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No Gaining Idea, Sesshin Day 2, All dharmas are without self

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my
hmm
and before the for i begin the talk is running as well as several vid about our practice fishing practice
does you say
it's that i don't do this
for myself i don't do this for you
i just practice for the sake of practice
and when i practiced for the sake of practice i am included in your good
who so i think we should keep that in mind
it kind of speech to have preferences
and to r self centeredness and our likes and dislikes and so good
and when we should and will we come to session we just said our preferences aside
and practice will take practice
and
wow
given that
if we all make the same effort
i have enriched are all supporting the practice of each other
so this is really important is not just my practice sometimes
i'm
when we someone comes to practice they think we're there are these people and their
doing this and i'm joining them
the death left the correct attitude correct attitude is i am participating i and my participation is what's making this work

so no matter what our position is each person when who was participating is the center of the practice
and you are making of they work
so he the have each one of us participates and practices effects the host machine
if i started exercising my own preferences then there's an effect that that has and it's a shame
who
for instance
kenyan
is just the extension of zazen
but that's an opportunity to go to the bathroom so please do that but if you say well i don't particularly want to kids kenyan can we go out like around a little better have a cup of coffee here or something that's
reduces the effort and it affects everyone else else's effort
show
are you may pay well
i've had enough for this today so i'll go home tonight or something
that affects everyone's practice
you know each one of us to be strong enough to not be affected by their
but at the same time it affects everyone
so we should be careful and don't make an effort to when we participate
the our whole body and mind into practice
and
it urges came up to feel independent
to look at that and maybe say well maybe it's not even thing to do that
so
ah
if you have to go somewhere if something comes up for you if you're tired if whatever
you should say something to the director so that we don't miss you

when i see someone's seat empty and wonder why said empty
i said you know if i know why it's empty that it's okay but if i don't know and i think why said empty and
although i can hold my own
without you
your included in my practice so i miss you
and
there's something where you want to say group effort
but it's something we all do together and
well if you have a puzzle
and you take one piece out of the puzzle
it affects the puzzle is not complete so the failure doing this altogether their practices nowadays where people just do what they want i didn't think that's wrong because you room to sleep or tie bar
take a long walk over it that i don't ever thought that that is not our practice
who so practices make a big effort to just if we want to do the practiced then we encourage each other
so messy that were altogether feeling that we're making out together and we all feel encouraged
now we need that encouragement because it's along slug five it he retired is that's a lot but
we need to encourage you to the all time so please let's do that
so a production in the world here he is mostly be worth
i'm
then continuing
no and veggies
jinja go on commentary by the sheer luck son
which elvis our class during practice period and as and trying to finish it during shushing
and and i'm going to read
just up to where leave
kenji on up to where we
architect
so
though and she says when a all dharmas are buddha dharma there are decision realization practice birth and death unique sent an absolute doesn't sentient beings so this is the experiential side of my life
and it's also called the granting side
don't
and then the second sentences when the marion dharmas are without self
inside herself
who will
you realize that
all dharmas are buddha dharma then there are decision is realization is practice the other things that we experience
so i moved here i'm
mentioned experiential
an intrinsic
intrinsic is our true nature experiential is how we experienced that in our daily activities
to use dharmas
so when marian dogmas or without itself this is called can be called withholding
no self
now there was granting and withholding granting oh yes everything you do
true dharma and at the same time
it's the same time when mary dharmas our that itself
there's no delusion know realization know buddhists no sentient beings numbers no death
and so the buddha away basically is leaving clear abundance and lack which means self and no self which means granting and withholding
lakh means the building granting means giving
so we think about life is given a been given
and death is with only withholding or life right
but the buddha why basically usually be clear and both of these
thus there are tests delusion and realization singeing page and buddha's yet in attachment blossoms just fall and in version weeds just spread
to carry the self forward and eliminate married dharmas his delusion that myriad diamonds come forth and eliminate itself is enlightenment
