Genjo Koan - Section 10B-Part-2

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Nishiari Bokusan commentary, Sesshin Day 4

Point of non-duality, Zazen-discrete moments in time, Time as Discontinuous

 

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this is the fourth day he never turned up with this is the fourth day of our five days machine which ends or spring practice period
and
for those of you who haven't been here
i've been
know glen
i've been talking about
tokens the dog is edges
ginger go on and and i've been actually
commenting on
missionary book or sense commentary and duncan's angie's kinda gone so the three of us talking here and i'm doing this selection so
so far so good this is difficult target zingy is kinda cool and is difficult it's not difficult because
and again
actually the game's presentation is quite straightforward and clear from this letter minds
our it is hard for us to get our mind to
open up to non dualistic way of looking at things
because we are so steeped from childhood
later childhood maybe into
dividing the world
into this or that
an italian speaking although dogan doesn't ignore the snap
a speaking from the point of view of non-duality and
it's very hard for us to logically understand from the point of view non-duality not because non-duality is not logical
this visit our logic doesn't reach their
so when we listen to the again what are you saying
we have just be open
if we start arguing with it we lose it
but then you actually what about my view
yeah well
it's okay to help your view
but from ancient times
all the teachers have said the only way to understand the dharma is to let go of all views
simply put aside all views and open your mind
then you can
i hear the dark matter whether you accept it or take it in is another
matter we say you can lead the horse to water but you can't make him drink
a mission that an admonition i'm just saying that is difficult and why
so i've been talking
to
commenting on the sharing book or sense commentary and dog and veggies can joke on so when you get a dog in schedule on
as many sections
i mean depending on
how many sections and as
fourteen sections
and each section
is looking at the same thing from a little different angle
it looks like disconnected that sessions
talking about things about the dharma from disconnected sanctions but actually they all are adding up to one view
the different aspects and one thing so what is the one thing
simply put it down as it's always been
dogan is not adding anything he's not taking anything away you simply explaining it from his point of view of non-duality
hmm so come
ah

