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Rohatsu Day 7

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i'm gonna do today to get damaged areas where the morning

today is the last day of our seven day
roy hodgson sixteen to is
ah buddha's enlightenment
commemoration such as a shame that we have to commemorate shakyamuni buddha's enlightenment in a problem for usually on december eighth
the recording to our tradition
and
so we've been sitting from five in the morning till nine
something
nine ten
how every day and
so today is the last day and haven't dated we have a the ceremony for she shakyamuni buddha and
the
so
don't we also had a
and december third or fourth we have
that the annual memorial service person to kiyoshi shall we do both them as with the same during shushing
and i've been using a text or a talker particular she's
yeah and commenting on it and today i'm going to ah
i use a talk of figure yoshi's
that comment on it about dumb ah fishing and enlightenment
six are appropriate for it

so
in this talk
hiroshi
talks about
ah
after says she
what how do you how do you practice after the machine
choices and queen on
that's daikon a know the sixth ancestor said to dwell on emptiness and keep a calm mind is not does in
he also said just to sit in a cross legged posture is not then
sorry
at the same time i always say to you just sit
if you don't understand what our practices and stick to the words you will be confused this is when the biggest problems we have you know people stick to urge
when you read something
you have to know how to as our
a circular she says read the other side of the page
we say read between the lines
so if you don't understand what our practices and stick to the words you will be confused but if you understand what real event is you will know that the ancestors words are kind of warning for us
no are says she now are associated is almost at an end
and soon you'll be going back to your homes and becoming involved in your everyday activity
if you have been practicing choose us and you may be happy to go back to your everyday life
the
i think everybody here is introducing think

you may feel encouraged to go back but if you feel hesitant to go back to your city life or everyday life that means that you still stick to save them
in other words i wish the sistine wasn't over it
as people feel that way i felt that way many times
and i of hate to get back to
the world out there
that is why this extends sister said if you dwell on emptiness and stick to your practice that is not true says him
i remember after the machine
what answers a as she would say
ah don't i just go to work tomorrow
don't think about i just don't seven days and sixteen
just get up in the morning go to work and
that direction
without clean or without holding onto its some feeling that you have and sixteen
without or i'll try to hold onto your samadhi
i just wake up with whatever
feel you have the morning
and go to work could go about your business forgetting all about what you did seven days what you did yesterday
when you practices and moment after moment you accept what you have right now
in this moment and you are satisfied with everything that you do
because you just accepted he don't have any complaints
that is as in
no complaints just accept everything that has as it is
because you just accept it you don't have any complaints that is or them even if it cannot do that you know that that's what you should do
sitting zazen will encourage you to do something else
just as you accept your painful legs were sitting you accept your difficult everyday life
city life may be more difficult than uses in practice says as and practice will encourage you he has to have more difficulties
but i think what he means is to accept the difficulties that come to you
in other words whatever comes this is still doing that them if you can do this
just accept whatever difficulties or whatever problems face you
if you understands us and in that way that is that right understanding
if you come to have a real taste i'm sure the a taste of real practice especially in this certain day sitting and then return to your busy activity without losing the taste of practice that would be a great encouragement
some people say well what can i bring to my brat what can i bring to my everyday life at it from zazi him
well just don't stop setting
considering doesn't necessarily mean to acid in cross-legged position
true sitting it should be accompany you everywhere
should be your mode of life if to city is your motive life you won't really have any complaints
no matter what happens
because you can accept everything as practice when you accept everything as practice
hey shep during a point of the pure practice
ah you can deal with everything or anything
this is what is a cuter she means but it wherever you are you will be the boss
it doesn't mean that you boss everybody around
simply means that nothing can turn you over
when you practice real practice during such sheen
oh hardly accepting everything that happened then this would carries you over into the into your daily life and this is the attitude that you retain in their daily life his practice
haven't you accept everything as it comes to of practice
when even though the yeah big problems they're not problems in the same way that problems ordinarily become problems