which is the wonders of delusion and enlightenment
those who have great realization of delusion or prudish those who are greatly diluted about realization are sentient beings further their are those who continue realizing beyond realization who are indonesian through delusion when buddhists essentially buddhists they are not necessarily notice that they are buddhists
however thing i'm actually less budaj go on actualizing good at
when you see forms are here sounds truly engaging body and mind you intuit diamonds intimately i like things in the reflections in the mirror and unlike the moon and it's reflection in the water when one side is eliminated the other spanish dark
so this is about expand intrinsic nature and experiential nature
then he talks about to study the buddha way is to in sell this is what we talked about yesterday to study yourself is to forget the surf to forget the self is to be actualized by myriad things
this is just a practice for the sake of practice when actualized by marriott things your body and mind as well as the bodies and minds of others drop away
no trace of enlightenment remains and there's no trace continues endlessly
so that's where we stopped yesterday
and today
to section nine
and when and is seems simple but it is it's is a explanations or his characters is a little bit difficult
so when you first see dharma is dog in
you might imagine that you're far away from its environments
this is you imagine and i say you might imagine because you like that
don't like into personal statements when you first need down with you
well yeah you know you think you for the you don't know how far where you are but
you might think you imagine that your fire away from its environments and i might actually you might imagine that you are far away from its environs at the moment when dominant is correctly transmitted you are immediately original self
so it's original self is important
because when you look for something
you're looking
down the road
why actually
in practice
all roads lead to hear
so
will be that means we were looking in the wrong place
when looking over there when actually we're looking for fear
so
this is related to know gaining might
because there's nothing to get
service
sessions talking about there's nothing to get
choices the first things and schedule con expressions body mind that the way following the passage to study the broader ways which i just read
presents in other words the direction of practice enlightenment is demonstrated with the principle of know dharma and the mind
so no diamond and the minds a way of expressing don't look for it someplace off
this is not limited to beginner's mind it is the moment of going beyond and we're going toward buddha dharma with the awareness that it is practice enlightenment and this has to happen
so practice enlightenment is doug in course key to prep to enlightenment which is simply that when we practice there's enlightenment
if you started run after enlightenment
you will find it
the suzuki roshi was criticised and trilogy this before
buy some of the teachers who are oriented toward catch up
who came early in the sixties
and seventies and row is urging people to
get cancer and country
and vigorous never did that and so people say oh he doesn't think about enlightenment era didn't think they'd likely chicken thing or you never touched by enlightenment but actually keep his emphasis in a practice because practice is enlightenment if you do
turn to i practice enlightenment is there but you don't realize it so they relented and send may not
that's what you're gonna get your car something realize it and something that even though you're in the midst of that selling what by the river
matter right
there
so
his emphasis on just do the work never mind about the result
just do the be in the boiler room shoveling coal ship there are my steering
i
in the cabin some
oh
so he says it is the moment i'm going beyond going toward buddha dharma with the awareness that there is practice enlightenment and this has to happen
don't run after lightman just practice
so but this very strange we usually say the first thought of enlightenment arises simultaneously with complete garbage enlightenment that's true
but you should just not like that
in other words when is it brings us to practice
when brings us to practice is the thought of enlightenment anything the start of enlightenment that is our enlightened mind which we don't recognize
enlightenment brings us to enlightenment just like water six water
fires expire
good or six good it
it's not like
attraction happens
and so
region is but she's very strange we usually say the first photo enlightenment arises simultaneously with complete enlightenment but this is that was meant here what is meant here is when you first go towards the buddha dharma you are already standing back to back with the dharma know it
you don't see it is strange isn't it why do we face away from the dharma why are we so far away from its environment which is when he's the fences so here know donna comes from outside the mind
the original path without confusion and without topsy turvy views mean that we think there's yourself where there is no so we think they're suffering is pleasure
it's boy
so when and herself is in the midst of the original path without confusion and without constitute news without increased or decreased and without mistakes there is about one thing that's lacking