the eventuality is
the essence of our life
the essence of our life is really a dual
another was before
one thing is divided into two
it's not door
so when we do we have certainly whole life
where are we talking about life
but life is
has no special shape or form
and no special shape or form but we'd look at the shape in the form of life is this is my life has the shape and this for your life as this shape and was born so life has shape and form but actually life is formless
this is the fundamental understanding that life itself is formless it's called emptiness
oh aspects of life are empty of their own
inherent nature of their own be fundamental
my understanding
but we divide life into many
forms fundamentally we divide life into two forms which are birth and death
and these are the two major forms
that
caution to dualistic understanding
but
enlightenment is to the realization that birth and death and just ways of looking at
this former thing called life
so we can look at birth and death for many points of view and this is what don't get is doing is reading it from this point of view from this point of you in this point of views
to look at what is it really
when is it really
we everybody has views
hmm and
some views are ridiculous so amused look like that may be right
depending on how we think about it or how we want to think about it
so
and again in one way is talking about the land continuity
of each moment
we think in terms of the continuity of each moment
usually league in terms of today what are you gotta do well i'm gonna do when they did yesterday that a little differently and then tomorrow i'm and this law continuity do what we call our life is continuity that's the way we think about it low
a one day i was just sitting down on the couch
for a long time destinations in particular my website what are you doing
what happened to the continuity of your life
the
have you know when the children of 's instance see their parents got as us in
they can bring up this question what are you doing you know usually you're making dinner you're going to work and were you doing you you stop the continuity of your life apparently
and they don't like that
and we don't like it when the continuity of our lifestyles
sometimes will be in a
situation with a group of people and everybody's having a hard conversation you know and for some reason the continuity of the conversation stops and this is embarrassing silence
why are we embarrassed
we've we've lost their
the continuity appear and we dropped down to the reality down here
and we can stand the reality that here because that we've lost the friend
so ah
zaza new courses
taking each moment living each moment as a total moment
total moment
and
i don't want to say disconnected but disconnected moments
who
discrete moments and industry industries the right word discrete moments of time donuts is being his time and time it be
and so we don't say time is being with a time flash be
because there's no no division between time and and existence so we talk about existence existences will in time
will we take my time time only exists as existence so when we talk about death
it looks like death is cut off from times
some death has cut off from time when is just that continues and hopkins seventy continue without time
but we think also that time moves
that if one way of thinking about time dogan has a whole classical about how about time in ways that you never
the devil your mind
the same time goes from prison to pass we think the time just only goes from past the present within time just passing by
this is just notions built on the way we orient our life
everything that life becomes death
this is the notion
that we know we speculate on without really thinking it through dogan has filed through believe me
andrews up aspects birth death time and being that i've never occurred to us
but which we true
so
suzuki roshi in one of his tux talked about
the
the movie and the screen and fact about this before
life is like a movie projected onto a screen
the screen i would say is called life
we have to divide this note these elements in order to talk about them it's all my piece but noted to talk about it we have to divide into pieces so fills the screen and then there's our projection
life is or what we call life is really our projections
we think of something and then we act out
sometimes we hiked up before we think that fifty
which can be either that or not good
and we're stuck is going to just act for
but sometimes we just act before we think
lance
we dream life for human beings is is because of dream life
the the beans and we even emphasize that follow your dream isn't the american way follow your dream put the american dream what the heck is the american dream
the fall of the american delusion fish
in which means more and more and more how can i get more and helping you look and if the economy drugs
so i lost
but anyway in an to go there
that's a whole editor
but so we have the screen and the screen is formless so be because never noticed this one is blank screen and we project our movie
to the screen and we each have a different movie
and so we are aware of the movie
and we live within the movie
but we're not aware of the screen
because the screen covered to bill becomes the whole screen
so tokens as each moment each activity covered the whole screen
every sequence covers the whole screen
but
and we see it as can as a continuous story
a continuous doing but they continuous story is made up a little pieces
little pieces called friends if we look at the movie each
the movies is composer display frames
and each frame as a little different move the little river
but when it's running at a certain speed it looks like continuity
so this is what we call our like i'm like is made of to sprint
moments
and so dumb in you say
look at these discrete moments pay attention to the discrete moments because each discrete moments covers the whole screen
each discrete moments of your life covers the absolute life
of the universe
so we think auditions is just my movement
but here movement this my movement is supported by the whole universe
this is a time was act
because we take up time as just moving but actually nothing goes anywhere
it's just an idea
if we look at time as moving
then but time is movies and screens
of stillness
the screen is totally stills and then we project the movie and still screen and we don't see the stillness of history we only see them movement of the movies
time stands still
but we divided into various sections
one o'clock two o'clock three o'clock
so this is made up time in order for us to
and handsome handles and the movement of life
and just one way of orienting unless around time which is really not moving anywhere
this is god's eternal time time which is always just now
if it now battles
at three o'clock we say now and for thought we say just now
and it looks like now is moving
but now i'm just now
so we see
time is moving
oh it
we're just moving on the face of time which is that movies or maybe it is moving
it's moving and is that movie is going says life but it's not going anywhere

the story related about your wife in your house that example of some condition response to another to have is continuity this movement and then like he said over ago about of service or a silent a conversation
a had drops in you're sitting on the couch and stillness but she's a direct
contrast to this condition we have got that so about
so how it that people get
in addition to the this continuous this and and have discomfort around still this because our life has to have meaning
and the meaning is in what we do and how it connected how we connect the dots over past with our present and future
at sitting still seems like doing nothing yeah seemed like disconnection
so we've put a lot of people in institutions
the
ah the people you know that we come to a simply sometimes when we don't want were driven by
continuity instead of driving continuities this is so important point
let's we get into the
step on the merry-go-round the merry-go-round just you feel your memes
sometimes we reach up and grandville gold thing events the breath
token
everything oh boy now i get a free one hundred but it's still going around the drugs
and somebody's about to stop this world let me off you know staff the merry-go-round in libya
difficult ordination
it's just too many of our nation is
let me get off the merry-go-round and listed under a merry-go-round

