arteries
that the if you become a priest to express deeper commitment in some says makes it seem better than the right person
so i would like to hear how he handle this problem because people want to have some warm to express a deeper commitment that then people who don't take that one maybe the not as good so what how do we want to do there
i guess with moment that says i'm working on to match your brand new
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authority or the monastery tradition to continue or not that the study should continue or not
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who in another world who came to practice monastery prevent to the rural of the model study that
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but
yeah
ah mind the fact that i go figure out a champion for every and that sort of the capital bitch
it's happening
i'm interested in how of monastery can be a model to the outside world as a way of living in harmony with the environment
by way of teaching and practicing a ways of restraint especially in american culture which is bent on excess
students inevitable about it
such specialized places in practice
factor
have patrols and one of the ribs i've mentioned that priests feeling special
and and lots of other things like that and i've been reading away and i found the world
as a whole to be supported
i'm an useful to to the out there and i wonder how what other people's experiences are with that and wouldn't be
so
where people in the stain of anticipates to one
very once and one and
have a chance maybe to do some of this
these things we build up in our practice that my nappy are useful
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we stamp and by read up on declaration and anaemia the necessity to combine
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practice with
wisdom and scholarly endeavor which dimension was on
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i'm just like to reiterate that simply issue of whether it makes sense in america there's a
it makes more sense for us to be
integrate sexy high guards to practice for women
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under the impression that the model three or we searched for and it was propitious not good
and that's why distribution general said directly at the improves the rage
and then handed it was wondering how and will not have mickey
we get quite a commandments and so it the be one specific thing
very intimately connected with religion so there's your some way with this new deal with the background christian ethics could move you to provide the same kind of background for gruesome as country issues and provided contribute in china
he might not gonna take a part of your question is is to the assumption yes this is good source of ethics years in japan was was be gifts are you and whether the question
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get our friends and other countries i tried to initiate was yet morning was very insightful size a guy emptiness and he apprenticed
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all right i don't know when in do that i register now to requests
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there's a way of looking at japanese buddhism as kind of a severely diluted form of the monastic tradition having dropped the than as as to learn the basic considerable risk replacing situation was pretty grim and safety and
but there's also the alternative that maybe there's actually a different model than different archetypal which japanese minutes mr ferman seems to me that that model might have something that was changed she three mother might have something to do with people like you a big show the precise union and for a sweeter
the sideshow and gender on that's not the monastic model that's coming from someplace else plague something to do i think that's the only software tradition
so i i either hesitate to look upon the japanese but as an asset natives
severely don't know do you can read them
oh well as visit one other thing was with you
it seems to make some sunscreen that buddhism is a virus
so am i die sets type terrorists used to be i think is a kind of virus than got under a lot of our skin g krishna murthy references of it i don't think references of the our founder as being monastic trying to follow the this stuff
actually mean that more later
the virus was under a lot of our skin
so is it seems to being so i l advice for me i got a big dose of virus what sets a lot of people visit years ago so it seems to me that virus results on the horizon
we've also monasteries and diego
the results in buddhist studies of adverse results in all kinds of
that what we should a working in is that virus think of our future here thing as an irish
immigrant or a car
once they get under your skin there's nothing you can do about it is as doing
and fix up into different and we live
episode of dizzy hope is called just scratch is guess but i really want to believe that we've heard a very vigorous defense of monastic mom large that something i think it needs to be balance or book or fulfilled or something but a heather
which i been in some degree the jousting expedition those rooms
my know there's one person present as given some serious attention
if it
ffmpeg yeah that's good debate has been there
i have found in my question is is right on another subject we're talking about this morning
my feeling is a the canvas good we are seeing a great for the practice in am currently in the family pencils and this was more of what i would help religious is a us was not as causes only sought ways to be a very skeptical kind of the church crashes when people
welcome to serve as they get rituals performed for births deaths and and they get some lectures on how to be good as one another all of which section and then just contribution to society in general peacekeeping in society but is not necessarily this
total rooting out of the self and the aim of a vicious actuality project has been presented to us and
but i hear from tata gary if not on and some others a way in which possibly could have this kind of nation but can you are late practice and that is to be mindful living in the instant be performing continuous meditation on the present in on what we're doing as a form of self defense
element instead of more of a hero