to sink for enlightenment outside of this is already being cry away from the advantage of dharma so in other words
we have it but we don't recognize it
everything is here that we need but we don't recognize it just always looking for something outside
not only that there is originally that one stack of dominant see for in the diamond action there is no self no person no sentient beings now and no beings with eternal life this because it is in the primary primary to suture it has said the five scandals are all m
mt in their own base
not far not attainable as the fourth ancestors that all diamonds are under the liberated
what on earth do you seek for in the midst of dharma as soon as you arouse the idea of seeking presenting you've gone astray thousands of myriads of miles from the way
so
this is referring well
and this is like
let's go with gaining mind we think that gagne mine moved tap two cars with two television sets or be greedy but i can confidently defects but it really means
this no jima know that trying to get something that you already have
by seeking it somewhere else
so we're always seeking somewhere else for what is already here but we already have
so
and but we should be aware of the tendency of begins to say it's not going to seek for damage so i won't pursue it
that's the other side
because
even though it can't be pursued in can be found by priscilla it you have to pursue it anyway
so
it's not possible to perfectly fit with the dharma at the beginning of your practice it takes time to actually fit the practice treat yourself to the practice and that's difficult it's not a usual way
it's difficult to
not think to realistically of time
and it's difficult justice as it
it's like it
it and has an athletic component and so you have to stretch your body out little by little another to
conforms to the position
and this thing in doing this all of your practice life
and to understand the diamond really takes a long time
so not seeking for dharma is out of the question you must endeavored with urgency even sacrificing filial piety for your mother
this is their cases like this toes on refused to see his mother
and even when she died in a lot
this is a controversial
subject
but there are many you know feather one of his companions they were going to china and semester is a wonder people one moshe was going to china was dying and you should please stay with me and yet the student had to make up his mind
and going enemy is like whether you're going to china or stay us
bester you just heard he decided to go to china
so
you can complain
are you liked
but
the point here is nothing you should leaders your it
but the sky
yeah
taking the time is it is a
is a serious matters so by stealing so you come to understand that not attainment is the true face of dharma
in this way the difference between the original vastness of darkness and the guidelines for beginners is like the distance between heaven and earth in the scriptural school there's something called the abiding mind of desire when desire is good diamonds for video
from is encouraged
you know
the second law truth is is that the cause of suffering in this desire but you know we need to use desire and be used by desire
so if we use desire which return to racing mind and this is the beginning of practice
that's really saying it
design not good or bad is simply haven't used
or how it uses us
so if you doubt this big the new enlightenment is strong and big only when you get to the extreme of seeking mind you arrive at know seeking
so yes if you say to somebody is beginning no seeking they don't know to do
we have to do something they have to seek for something so freaking is that so much seeking after something but there has to be carried somewhat and
chalky money is to care a lot and it like in a load of such up the carol was nirvana
until his disciples got to the point where they didn't need the carriage anymore
and so they let go the carrots but let him just left because they said well i ain't the can't just
five hundred or five left in sandwich
so because he told him that although this was good it wasn't the end so this is really important there's no end
so we think they can everything was no in what am i doing if you're going to go you want a conclusion there's no conclusion can know
graduation
so
only when you get to the extreme of seeking mind you around but no seeking so and version i remember it and when you begin to practice you have to stretch yourself as far as you ago
therefore you must start out with great determination to practice thoroughly study with the teacher study this pictures instead of the three thousand and rules promotion eighty thousand detailed activities doesn't just numbers think it weren't
here if the thing
from the viewpoint of the original vastness and dharma
so yes however you can't see this if you even have a little seeking mind or a bit of attainment this is the hardest thing of all
it's the hardest thing about
we say that one who has addicted the power is most difficult thing to control or two
like of power is most difficult thing to like all or attainment is the most epic of intellect of
so even if you have a little seeking a kind of thinking mind or a bit of attainment so it is said that the seeking mind immediately ceases even when someone calls you don't look back and you go and covering your ears this refers to to degree records but it's too much to go