so he says even though it is difficult and even though you are busy you always have the taste of calmness in your mind that because you stick to it but because you enjoy it
hey don't stick to your practice
you enjoy your practice and you enjoy
yeah there's some deep joy that
hi we have
it is not dependent on circumstances
usually joys the opposite of
sadness or
come despair or
that bad feeling
but this kind of joy enjoy that is not dependent on circumstances it's just always there no matter what happens and is the joy of the acceptance of everything they open mind to open heart
and this is what is our true nature somebody asked me what am i going to experienced by to nature
who experience a true nature all the time
but we don't always realize it
it's not something that you can separate out from the rescue life
here's a difference between sticking to it and enjoying it
when you enjoy it you don't have to stick to it
so if you have a real taste of practice you can enjoy it all the time incessantly no matter what you do
so it's interesting how do you enjoy yourself people say but please enjoy yourself you know have a good meal enjoy yourself
go to a movie and enjoy yourself
what does it mean to enjoy yourself
the without any pop but without any
ah
toys
no toy enjoyment
to just enjoy use herself to settle and herself and to enjoy the self without any
ah
allusions
tessa to enjoy yourself and joy is that means to enjoy the pleasure to enjoy the pain to enjoy the disappointment to enjoy the appointment
whatever occurs to the enjoyment is is there because you enjoying the interests of
if you can appreciate everything that happens you won't miss you too felt
dishes when taste is not something you stick to or something you have to recall that is true enlightenment
ah
something you have to recall you know we have a taste of something
and during for sheen often we have a taste of something
walking outside and suddenly you know the whole body and mind will drop away and aren't we just feel like a light as a feather and ah found something unusual
buoyancy of life
yeah without any hindrance and we think just as enlightenment
it's not not enlightenment
but
because we have a big flash
and because we're told that enlightenment comes suddenly
and that because were secretly expecting something
when they were told not to expect hearing
really this is it and so we want to keep recalling that and so everything else seems like it's not it this is a problem with be expecting some kind of being experience because when you expect to experienced the rest of your life is only
something leading up to that experience and not that worthwhile
so we have to be able to see the enlightenment in the most
mundane unappealing circumstances
ordinary mind is away as nonsense is
joe issues as well as the way nonsense senses ordinary mind but what is ordinary mind ordinary means enlightenment in managers ordinary
what we're looking for something extraordinary called enlightenment
har-tru nature is simply new
if it wasn't
what could we what can they want to be
some big prize

the you may think you attained enlightenment but if you are busy or in some difficulty and think you need to have that experience again
that is not real enlightenment because that enlightenment is something you are sticking to so we haven't experienced and then which is vision but they cannot i hadn't lot i had this indian ministry and and then gradually it disappeared and i've been trying to regain that ever since
sorry folks
nothing ever repeats itself this this is an unrepeatable universe
so far
so far as we know in this world anyway that it may be some you know we don't know what's out there in the cosmos maybe a repeatable world
groundhog day
huh

so he says real enlightenment as always with you there's no need for you to stick to it or even to think about it
because it's always with you difficulty itself is enlightenment
you're busy life itself is enlightened activity that is true enlightenment
even though you want to have a taste of true practice it may be difficult to have it
can any way to have it is just to continue right practice with a red instruction and the right teacher
sorry
if you if you do your practice regularly then naturally some day you have a taste of it
regularly is very important word here
yesterday i was talking about do you teach her
ah if if you don't feel that you teachers giving you a problem then you probably
we are not there's something missing in your practice and i got a lot of response to that one during dog side
ah but i think we have to understand what i mean here
no i don't mean that basic coming in and as for problem
you already have
the
the teachers you know teaches role is to encourage your practice
that's the teacher's role to encourage your practice and to help you to maintain
the way
that's that's the teachers road teacher noted psychiatrist or
therapists to her is simply a guide to help you
on your path and to give you encouragement and guidance
so when we come up against practice
does it is a kind of problem like
how much should i practice
should i practice whole heartedly or
three quarters heartedly
half heartedly
why for so this is this is the scale on which the teachers evaluating your practice
this is one scale i want your teachers rarely really your practice
whatever you do practice is that practice unless it's wholehearted it doesn't mean that you have to spend all day in zendo simply means that whatever you do the quality of your practice should be wholeheartedly
that's the basic
criteria for practice it's not wholehearted it's not zen practice that's all something it may be shitting zazi and are you know coming to the dog or whatever but in practice has to be wholehearted because wholeheartedness is where enlightenment
shows itself
it doesn't reveal itself in half hearted activity
enlightenment his thoroughness
zen practice should bring out your deepest spirit
that's why sixteenth is difficult
you know when you the first time he sits a shade you think how can anybody do this
sitting seven days with your legs crossed
it's painful legs you know dogs and after his eyes and after isn't it
it's all crazy