and my question to read put a was not in the event tradition is this is a valid form of practice a valid form of destination meditate any instant live in the president and and meditate on the the manifestation of reality exists all around you which
our first night i like my this question lot
the first few chapters of path education on get that require
i'm a grand plan but he asked about you should be fixed and that is address also to new and russia has gotten to know a son and i would be very interested in it is an initial responses to us and perhaps if you would say something about how he might go about taming the protect
what kinds of energies that you've seeing them as good as we simply
take a firm different privileges you couldn't be united in here we see is that
and in general to me today i i feel like you're a lot of professions that we can do they haven't each other
for months and years
and i'm particularly january one hundred and very grateful to have a number of i guess here and i suppose particularly the guess from the farthest wake and i feel it's a very precious opportunity for hear from refrigeration
whatever subject is dependent on is monasteries about the news on star trek for
yeah i heard of live in it's going down to what we should do what you would reject it
we at all but something else
what what i'm sorry what i'm doing our discussion today as it is about me and what we should be doing that buddhism in america so on so forth i wondered about her she's kidding
when it asked that needs something else what that might be that we don't have anything to do it
if i understand the question for its internal physical the
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that's a mr klotz we see some miles or something like to think we couldn't handle it opened
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i've written shape top just today that goals and directions practice
that i'd be interested know how a unser actually train gary bags what kind of scheduled like has now is an optional ah how how it
doesn't know where you wake up
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think a lot of the most impressive those going and pumped it yeah and then we only to that take a to water and would say i didn't know that olympic the some time so
i want to know if they included thousand safe practice and then i'd like to see how obvious that person with different
today
watching visit
my guess is nuisances need something just because i can't resist just each student and user
presently seven which to choose to bring him along san
do we use right here
and i want it seems to millionaire phenomenon arrives to the seamless when
as it were
lives using the percentage that way the and that similarly there is a mine generating view of views that corresponds to this seamless arising
and that ended the to of them
we
we live in the shadow
very shadow of bread view or
instead of an undergraduate in britain unionizing
remember she spoke with in this aspect and yesterday that came before you set of that we have an improv useless this is what i mean so i'm very
i i hunger for some kind of creative
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so some way of that i can
january an ongoing
non stopping way right you
i'm gonna cost from
right
in to tap into for me
i would say for me it's been very inspiration for here
and it's ipo myself and americans to put me through this all
samaritan found that creation natural that i hope that our educations my tolerance and stay with us and we can remember that it's creation pains that ways and somehow gave me gather more frequently
in these kinds of assemblies where this is this is really the issue
the issue that we are
moving through his created in this create richer smarter because very inspirational to get
in nine respectively form and function sound i'd like to get were was brought up without the levels up
possible for people to make
events to the community
monastic back to the lakers and letters those levels and having the construction and sentences and respect i know everything that is it's respect to world peace but in the
how to outreach your missionaries and work is or what how saga can be can be accurate or useful nationally
just ask her and then there's no shame and nine and spiritual self and when he has that and women neuralgia can do the same or even gp amsterdam a spiritual enlightenment ways to get too many
the
i think this very second
the family
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having principles and hash internet day
going to integrate them
perhaps are present say more about are subtle aborting or not seems logical important
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to learn little bit more about the heritability has a yoga with the question has dollars because you want to that he have symptoms
jonathan character and bomb children are like to talk to the large sutra a in and that's usually know that when arrested in how
what does that i'm coming into this country because the and then is by christianity much as a good islam in asia got to jump in addition probably afraid of humanities and somewhat done and crippled by confucianism issue of them
anyone were concerned about topics or teacher meetings for
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the thought i have is
that would have the served
here and it seems to me one thing that this week is pointed to his family which discuss the need for a
a an area would be built green gulch were there could be some sort of cloistered are isolated practice or monastic practice something like that
the
i think there's been a
a very beneficial love friendly
coming together teachers and older students here and
i think there should be discussion on whether at this point and we're working on the masterplan of green gulch is maybe we should think about some little monastery within green gulch to carry out the to continue a tragic
national
more limited
in an isolated way within these sort of screwed up rained doing general here
let me suggest for purposes of reference to the station where are we going to see the
would concur that simply does that voice
yeah we say and one of the says oyster we can understand the purpose of just not position when we isolated situation where some kind
if i practice will occur without so much contact with something else
is don't want a lot of definition and as what was in in category rush she's and can make it would be be a surgeon
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i think it's well not ten thirty