there is no time how is it zoo is no plans of epic as if those full-time of tough
time is not necessarily movement
they might be but times than my question is if there's it
there is well what if you say whether my they had question that and lane i asked him
good
can you check the back to against
if it raise up describing time struggling well i don't have that with me but it's at i can do that in my head i'd have to kind of know like make it is is a bicycle
in in in the show get up
being time eight times
he's not continuity imply and yeah your karma till in if you have to know if he not imply that the idea of karma will come
cause and effect go
yes continuity is a current chromic activity carmel similar means a volitional action
and you say cause and effect
karma is an action which is a creative cause which has in fact which you called follow
so a coma father cause and effect
but the our life is the karmic lives so we say
are you deliver a life of karma or a lack of vow
lack of karma is volitional action which comes which is the actions of a self
we usually means self-centeredness
doesn't mean band just as means an action is based on the notion itself
let a vow is is
and actions which are based on
the practice of a buddha centered orientation
this garden is karma there but it's not the same as ordinary com
the puzzle
such as i think neal is my i think that you know those trucks time with pointing at was well she thinks i think she's hearing you say there's no such thing as continuity really so that's how can contact work how can kind of results work i don't think you're saying is no such thing as to know
same with runs the adage is very was thinking innocent way as what are you think say how are you thinking i was a vocals
i guess i'm putting their simplistic ways
if there's no continuity each and and actually left me something that that point that's true but there is continuity
this is an interesting question
there are discrete moments
which follow each other count continuity past and present and future
but at the same time as present and future are discreet
moments
so continuity is our way of putting it all together
but
the moments themselves are discreet and
ha ha
cutting off karma means not me not allowing past present and future to line up in a series
you can know the words and any one moment you can stop the momentum of karma
and turn into different direction if it were not discrete moments he there will be no change
the only thing that keeps driving the momentum is habit
so called
we don't have to follow the next where you can just stay connected with the bell rings do you can just stay here but we should know if you have to leave because
we we will to continue this in a certain manner
but there's nothing stopping you from just stay here
because moments are discreet you can decide anything you want and changes than she would i can't change it because i'm driven by karma that's right the reason you can't change because driven by contract but you can change every moment is discreet and independent and does
not have to line up with the next so-called moment i thought
okay so that's an amount of human behavior won't go to thinking that nature nature is that karma is left is only
a human
good karma only applies to human thoughts that nature
cause and effect are naturals cause and effect
our hands as is is within nature but karma is a different kind of cause and effect which is caused by the way of thinking and acting only applies to humans than the by the dogs
so in nature or the is is a continuity and was that continuity there's also a sweet bonus yes the tree you know
and talks about this when he talks about firewood an ash firewood is lived in the diary position of firewood as isn't a diamond position of as we say as flight when when it burns turns into ash by but fire with fire and ashes ashes
let me explain that to you
less than thirty and explained it to you definitely
he says
go where there is an ash and ask right now you have a very fluffy body
i used to become a firework
which was very solid inflammable and put it into a fire you got very little by little and got yourself to where you are now
do you think the ash will agree with this it will certainly require nonsense
i've never worked i've never met anyone called fireworks
so in this way and the view that five hours before an ashes after his from the perspective be outside
neither which outside binge viewing it rather and being it
so the ash itself is not concerned with it
so also there was something what's called a tree
and then somebody came along and headed down and then put it in a mill and it was called lumber and then
somebody
cut into smaller pieces and said this is firewood and then somebody put it in the oven and said this is a fuel for fire and then later than even in the fireplace but that's ash is no work in an arena so each one of the
those activities is totally street
key know there is continuity
yes there is a continuity from one thing to another but within that continuity each moment is totally discreet
so you know it by things
you were once
an ape any kids he came with an ape
i'm a human being and an ape
will we really look at it you were once in ape
benjamin though physical activity or felt that as and less and
to understand
so it's this christmas but not separate snapped separate
it's the screen have that's right it's and than separate but not separate from what
that's right nothing is everything is one piece
that's all one piece that's the screen
the only forum for the movie on is always like different things but it's all the different expressions of one thing
nice called discrimination
discrimination is taking one thing in dividing into little pieces which is okay that's that's how things exist discriminated but will be lose the sense of the oneness of things because of the discrimination that's the point that's the whole point we lose our
bearings because of discrimination for less there was a
discrimination you know start discriminating readers for sense of the whole this of existence
because we're stuck in discrimination
peter
so when are you think that this might be that discontinuity and wholeness or there
you see to surgery forget about homes as their offices the throne
the term or it if we go the other side like the backside of
and we'll see the front side effects as we lose ourselves okay so let me read you dog infringes
beginning of ginger for
he says when all dharmas are things basically aren't wouldn't i met their own decision realization practice birth and death buddhists essential things just as we see them
continuity of and discrimination and to listen to reality when will we see when we entered when we have enlightenment we see it that way that's one way that we see it
just like this
when the myriad diamonds our that itself that's the screen
that's when no self
when married it as evidence out there is no delusion know realization know buddhists knows engine gave them birth to death those are the two sides that you're talking about
one side is decided country is the side of
discontinuity
then but the good away his ep clear both of those
abundance and lack abundance means continuity like means discontinuity
this debt and thus there is birth and death delusion and realization and things just as you see them never been but the way you feed them is different than just seem just being stuck on one side
you see the warp and woof
when is the screen and the movie or the warp and woof
if you just have the word it all falls down we just have the movie doesn't work if you when you have the horizontal the horizontal is good that's equality
differentiation so equality and differentiation that schedule corn basically the oneness of equality and differentiation is ginger fella that's what he stumbled up through ethical
peace
the equality of oneness and differentiation this breed is lenders the movies differentiation if you only stuck on one side that's called delusion
so we live in delusion
but to realize it is to have enlightenment within division