but this brings out something new that and you didn't think you can didn't brings a i'm effort and your the didn't take your head
and
ha
does what we say
says itself or zazen itself when it's whole hearted is itself enlightenment
because it's whole practice wholehearted practice
and ah and
that brings forth enlightenment and enlightenment brings forth all hundred practice

so anyway
this is my encouragement
handy there are a lot of other things that you know
our problems that
ah
a huge variety of other problems that come up that the teacher deals with with students
and
to accept your problems
he's also important to know how to mix and really accept and face problems a that you know which are actually your
bomb ah key to practice problems is is that we don't have a problem it's hard to practice because there's nothing to
take on have to take something on
and at taking on the problem that you have so i didn't try to give people problems and i worked with the problem and person already has and so and
ha
allow you to work with it but sometimes people don't like that you know sometimes i become somebody's father or mother or something and then didn't like their mother their father and so
get me up
but
us a very flexible and allow that to happen to certain extent
but
since i said yesterday
if
the student should be able to hopefully
i relate to the teacher the way that you would expect to teach to relate to you

funny anyway
so he says even though you have a taste of practice and may be difficult to have it the only way to have it is just to continue right practice with the right instruction in the right teacher
if you're doing your practice regularly that naturally someday you will ever taste of it
you know not every teacher's right for every student
so that's good to find the right teacher
but the right teacher may not be the one that you like
most
some people may be the when it gives that that helps you to
ah get over your aggressiveness
nowadays young people make dates
you a young people make this this is
before the nine days i think
young people made dates i my son i asked him you know well fitness some girl that you can date he should date
people don't take it anymore
more what do they do is is when we kind of hang out and at you know and he couldn't explain it but
hey dating during his trip out the old fashioned but if as nowadays people maybe this is this in the sixty seventies he said his sixties when i was not something which you can meet by making a date
you can't make a date with an argument the
if you organize your life you up at a certain time and pick up your bag lunch at a certain time and go to work this very cute very sweet really saying and go to work very naive even no way
and then you have a girlfriend or boyfriend you meet her or him and they will be no need for you to make a date so you know never really get up in the morning and you can you take your lunch and you go to work
cringe
japanese style
and you can do go to it and
you made the person that you really your sweetheart yosemite that you really
and the crushing on
no need to really you know to make to do a big deal about it so at a certain time she will come to the corner where you usually see her
that is our way it is rather foolish and traveled from to make phone calls
the
it's rather it
it was foolish and troublesome to make phone calls
even if you make a deal by telephone hey i'm leaving now there she doesn't come to the corner and you will be disappointed
if you cannot not make any date and if she comes at a certain time to the corner and you will be very happy
so you know i think don't worry don't try to make a date with enlightenment
you may catch a glimpse of her
our him
if you just kind of to go about your business you know
she's around and don't worry she she's around but if you try training you know do something
she may not like that church and she won't be there
anyway so this is how you attain enlightenment he says it's not a laughing matter
i'm sure he'd go the same response
he says i'm talking about something real
not to make any date means not to expect or stick to enlightenment when you are encouraged by enlightenment when seeing her even though you don't talk to her she's getting a glimpse of her is enough changes can of i'm so happy to see her you know even though she just went around
corner i can remember that when i went to kid you know

all day long you'll be happy just catching a glimpse
if you are demanding too much of her than it already means that you stick to enlightenment
so
it's a gift you know that maybe it's like grace
in a way i think that probably right
maybe the equivalent and some way of grace that it's not something that you can expect or something that you can make happen
what through your sincere practice it's there and then at some point you will realize it
you know we say
what he's met at a glacier on says
it's like walking in a frog there's nothing standing out in the rain but it's my walking in a fog you at some point you feel your clothes and a damp
so
ah it creeps up on you
and it's there before you know it and you don't know how it got there
it's like ah not thinking in jersey and
i try not to think and then after about ten minutes you realize you've been thinking for ten minutes
that is what the success as to meant when he said just to dwell an emptiness is not true practice
originally he attained enlightenment by one famous statement
without dwelling on anything you have true mind this is a statement from the diamonds sutra well when it was a here
someone reciting the diamond sutra when he was quite young without dwelling on anything you have to mind this was his interpretation of that
and he was because mine opened up and that's when he decided he would go see
the shift ancestor
if you stick to something you will lose your enlightenment
this is if you stick to something there's nothing to stick to
ah in and vase in there is no special state of mind that we're trying to achieve
chosen is not a special state of mind
but people think it is can even though they know it's not we still looking for that special state of mind that clarity