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proceed to do i make us all these questions up the top we will provide i'm ashamed to talk about heart sutra think that for lunch
she puts him or us usual announcement of this material has been very much and sounds of but scientists and i think in terms of it's exactly the going forward or spells we can draw miles with union world who
the initial budget question but does what is the virtue for practice of being in a relationship and that was posted in contrast to the premise about the nature of celibacy
sexual much
is anyone or teachers when everyone else
want to comment on that closed the virtue of being a relationship practice
didn't hear
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yeah and think the interested
our married priests have worth
visiting married houston
we are here is a part about as the yesterday for is what does the other side of that was others
if we actually have several currencies
knives is your business
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the
ah i used to a into being discussed in class set of treatment what i want to carry a natalie a to jack he licked jesus looked better with a lot with
the wrong what's right because you can see in my life but the priests
why you can go to right mama
he like tweet that somebody else you all right
i also from that point uni i think
they keep sucking and individually and war he loves seat for their true seriously i think the you can see high you can see how deeply human rights movement
conservative is a hastily coming from the
azalea trying to as variations with somebody else
it's very difficult to be right in the middle of a and kinase and or a completely being a long as long as that's it means a separate from somebody else where a any synthetic one we had a he alone is ear
is kick his degree
who you are what being nice baby that's kind of thing is that they would last so if you have become a priest and yeah i think could if you need that equator scripture and whatever
three buddhist teaching a swept presented to be exactly right the at all but emptiness can you settle yourself we end the south and pakistan and demonstrate human life at a good example to the
the get a job at all sentient beings and how to live in peace in hundred this is a priest missionary priest if you can come up space is real wish but on their hands in this case i think it if you
place that a modified by think you can see that this can vague if you've to you even know i can say so i can say a certain the pure central for practice i can say with my mom is but fact the and share their love to go
the point
i accept that all sentient beings a kidding nice to the emptiness to the human mess life
academic projects repeat did
what could i wanted to thank you is that from now on i think if you want to go to help a monastic drive or bullets mean the united states you can pay attention to only one side and tomatoes and is fine you cannot say some can
even or celibacy is fine you cannot stay or even so you have to bargain anyway
that's what i'm going to tell them for i plays that present it's a question
so mom is individually you have to face gently buddhist teaching the beyond you know her desire to be on your and inconvenience a theme from the desire you happy face jfk or triple of teaching is that you have to give
effect upon you up in a concrete aspect that's why that's why mentioned
but can have the other married priests
to comment
on this topic
transplantation
can he said
title gemstones rather than the pills she married prince maybe so i was going to say honey i'm very crease denied
i'm learning or
with i became a priest are expecting some out of that i would feel that deeper identity when all sentient beings that was of my intent
and i will celebrate i quit my job and all that sort stuff and went down us are and i'm sober
somehow i found that i was kind of unit or isolated the engine and it's kind of a isolated contents of this way in
so especially didn't have
later i got married
can you elaborate a little bit rain but the nature of the isolation you found what promise the source of the isolation oppressed what what were the circumstances and fantastic time for twelve years ago mostly mostly by contrast around
that was a kid
the center general to be a very lonely for it's so not only whereof i thought i would feel the most
given your sister and brother with everybody i didn't mind
my friends dropped me because i had done with strange
i will certainly drop me they just didn't understand that unless you really think from feature
course my relatives who didn't understand how to and to go on california or something
the same time to keep
so
the way i did it didn't work at least as my farts would i intend later as i did get married julie and you can eat
temperature i feel from the a more extensive related illness with old said the to terrible sense of just now recruiting some sense to me myself and these top notch you know to indulge in my energy consumption and huge monday's desires but later
i'm of to choose i'm giving away myself not on purpose just it is that bugs with my and so on and given way myself
so that is closer to the intent of what i originally hands and namely this judy percents to identity pillows
then as a windowless mona essential
there's the reason i asked for more detail as the i think it'll be useful conclusion for for us as we talk to their specific as as we can because i think you're looking what are several experiences are looking at that collectively with really enriched like the whole discussion with the for example what are the circle
stances if we're considering a cloister that will work towards creating was in the cloisters some sense of relationship with people were there some sense of companion ability
yeah i was say that i stay here test how i wish was not actually as opposed to celebrate bit for me as spending a few months india haven't tried the patch this culture is so completely energized by sexual imagery and
an activity that it to me it didn't feel so much as if i were practicing with a group of like-minded salomon's say it as hard as i did in india
and i would branch lengths at the other night that she was interested in and say i say more restricted practice i can really see the advantage of practicing with like-minded people
because they obviously bring up all the issues in your practice
and i so i can imagine doing some of the practice much more readily if i in fact had a group of like-minded people because we would say the exploring a will jointly