oh into that now only thus is the activity of the wonders of the diamond or to actualized
only then does face to face transmission between provision ancestors happen
you know
ah
sometimes
between teachers and disciples
and ah
a teacher will wait for student ripen
and still may have wonderful quality and great ambition to and her but if there is that
huh
my a designer
if difficult for the teacher could not just didn't even know they're a great student
and people wonder all
why ensure that you know
student is not acknowledge
but it's not like teach at once to do something just a naturally
isn't a pen a barrier
and when that's gone
everything would falls into place
so
this here it he explained from the viewpoint of your the original destination dharma
however you can't see this if you have even a little cheeky mind or a bit of attainment
so it has said it is seeking mind immediately species
even with someone calls you don't look that this is when someone has actually dropped everything
there's nothing left
only thus is the activity and the one vastness of the diamond of actualized only then does face to face transmission between buddhism and ancestors happen
the second sentence of paragraph shows the dynamic of attaining diamond and realizing the internet emerging but this is funny
and said that when dharma is already recognized and correctly transmitted you are immediately your original person that's doing it says here
but in fact there is no before or after it is taking his side nonsense show same time
the term is transmitted the self to the self and you say ah you are an original person right then ah yes but because way back to the boonies time when and are hot
felt that they have realization is a ah
a patient as a kind of stereotype
ah the fact
but i'm packing and tap him insight you know when the student is
ah
is still inside the shell but is ready to pop out
the mother hen that's cash from inside the man is tap tap tap depicted as calling your response that's when when someone half you respond
i think chickens do that but i'm never going to for to now we have a screen damaged
it's a good metaphor so taking and cellular phone show for same time when the diamonds transmitted the to the self and you say ah your you are you're an original person right then and if you don't have even a particle are seeking mind
and the i often thought in southern french so it is strange that when you don't have a conception of the self diamond is directly transmitted
i'm in recent years she say
if you say i know i am that's that where you are
if you say i don't know who i am that's the correct way of saying that you know who you are
however much you hope for buddha dharma you cannot get it as long as you hope that she interesting sentence he says i remember back when i started practicing
we we realize that
having hope was not the dharma
it's like the presence known in the opens argue whether your give up hope
but actually that applies to the practice
just give up if you hope for something you're stuck
because you think that there's something else

so with the teacher and student
when the ripeness is there in the picture about how do you know when can give them when transmission and me
it's not like there's some test for the artists but that written test
if know when the fruit is ripe it feels just right is just about father for tree you touch it it falls off the tree
but sometimes if you wait at wrong nothing will ever happen in very very little
so you have to take a shrimp and that fruit sometimes when it's not quite ripe
sometimes you will take the fruit and it ripens after a little while that's nice but there's that's good but there is also well this prudish green
but will have to pick it that doesn't make them
if you go to the store and that's what happens
this is of right then and so that's kind of that's the way it is
so it's nice when it's totally right i guess we're
remember when suzuki roshi was given his first time air and of the demir
transmission he asked me what do you think and don't depend on if you think i haven't you think about it
because he has done this before and i said well you think this person is ready
and he says well sometimes into this when the first is betty and sometimes we do it and hope
and then some tests right when it's not like the person totally enlightened
but you know that the person when that backslide you know there
getting
deeper within themselves
and that it will continue and say have that kind of face the person and we even their faith in person
people come up to the
they come up to it
that really is true
so i always like to err on the side of thumb
the person will come up to it
madam i don't think depression
the we've going to take that chance and grant but withholding in granting isn't
art
so only when you forget yourself if you get the buddha dharma is during the transported to you
when duncan sandys than to regime his master please do like she's seal of approval of so easily
it was indeed bar in nine draft up the time the body and mind draft off his place of no seeking it it just plain as a blank wall
so i haven't of my favorite little saying chair we need to practice to obtain the precious mirror precious marriage a euphemism for enlightenment
we need to practice to attain the enlightenment but the precious mirror is not something we can attain through practice