the a slugfest the and chutney didn't get means
just what i said

say allah outcome it's about this heavy is why is about being present in reality
being present in reality without
falling into illusions about divisions
hi
if they are question
i get more perplexed look elegant because i i don't have any experience which one he has had a
i've seen both of these aspects and fucked up and then that's just so next meal suffer that than the head and heart and i wanted so what has this year suffering that's the route that's you know that's the point is if you want that experience you have that experience
would you like to have that experience i don't know
when you don't know why don't you know say has anything yet so yes has wish i had coached yes
he then sit doesn't that's the meaning is as in
the talking about it that's the meeting of citizens and that's what we do it
that's why we do it we don't have to talk about it sorry
thank you
this is my mistake on purpose
just said sensitive that's what it's about it's about one moment when dharma one time so i'm being totally and one with time and this moment without any interference giving up suffering a
yes thank you think to the question great
austin
helen
the like mentioned really i
see how to speak up really the so the it says it early childhood that's modularity averages well before yeah yeah there's a time you know when born will not yet in the world
so we have yet to a undiscriminating mind
my question is is there a place it raise children to cultivate
and i hope so
the phone description to train from
get cold
the cheering the world you know
we also say like of hope and just do something
bottom
even though that so secretly we should i give up hope
their rates cultivate help childcare is yes the best ways to
cultivate your own mind cultivate cultivate your own maturity and that's what children will respond to
you can tell him this and you can tell them the
but what they respond to as who you are just like a dog
mary
the diagnose you know this person but because sensitivity and children have the same mind actually because it's a kind of isn't that there's nothing interfering with it
directly perceiving
so
after a certain point children and just directly perceive me they know you better than you know yourself
so you'd better be careful about how you take care yourself how you razors erasing yourself all the time and erasing yourself with that was in the ways nice and children when you're young because here if you are going up together
and yet more flexibility in your mind you it's a formed
so anyway
it's really up to it is up to the parents to
to take care of their own life then the child will grow up at him the things to tell them you know challenges when you think it's the truth
but you have to let children making your own mistakes and you know
the the three stages than the more than that but there are three stages what is the child grows up and then the jan has to leave
and say i'm rarely get outta here and then make their own way
that interference and then they go through the hard knocks than they come back and they appreciate you
and hopefully

but there they're probably a lot of people you probably know how to raise children were the me you know
but
this nikes and a great job
there's a lot of great children in this community because actually despotic wise here yeah i just was thinking as looking around the room and thinking just
you're a lot of really mature children yeah because a mature people mature to get on it
well also because the the parents have not stopped maturing
they are not reached a level where they don't think when this is good enough
and you're willing to learn from mitchell and his and for their elders
yeah