and i just have run into that kind of group today it's a baby in a catholic monastery don't know that
well i became a think i'm consciously and became a priest thing to be closer to my teacher was the reason why it
and i didn't understand
and the time that becoming a priest was primarily to save us into things and pointed strikes so deeply at the beginning
contessa it just to be closer to my teacher
but then as i continue to be a priest found out that that's what ones about
and
and one thing i noticed was that has a single priest as a celibate traced or whatever
because there's so many women as as diner
it was kind of are difficult to know what to do and
so
you've got very complicated around and my relationship was one of new has decreased and in many ways is what i did is i felt like i got married to clarify your relationship with to imagine she should i felt it after change
married you me
that my relationship with women clear enough doesn't quite bit
that kind of the are machine their kid quite a cleaner and less fantasy in both directions not necessarily less transit and but maybe an awareness of the fantasy was fantasy
it was was very important
and
and i'm really kind of erosion that i don't know which you know which way the best
the eden is best
well i can say one ways the right away we have to find out
i feel that joe
me the type of person i am on tap for his name's i i would like to be up in the ways you some place for the just man
and no one would even come around and i said that just security and he said are year that that's too easy
maybe someday allergies and we can hardly hear about them
seeing a very ancient and cash harry in women his practice
campbell for me is helping develop certain areas that are my sort of shy away from i didn't have to relate with members on the opposite sex and practice so i i feel that for me it's been it's been good
maybe someday i'll be different but so far it's been i think helpful
as we continue on this question whether you to next question or less the because i i hate
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oh tell when a command you now tell attachment to an honors or allows the level now his own constituency she's more love to the is in washington wizards have to know now various reasons for for vick and
come to you know really decide about the whole business of relationship of made person and monk or nun we should try to understand the attention of the founder and disregard how these categories actually developed start and the first thing to understand is that the notion that the monk is higher in the laborers and is lower which
we find it all the buddhist cultures this is not something that was made by decree of the buddha
that's a lot of thought and thought shot down to my blessings to come join us live t she let them tell a college feel like this is something that emerged to by which was made by the early monks and lay persons most and nuns and lay persons themselves as they began to defined area
roles and differentiate between themselves in the early history of the order just notion of hierarchy between monks and lay people monastics monastic my pupil now we're getting
yeah
isaac an opportunity stressed about the notion of a monastic emerged from with energy large culture a huge culture of india saudi of tubulars a chapter on i didn't do mine is weird that itemize the buddha did not order people you must become a monastic otherwise
no hope type of thing he did not make any such order to pupil chance that he has a dead didn't put it in cadiz in mpg positive social canada g canadian valencia to cheap the time and usually and kind of charities and sergeant the i should cut out corrupted about ten the and cheap on line up the your the
jimmy him and i have a lot of these those mushrooms
various people have themselves in just culture and in that time found that their felt in a state of stress and tension and conflict because of being tied to a certain home life because of having responsibility of family and children and labor at work at service to support and invite deadness innocent
social fabric found that conflicting with their individual dad version to transcendence and so what they then change the world thing i feel this way and have under this pressure to his dresses and what can i do and it was argued that if what i've found in regard to them that it would benefit them if they would become free of there are certain kinds of concern to concentrate themselves to other kinds of concerns and that is
how he then develop the idea that they could have such as such a way of living as a monastic this is how it has emerged from their need thousand of dinosaurs on sunday apple dundee now and especially to bond she don't have a simple of damaging publicity is not daunted intended to didn't
here don't a chilling not them to dundee chilling so in fact in fact it is the case that if one understands the function of student life and if one is intent on a certain type of development and understand the idea of thousand towards long term evolution and infection as an individual in relation to many it is
in most cases it will be easier to ensure you look at of happiness and they will be a greater intensity and speed of development if one is a situation where one does not have the immediate concern and responsibility for what an immediate family and immediate spouse obedient children that one does not have this kind of committed obligations is definitely enables wanted
to develop a certain level of happiness in this life more easily as a lot of jesus told you down g flood to live high on each of them are we gonna want to know the details on that long online for example the matter of livelihood becomes much simplified
and less attention has to be given to the livelihood of the body of just life in such as then if one has to bear the livelihood of many as a waitress
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the and therefore a person who decides to put their energy withdraw all their energy from sort of normal short term avenues of satisfaction and short term avenues of and short term commitments such as do an immediate family and puts their energy and the large scale development of themselves an evolutionary development using this
human life when their own evolutionary development in a lot life perspective with total energy and successfully does that it has been as door from case that such individuals have quickly and easily achieved a certain type of being and bearing and contribution where it just has come to be that everyone in their society to relate