we need practice to attain
enlightenment but enlightenment is that something in a practice
that's a great go on you and basically running around like a thirsty person looking for water but now when you become your original person
what when you think you'll understand that either before taking one step there was already the original i and can play good at dartmouth a body when bodymind trista rose from the elements the first that of enlightenment is complete enlightenment
this cannot be understood that twenty or thirty years of endeavoured in the face of extreme hardship
so even though you were if you don't really know it yet
hmm
so if you look from here even a speck of seek mind a speck of thinking my creates a gap between heaven and earth so pradesh he says
sunshine was famous for
thirty gloves if you
right here right you get thirty blows if you're going to get thirty blog so either way
before you get back into the boat will give you thirty blows
i'm not sure but the story but i think
you're trying to get hold of something out there in the water trying to get back on about using bam bam
you have to fight like hell to do it
this is claimed as from the original from the viewpoint of original vastness of dharma
oh yes
my partner my commentary on touch and i'd say before you get back into the boat i giving a thirty percents and don't get rescued too soon
don't get rescued too soon
i know you know when
used eleven
ah fall off
it's really good to go all the way down the bottom
before you come up
if you get rescued before you all the way down the bottom you never have the opportunity to hit up
before coming up and the more bottom big hit the further down you go to hit bottom

the closer you are to your original self
but if you get rescued too soon
we'll have that opportunity

so and we'll have a sham yes but the next and you want get to the next section which is when you ride in a boat and watch the shore
you might assume that the shores moving right
but when you keep your eye closely on the boat you can see that it's the both and most
similarly if you examine myriad things with the confused body and mind you might suppose that your mind and nature are permanent
when you practice intimately and returned to where you are it will be clear that nothing at all as unchanged yourself
so the first line represents the principle of all donors over without self that's the second line of the can jerk go on
this is withholding

the first line represents the principal all times over that itself criticizing the view of a permanent single presented himself ordinarily held by people outside the way
but the metaphor in the boat moving or the show moving is presented but this is only a partial metaphor ducks about the meaning of metaphor is a limitations of it
no you should have a good understanding with a metaphor is in general metaphors look like they are hitting the mark but mostly they adopt
most of the metaphor is presented by buddhists and ancestors or of impartial metaphors
some of the partial metaphor express most and points but others express only a small part so it is foolish to create interpretations saying that the boat means is and show me sad
so begins a lot of trouble actually you know sometimes present a metaphor and people who will what about you decide what about the instrument you get a down the road virginia video what you're talking about so medical just apply to that thing and don't try to figure out what it mrs and mrs lot
protest just want us talking about
so
so it is foolish to create interpretations saying about means and show me that here the comments and go show are suitable and appropriate it as a crooked view to say that the body is impermanent and the self nature is permanent
no or if the body was changing all the time but self nature it's not
that's that's is a foolish because it's
it doesn't follow form
hmm
it is wrong but as it is as wrong as saying that is the charlotte moods
just a metaphor look they confused you regarding what actually is impermanent as permanent is illustrated by seeing the shore as moving well actually it's the vote this moving
so the second line thought about confused body mind which is deserted thinking
that is thinking without looking at the diamond body this is intended to criticize exclude the theory of an established at mine
so when we say the sure it does refer actually not man means
like a divine self or first crack or first cause
in dharmas
mean
really so-called real entities
you know shame when we get back to the real world at a results in
this is as measured by darkness
the real world which is that we say we fix that way this is the real world this myth but yes and no
so saying that the self-existent body is permanent in universal which is presented by the theory of the twenty five categories of truth in the shastras in the service the buttons by the sixth definitions in the party martha such a system so service average or early buddhists religion cashmere
and they had two theories about what exists that they they felt that all dharmas head reality have existence and the heart sutra says on diamonds are empty as well as standards that's the message one of the messages of the heart sutra
is that the dharmas are not
a permanent entities with service subversive violence felt that they were