the familiar things here the luxury of the president of to

beans and tofu
this is the principal them thoroughly experiencing one done can be understood in the example with beans and tofu
from the total point tofu makers point of view beans or boiled and turned into tofu
it appears that beans or before and total after
because dog and mrs a firewood and as she says it looks like firewood is before an ashes after that you can just say firewood with before and ashes before i can find would is after which it was that crazy it's only crazy because of the orientation we haven't whoever you think
and our experience and when we think about our experience
from the top makers point of view beans or boiled and turn into tofu right
it appears that visa before and tofu with afterward
but this is a perspective from outside
that's not the way total thinks
you say to tell from your former body was a hard material called beans which i boil ground and strained and hardened with nigeria nigeria is something that makes be makes the hard and now you have a soft body with
rectangular fish so different from your former body
then total would say this is nonsense
totally can never meet beans again beans or beans tomatoes topo it is not that this turns into that
but there's only one direction when at one time there is only one a new any activity at one time so the life of beans is just beams with its own experience is only before and in some future
this is totally independent and different
did someone asked in its own future
so things against target was doubtful in the same manner is not that the a son in the former life is no born is a nice son although sometimes i think that my son very encouraged my father
hydrolysis or and i can't help thinking network
all damage or like that this is the actual invasion of undivided activity birth just birth death and just death and birth and death never oppose each other
applying this principle to the relevant or daily activity you may be calculating how to do this this year and next year you become head of school at sixteen but what's the use of it however hard you scheme just may not come true we would rather and every moment to
moment just acknowledging that today is the only day just lazing on t day
your endeavor and endeavour you endeavor and endeavor and when you are exhausted you can go ahead and die
as long as you and every completely within your endeavor you will shine without trying to shine in other words if you just do what you have to do without worrying about where it's going to we're going to be how you gonna get this you just do it you will shine
and everyone will just appreciate you like crazy
a sweet cake
a painting by me a painting by akio some famous painter who are very invaluable even if it is left alone on the shelf a painting by a mediocre artist will be worthless even if it is treasured in a temple boxes into or king kerry with
in this way each person should just endeavor evaluation will be done by others you will not need to strive for achievement in order to receive recognition this is like the president next term secondary would be to work on what his legacy is this friendship
he should just do what he has to do and one of the problems we have any way
has a sweet cake does not fall down from heaven no matter how much you wish what
but it is commonly said god of fortune collecting with empty hands new years eve
in this way normal everyday behavior is essential
as long as your daily behavior is correct you will receive a good result without effort and he probably a time in this way you should guide yourself to get within the course of your ordinary daily life so when his guidance for yourself is to endeavor and each
moment without ignoring or obscure in each moment this is the diamond gate of the mind of great ease if you look for the minute ease at ease outside of this it is not the boot way to talk about before and after his the views and when i send away neither fire when anish as before and after
to we just safe as it is
just do

jake
ah in the just do it
it seems to me something's missing math a skillful means passion i see a lot of people just doing our best time what he means well that's right so what's the other repeated means not doing something
to make yourself famous not doing something to gain some kind of recognition not doing just doing the test for the sake of the task
and just be compassionate for the sake of compassion not to get something from it
if you wanna get some the room that's called thievery
the or
but
just do the thing when the think of the thing
you'd be compassionate
when you give to charity just given forget no string attached
you gave her a gift
well where's the connection with passion and just doing the fact that secretary
that's total compassion
just there is total compassion
and my i asked on nothing behind it
nothing behind the book is discreet
yeah the street
he said the screen discreetly as office free quotes it's not one of the other
it's because your action is is based on screen
because the screen doesn't want anything
katie
as
tbf access
rare s and it
and compassion the rise of i guess what is of
that origen says that's right so just doing it for myself let's say has a picture of
it's a different kind of that's correct has been and it's left for me and his math for you is just compassion
the safe
carbon fiber from belgium
the subject i noticed that when i'm wanting to of how close of demands of something where there is only have i missed the mark
and i recently discovered this is right for us something that's a long time other tape for a recently retired have a lotta turns on my hands so off and i'm wanting to be constructed and do things in a protective brain but
but i know that when i just kept up having to do something of real effects something demand for more than of myself and just and basically over
children on my nature to to my own the actual that it's i think like somebody for some pasta that just being present their everything has it's own accord and compassion as i'm just said will rise and
as i don't have to do anything
yeah and i liked that it just so much more failure
yeah at the capitol
just that if interested in the reseda area yeah
this last question everybody likes are hurting us
yes
the sheriff says
when it for its school he is been
he called it undivided and kid you not discontinuity
i was try to yeah that's right yeah it's just so one thing so i'm saying
those all space and time
one thing convinces covers the whole universe yeah
and within that force isn't time is also how to illusion
everything's included
so ah
leaving clear to teach us that
he was keeping clear are living and everything's in that to get stuck in one place to another
not to get stuck on one side or another leaping pyramids of duality
and is stuck in eternal isn't nothing gets stuck in
annihilation
or even discontinue continually ruined is not to get stuck anywhere he only one said
but freely used for to set
without getting stuff
thank you