to them began to see them as immensely valuable persons and they thought all such fear all that person is a great point of value or whatever emanation of that person their mere presence is so delightful and sure how useful i really like to be around them i really like to see that they can and can represent that to us i really i rejoice in how they are
practicing i rejoice and their type of development and dare type of way of being it just has so happen that such individuals have come to represent such kind of banners of of of peace and joy to the world and social world of which they live just as happened that way till the desktop and the market and to collected gonna happen
a lot of choices of leyland engine cylinder jesus and to santana keeping youngsters from the our patients and college has been somewhat of the alamo and contribution which is on and therefore this has happened naturally as an organic kind of evolution of those societies it is not just not been that people are those societies because of sunlight
means to authoritarian order of the buddha when they see a mom dishing oh god now i gotta do julia with a month over here and there's bad of the iraq ago creep and crawl under this it has not been open a case like that it has been that as is because of this fact in these societies because the monastics have represented impressed at all representation of a certain cool
as happiness freedom and less that people naturally over the centuries and millennia in these countries when they have met such persons they have thought all of this person is a kind of icon of those goals and i also wish to achieve and i've kind of my reminder of the possibility of achieving those goals so what i see those persons
two i want to put them up higher i want them to hear city i want them to be calm and just radiated be happy i want to see them up above the a little bit i want them to represent my own higher as so i want them to what i want to put them up there are people doing that out their own pleasure there are delighted discovering that that can be such human beings this is how it has up not because of
order people to behave in such as such a way as some sort of vertices burdensome obligation just today want san diego tons and towns
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in didn't come to the jesuits and then started gave us who develop them within our therefore another point it has been that the buddha what i developed a situation where he felt that beings worthy to commit certain kind of a waste put it easily achieve a search
stage of development where they would manifest it would become manifestations of a certain casualties and selflessness and therefore in that context ah
he didn't want such beings to be isolated from the community he didn't want them to be cloistered away from the community part of the newness of well as monasticism was that they should be closely connected to the community while i'm not totally in the world also not totally out of the world like like the indian ashram was word for the saturday types
already existed but sort of right in the suburbs near by the town where they had to therefore daily go into the town and daily gets their sustenance around the late people so the lady who could enjoy their presence in immediate presence and then she gave feedback to the lay people have some sort of exhortation and simply some sort of a presence so that
this different kind of life wire and just different channeling of life energies could be represented very close in the world but that of the world so to speak neither totally it it just as another lay person and that are totally out of it as a totally close to christ cloistered hermit but as they call it but something right in between and very close to the world and yeah a little out of
the world this was why the buddha's design of such an institutional niche for these monastics was very worked out to be very beneficial
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i was enlightened he was a certain kind of personal presence therefore and people immediately this this own presence through his expression to others their request requested him they found it easy to transform themselves into his similar type of presence at this ripple of this kind of present spreads so powerfully through the society that there's a lazy paul approach that and as the king's approach a day or so they were
wanted to create some sort of space where that presence could be institutionally sheltered and cultivated and nurtured and therefore they requested can we do this can we do this when you come to stay in these dollars if we build them and so forth and it was the people who wish to have this kind of presence living near them they can't just to happen but i did not commit in order known as austerity era do this and that they are too
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finding and wish to use their lives in certain ways this happened naturally as they've gotta shake out of the levels of development and levels of inclination of the people themselves onto the kids on sunday or chrome mckenna and too much on trust in bhutan don't use never mind need talented or july he did
you're not to attempt to and limits i tell him and as far as a differentiation between monastics and lay persons relating to the differentiation between bore dad was a non-voting servers the what i've never made any bones about the fact and irrespective of these institutional forms has developed out of the needs of the people
on the level of land monastic that the starts differentiation which who does not come out of immediate social media comes out of evolutionary stage over the multi-line perspective amongst to therefore pasa of the for possible types you can have above the two of the for possible types namely the non bought a cellphone
monastic and the bodhisattva lay person the buddha was was quite clear that the body style for lay person was a higher level of evolutionary development although we didn't that other social matrix by being land of monastic there was a level of bader inefficiency and their way of living orientation towards enlightenment there and ninety nine