so we have the twenty five schools early schools of buddhism which out argued with each other about what if that's real love is not
it's not like this one
conclusion as to what it when food is think
buddhists the are considered with things but my anna prisons thinks i'm in this way
the most my other not all my and that must not have
broadly speaking most students nowadays
but and just my type of this before because this is thinking without looking at the diner body so it's like you know i remember when i was driving up the hill when i was stolen a hill
and
the car next to me started moving up
and i said i'm moving backwards and impressive and the breakdown but i'm just standing still really kind of moving and actually well have that kind of thing right and we also think i am breed it
but you know you are and you're not breathing is just happening it's just a universal activity
try to stop it
the contract you harm
and then we say i am walking on the sidewalk
but actually you could just as easily say i am being locked
by sidewalk because without the sidewalk there's no walking
this is no subjects no object you see the sidewalk as as such as an object
standing still but when you're walking actually love it
the sidewalk is left standing still we set a bridge flows while the water the standstill
the water is standing still what the bridge was
what does that mean well when you're walking on the sidewalk the sidewalk is moving with you it's what we think it's standing still and i'm movie
so broadly speaking most students nowadays are stuck with this view separating body and mind and main content with deluded thinking to caution against such ideas dog zingy set up a section for discourse these are there are many
the people who know that mind is permanent to form parishes is if you find a way this is a view on february that mind is

that mind is permanent informed by parishes people think this way
and even though they say so they nevertheless fall into this view theorists of cause and effect talk about the comic reaction in the three worlds the teacher subscription talk about buddhist practice throughout the awesome gaia called by which is a time also nowadays there are those who
talk about an eternal soul and she's not buddhist they are stuck with opposing view this is a mistake mistaken ordinary view that separates body and mind
when he's getting at is the not separation
buddy mind essence and function
in general to see body and mind a separate is the mistaken view of people outside the way buddha dharma is one person is a body and mind the non duality of nature and torn nature damage good in nature or essence and function page informs like
essence interruption in this way if a mind is permanent for bad is permanent and if the mind is impermanent the body is impermanent because they just go together other any everyone agrees that bar his body dies and each instant many people without mind alone as in and
get your cat will be peabody
and after checking at some time
how's the sub buddha dharma is never like that when you say permanent the entire have emerged are permanent but this permanence is not apart from impermanence
because of this devoted nature of the buddha says all have the true mark which is emptiness and the heart interest is the true mark of all dharmas is empty
that means the true
a fixed identifying mark
the self permanently abides in nevada and ancestor says the green mountain is always walking a stone woman gives birth to a child in the night we have that kind of thing in the hookers are my
that was that there
once
this is the star woman things and the wooden men gets up to dance
great was just a woman until forth as the green mountain is always lucky as the woman gives birth to china like as from mountains rivers sutra of dogan
it's like a mountain and stone are like to see like permanent things right
they're really established a mountain it's establishes a mountain a stone is established as system
so but the green mountain is walking
that which looks permitted
an established is walking
and the stern woman who looks like
a huge rock is time giving birth to a child in the light
in the night means i can this
giving birth to a child minute
that which seems
established
is continually changing
so
this is impermanent with impermanence and permanent is that different simply sympathy if nothing is permanent
that's true
except that is dualistic
so you say everything is permanent
now it's true it is natural because you just have a half the equation so if you say impermanence you also have to pass a permanent so true impermanence it was beyond primitive and impermanence
otherwise we get stuck
so have ever people outside the way say that there is one permanent thing within the mountain of five scandals forms feelings possessions malformation from consciousness and it presides over myriad things
that's come up man
batman and dimas
in your vagina in we must be back home he's lucky at
practice understanding
it's that
the beginning a placebo hundred thirty versus says
ideas at man dharmas meaning a source ah and
like a deity which is outline and dharmas which is things
as permanent
it's just the idea is that match the reality is just an idea is it just ended but they don't match there's nothing that matches that idea
however people outside the way say that there is one permanent thing which is at month within the mountain the five scandals which is dimas