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and take the case of life of immunotherapy that the buddha his team's the achievement and the insight and that level of development of a labor started with such as remote purity and there was no question even in any of amongst minds about the evolutionary stage of a people of security being higher than that many of the monastics who are not going to funds nevertheless
according to the people and their understanding in general of how they are oriented to different people in which kind of personal presence day i found more beneficial the people still as teams a monastic as a higher being with a higher bearing you get a higher benefited respected them were greatly by virtue of their
the air station those people you can including visual acuity they mature to himself vow to the monastic you might just call them and attic about their dualistic view as get an absolute hell i mean it's much love this my footnote
here's your first vowed to that monastic afterwards vowed to that fanatic and respected him by office completely laid himself at their feet as a lead person so this kind of subtlety would have to understand as my footnote but it's it's benefits and examples of images says the irony of the label to censor was one wanted to stress is that they are higher and evolution
their development recognized by the other products that wasn't even the monastics and yet within the social notion of creating instead of offices that are most beneficial to the majority of people that people respect the label that stuff for quad late person less than the monastic quad monastic irrespective of the individuals have eleven illusionary development because
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assembly of monastics and i made assembly of buddhist sutras and always degrade assembly of monastics is placed first before mention of the greatest assembly of bought a son was even if it is a suit dress in the case of the hard sutra were in fact that teaching is given by a bot a sandbar nevertheless the monastic sangha is still mentioned first in that sutra miami which is in fact oriented toward
the bodhisattva this is the reason why the monastic stuff guys still mentioned first to
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of transformation of individuals and development of natural certain kind of development within the society without the slightest problem without the slightest hitch or sort of anything going wrong or any kind of the problem taking place it was just a natural wave or ripple like a stone into a certain water develop automatically creating started kind of structures of was
as irresistibly by the power of that enlightenment for six years only after six years did they begin to develop you're to kind of counter ripples sort of cross back feedback and so forth the then created your needs to discrimination and situation would arise where the that what i had certain kinds of flaws would arise in the behavior of individuals in the black
say all this is not good this just as guess or she was saying this was not good this is that how you should behave in the future you shouldn't do like desk and from this instance we can draw a rival a rule and a lesson that should be adhered to in the future and the and the presets as a specific rulings given out by the buddha's analysis and criticism and discrimination of
the action within the society of a certain case thrown out of that developed a rule which became a row of vidalia only organic to that start to develop after six years when they're first began to be some sort of backed rebels which indicated some sort of problems that required a certain critical evaluation and and a ruling that need into lama
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one they are develop specific rulings in specific situations and specific social difficulties that sort of an individual difficulties of individuals both pictures and picture is laden and a woman where the bullet and gave shirt and rulings that these rulings that sort of as but they were added up and recorded and remembered by the people added up to the two hundred and fifty two or three or so rule
cause of the vics you order at two hundred and three hundred and fifty or forty seven rules of the picture any road our level of of discipline and then there's nobody rules with this kind of late person and somebody goes with that translators and dissolved developed as a kind of precipitation of the actual situation that developed during that next forty years from forty ones radio
one of the buddha's like to into this one you can use it in these or with done have lunch with is from lung and therefore taking the time that he was in the on the job after the buddha had attained up ultimate they of on a patio been a full liberation and cast for
from the and that world as social satire and place jill after that then the new rules were closed and the basic first sort of set of judgments instead of of boundaries and disciplinary and things that the buddha developed in those situations was can
considered to be the foundation of it was considered to be laid and the layer wanted were developed in later situations by later patriarchs and so was all took as their module what they consider the ideal way of handling a social situation and the social context and being the idea of being the way that to put out self handle it during those forty years so the basis
from which other judgments later were made of situation and context and individual behavior and so forth was taken to be that said that emerged during the put as own interaction with the social matrix during those forty years has you wanted to let two children the idea grandchildren oh yeah t and this season one is he don't have much ones double-blind to be
less mattress was done the obviously liked the idea sending them on it and there's a genial never done some poor to tangible july and it takes a about alcoholism of a of to and months to i was it as to told the delegation tool that blush it does present them in the centuries after that the fact that while
the saga has had this initial powerful expansion during the buddha's live and still there was a servants continuous drip going outward which was a continuing expansion of the sound of the monastic sangha male and female monastics through the society and the same time within some areas of society but very much those areas where they had initially first expanded their
i began to be a sense of dissatisfaction among the laity both a buddhist laity and the novelist community about the contribution of these monastics because in fact certain individual didn't measure up to what the early urbanized six had represented in them from that waste from that each where the icons as it were of this of the first arguments had been developed like a nice to put those weather
you can have maximum radiation kind of were later able to develop sort of maximum of basking in the glove of those monastic because those monastics in fact themselves develop their ability they developed their self transcendence themselves radiation poorly it goes that nice poorly they didn't really they didn't work out they didn't get there they didn't use they just just used it
the nice to just goof off and therefore there was nothing radiating into the people and people were just serving as empty icon this like is this murky cloudy foggy icon and i've been closed to them to and we have to think less of it and they began to think what my putting up this thing that is to got nothing to me just gobbling down and one march food and not really doing nothing for just as
the arrogant about so they began to esteemed institution less and less have looked for other models and look for a law look for kind of example in this question in other places this began going to happen over the centuries after the buddha had gone to not today that desire not a time changes his mother bundle
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she's really ah makita the one to group looked up to the other teams and therefore i'm now a days for example his holiness the dalai lama constantly exhorts the monks and nuns that this up to you you have to continue to earn your status is because it's never was never said by
the buddha that automatically by wearing a robe of or of the ideas you can then allows sell full scope of arrogance and full scope of i'm so great that people should have a gravel and give me a lot of stuff and they don't i read that was how i would wag my fingers input i said that will be a in though i'm a jerk because i have a robot and you may ever
daniel a national i simply become obsolete because the point is that what i've never made such an order what happened was that certain people had a certain need and they had a certain kind of a way of approach and it became impossible for them to attend a certain kind of the tail and then in fact more useful to others by irradiating and being three of those details to a certain way and therefore this naturally to
these people they wanted to people that they want to bask in the glow of these different they put them up to a certain way and they wouldn't want to karajan around the top of their head but when people start law didn't want some kind of hippie powerful will catch it was like iron and have no luminance do it at all and so then they actually got tired of it and shuffled off and so i never made an order then it should be here
held their like a prison camps but after it had stopped going so you guys and you'll get our girls have to keep it up and try out your hearts instead of for these simple as you want to be set up there it will not know when i happened to you nor should you think that ensure that there are constantly exhorts his monks and nuns in his way
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doing nothing in it and just hogging on and people were getting sick and tired of them they then developed his new ideal idea they turned you of the labour sandbar the boys have person dies it's quo but here we must not think that the bodhisattva summer was again someone who just buy some sort of automatic evolutionary development who just didn't be like in fact bodhisattva
and the did respected while just walking around the middle of worldly life just as well as to be on the contrary the labor to support had a very difficult discipline the bodhisattva vow was originally elaborated the original as such as has many many precepts as by eighteen major and forty six minor recess and in fact these residents are even more difficult to keep the money
plastic prisoners were now not easier to keep it was not that on the social levels on the level of restraint of mind body and speech they had something less two or three even though they reward about because of that higher development they were chemical up and they were asked within the mahayana sutras to maintain a higher level of discipline in fact that the denver monastics were so
we must not think that there's nothing for them to maintain and way the precepts because it's under a lot lately
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ocean is just the evolution of the society the people that there were these mirjana teachings given my on servants give it an assembly is that remained a little less well known in the early time which that direction of brought up from another realm where they had been preserved and in these sutras in those individual assemblies that would also gave certain rulings over the forty years of his teaching miami
to and these these israel but are systematically given out like one gb four five but they weren't they came from all parts of divine on the citizens and in the time of area some got and nagarajan going to starting and with that arjuna but especially by area and saga and from the soundtrack time in the fourth century of shunted demos time in the eighth century a great masters and
analysts have a minor surgery took out from all the vast ocean of my industry-driven haha this will just like earlier out of the buddha's rule has given an individual cases the monastics took out two hundred and fifty three prisoners with the monastic and three hundred fifty three ever seen evidence democratic and so many of electrical etc from a song that time to shove it every time they took out the process from the sutra and put them
in an order of system to make an easy for people do embrace except and remember and use of a of the eighteen major route vows of the bodhisattva male or female labour is that been and all a are monastic that answer because you could take both of those simultaneous action a monastic convicted greater percentage of walls levels above both monastic influence over
but anyway eighteen major was and forty six minor ones in the eventual list and develop as finally perfected by the time of changi naval just how how consent agenda at the village and lodges on italian dollars that hundred years now
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i'm grasping to not to need to do a g d j to tumor doesn't get to is not know the twentieth year and and not essential to the upper geographies foliage on whether or not however you end up for collectively and individually