can it presides over myriad things that's a like a deity this isn't given mistake it's already a greatly mistaken view when you look at the for lens and five divisions of the body there's nothing to be recognized as odd man or a divine self or anything like the form itself
if you say that the surf is universal permanent and one the body that comes from the south the be permitted and have
however the form of the body is born and dies every moment and keeps moving without ceasing even for an instant
the form of mind is said to be born and die fifty times then the cycle of a day and night
that's just a number right
people ordinarily think that their body and mind our permanent because they use them continuously all their life
so we sent my mind my mind or my buddy but my mind is changing fifty thousand or whatever the number is continuously there's not the same mind even though it has a reflections of a similar mind it seems to be saying and the body same
so if you reflect on yourself intimately what we call self mind and self nature parishes in each moment the self mind in the self nature are annihilated when this body is destroyed there's no place where the so-called divine self about the notion of the divine self is criticized in many suitors
and commentaries compared to them the texture is short that what go insane is profound
so the last sentence mentioned where you are
which is the backside of this it means to me around a white and eliminating inside
if we turn around and see what itself mind when yourself nature there is an addiction of particle of anything like divine sell or anything like criminals there is only my consciousness that corresponds to the power of action which is not staff even for a moment so i buddhism we talk about minecraft
we don't talk about how do we don't talk about the road but on the other hand that's that's
the subject of buddhism
but on the other hand
if you are self was seriously denying that there's a problem
so
the second sense says mary of diamonds are that self means that myriad dharmas have no self yes now declare that we don't himself as myriad damage and without of we are without self in this way because we are nothing but viridian dartmouth
how can we be up a merry diamonds don't have itself
and now even if you understand the principle you need to have a great capacity to be free from the dualistic views of annihilation and permanence and really utilize annihilation impermanence this is tricky car
the view that holds in heaven and earth parish isn't a viola annihilation
the view that holds that heaven and earth continue to exist river is the view of permanence
the permanence and dilation or extreme views better
denied no way in coalition and some middle way and between permanence and annihilation
it's called thus
it's called
adam it's called me the way transcending dilation and permanence so we didn't know concentrating things here
the use of annihilation and permanence are not necessarily invalid
so here is saving himself
seven or function in two ways and would not be maintained apart from this
those who fall into either of these years goes against the true value dharma for this reason to maintain the self beyond these two views using them truly you're not getting stuck to the other one indicates a great capacity
annihilation and permanence and left and right of dharma just what you are so annihilation and permanence have to do with person death
basically
so when you die cause violation or you live forever
but of these views are extreme views which are a duality so what's the real thing
where's the real
dharma
which
includes these two views
but doesn't get second you desire
and so if you're talking about heaven and and
heaven and earth but that's a kind of duality right there
and if you deny
ah
divinity know what are you talking about heaven for
when should kind of know
can an interesting field
to deal with

the actually is my hand have some aspects of my hand and buddhism think in terms of do this
actually
and some people say by anna buddhism is can the
religious aspect of bulletin if it in terms of
yeah being an an edge
he's kelly
avoid falling into the volcano
this of divinity
but
understanding all around the edges of
say what is not
what's not there it's very interesting
so that's kind of with this is about
and then
unless we get you there
what i'd point i have a nice
note of my aunt
marion damage without itself means that marion dharmas have not felt yes now let's put that we don't have himself and his a diamond or without show we ended up shots initially marion dharmas are taken up to show the principle that herself has no so to self business
south means that there's going to be yourself if otherwise it wouldn't have no shop you can help you about myself that i feel about yourself
so is self of yourself and the no self and self
that even if you understand the principle you need to have a great capacity to be freed from the duo has been views from annihilation of permanence and really utilized in violation and permanence so to be free from it means that to get away from it but to use it and this is
what i recall the thief writing that i'm
lacking to see off the horse stealing the thief course
stealing in short run away with this the source
because you're using that which is stolen
that were true benefit
never mind
the
writing is worth