whether you decide to be an important sidebar mainly a whole and three sets and what wish to uphold standards and the said the role of being laid person and a woman or whether you decide that in addition to that you wish to uphold the monastic get presets as well as the police have a present or whether you decide only to do the monastic users and two and how take up the charge of all of
beans right away and something like that then and only and can only manage about individual liberation or other what other rules whatever you do in fact that devalue and the power and the glow of whatever you do either as a group or individual depend on how much you and how intense and how clear your practice as an individual each of you one by one will be that's
still remain the central thing how you actually keep your own nine turn how you keep your own self less less attitude and view and action and behavior and speech this is what it will be the key of whatever these arrangements you decide to come up with at whatever time how each individual will turn our own heart inside out and maintain it that way this will be the key of it
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any individual who truly puts to implementation southwest does and compassion that individual whether they desire that their particular network and relativity and interconnected us and actuality with people is best served as date others purposes best served by the either monastic or being lay within this combat
within that context as well as they maintained their own inner practice of selflessness and compassion than the more excellent will be there healthy for themselves and others and that will depend upon that individuals inner realization and manifestation of stuff business or profession didn't when i got the cover
george rock and deposited into some different judaism and in fact yeah well within that those who wish and to feel and can see how there's with this book list of our selfishness and universal money and this manner compassion of the bodhisattva can best be manifested through the majority and maximum number
of people on the visible and invisible levels both and will feel that they can do that vest by being a caring as well as as have no that will also monastic commitment and living in a certain kind of meditative with and living with a certain kind of level of restraint and level of concentration of as many units can be monastic and as many as can be supported as being monastic
and as many as can glow from within the monastic news male and female the dinner for the society therefore for them to benefit those who know them and support them in fact he joined not countries are my chances are you
i'm thinking metallica and therefore such beings who goes can radiate within the messianic in journal connection and universal connection of the bodhisattva and those who can radiate within the monastic notion of the monastic gentle who can do both more than areas
gets really excellent something everyone's is carries a proud of their net one on the a dilemma is she loved them
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a same another time to have now learned learned a lot to learn today and them on boy is have continue for example that there is teaching to look long as there's a teaching that a monk monks may have a teacher who is the lay person or setback who has real realization
and the monk is studying with that one but bodhisattva as their student as their disciple even and a are a revering that want to and learning from that words succeed to transform themselves weren't you the tg emanating from such a broad and seven and realize it is still twat that in public situation where a number of mixed groups stay amongst that late
the outset of the teaching even though in general when we receive a teaching from any teacher within the asian thing it is important to prostrate to that teacher to pay homage and salutation to that teacher i initially to express a kind of receptivity to the teaching for a monastic to do to a prostrate to allay teacher is forbidden it is not exist
not to be done even though mention that monastic has to be totally receptive and totally respectful to receiving the teaching of that teacher nevertheless the monastic should not in public prostrated and teacher cash and doesn't they just have one day so much as a london tells him or love is not london to let them always so therefore he
even though to ones girl or teacher why shouldn't make prostration to express one's complete this activity and complete wish to not to resist a teaching and to receive it and fully put it into practice in that particular case the monk even though that my was to prostrate that late teacher because they are receiving some very valuable insight for their own development from the
teacher they must have to do so because the level of confused the social level of orientation of the different roles in regards to the lane people should have appropriate amount sure to look the teacher in another way and big maintain receptivity with are publicly doing that by probably prostrating to have a teacher to touch him between the reason why they should
not do so modern mythology is that this if they do it will displease delay crossover they will not like it doesn't tolerate them too much intangible clinton to my attention they will feel a whole the bugs
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there was they will say that all those mugs julius to this other lame and than this labor is going to go to become so proud is going to scold and they traveled to the mouse is gonna make everything confused about what is amount required a person or we are like this at all the other lady that will feel on some love the agenda have devalued
good luck and monitor lot of games such as undertones that there were even though this would be a case where the labor etc would not at all as sara lee get ruined are inflated by the moms bowing them and jets are necessary preliminary to tissue with their vows a genuine and authentic and transmit even though i'm much one to procreate them because they will show there
activity for the teaching they want to see their teacher is indivisible from the below which is the best way to receive a teaching because our sensitivity to the under unconscious reaction contract times reaction of the other late