looking for
family and when i might have very clear you feel love this is enlightenment it is
but you stick to that
you know as soon as we say enzymes in
we wanted to change it changes
and then everything else is unsatisfactory from there on
so it's it's true that clarity of mine is enlightenment but also the changes enlightenment
and then
feel your pain is enlightenment
and then the feeling of
i wish it wasn't so
painful is also enlightenment
you don't know it

so even though you try to make an appointment or day doesn't work if you stick to something you will lose your enlightenment to stick to some special state of mind you will lose your enlightenment
as long as you accept everything equally
as long as you accept every every change
equally get enlightenment is there
without desiring some special state of mind
huh
this is called discrimination
discrimination is the key to enlightenment
about you know in our ordinary life we have to discriminate
we always discriminating because we have to choose one thing over another
so ah how do we do that how do you choose one thing over another how do you make a decision
have to make a decision
and based on nine discriminating mind is called the discrimination or non-discrimination
discrimination
picking and choosing
when not discriminating
without
go
it's selfless choice
her constantly to you cannot live without choosing constantly making a choice constantly
there are everything we do with making a choice
we choose to accept whatever happens
that's not discriminating discrimination

and then do we want vanilla or chocolate
this matter

sometimes
how we eat whatever is on our plate
and sometimes if it's not so good mean you have to give it back
ha
so that's ah
gets common sense
so are we have to exhibit common sense
as as well as non discrimination
a
so
this is even though you try hard to make an appointment or a day doesn't work the enlightenment you attain in that way is something which you stick to and is not something which is always with you which always encourage you the point this point is very important even after we finish our says shane you should continue a well organized life and have really
enlightenment when you practice sincerely according to the right instruction of your teacher that is how you really experience enlightenment expenditure this is a very fruitful for shame and some of you have already at a good taste of our practice even if you haven't had a taste of real practice i think you have understood how to practice
s touch him so from now i'm just continue your practice so
you have any questions
james
here
not everybody

and and what
watch
the time to be heard
that vitamin is no spasm name

that catches paint by which were over it's still unlikely
i feel like and like
i'm wondering how i can bridge that gap
just believe what i say
matt harding and go
because when you say it doesn't feel like enlightenment you must know what enlightenment feels like i i do with how do you know it doesn't feel like enlightenment
keep trying
is your practice wholehearted
but but that's why you're experiencing enlightenment
it
i wonder if we could say to differently probably
even though
enlightening is different state of mind and i mean who come here for some reason right
okay media or at
no enlightenment different save mind if we have wish to retain it we to him
is it a different state of mind it's always different know
i don't know
i'm sorry i didn't sound like what you were saying the beginning from what i'm saying is that whatever comes on who need it may not demanding know that you'd be something special in his body and your definition said i thought i was doing that well i'm just saying different like enough works whatever comes up
whether whether it's different dental last moment or special nonetheless it's the it's the a man a game
something
that that's the problem
the we want something
yeah we weren't something well wanting something is always a problem
right and still we come here because we want to know we don't
i don't i don't come here because they want something you want practice i don't want practice
i just come
because that's what we're doing ah you come to crack it's full heartedly
hope so
it's not always so but
i'd you know i don't come here the i don't come to brag to get something
mean when you say want something i'm not sure what you mean by want from think well it's true that ah
there's no satisfaction so recognizing that would give up and come here

when why i come here
i don't know every pitch
i think they can for various reasons
people everyone comes from various regions but basically
i'm
when i come decision i don't think about fishing
i know the gonna be so shade and then
when people say what is the attitude that i should have when i come to see shane if they don't think about it
just put out a your mind just go about your business and then when the time's come time comes to compensate you just do that he do the i'm doing this for some reason or because i feel from certain way or want to feel some food and way and to when it's time to decision that's what you do
up until that time you're doing something else his night
turning into another life is like i'm living my life now
doing my would i rarely and then boom i'm in another life
we're just like starting another life
from scratch
but are any expectations like being born into a new world so but any expectation if you have expectation it's very hard to sit thousand very hard to do to shape the easiest way is associated without any expectation if you say seven days
can't say it's a shame you can only do it moment by moment by moment without any idea how right
so
i would've never had an idea that i wanted to be enlightened
but i mentioned it just never been a driving
ha ha
this intention with you know
i just believed my teacher alone
just no gaining idea
can this whole thing does nothing to game because nothing to get it does nothing to there's no point
other than to just do to to sit moment by moment within the moment and each moment is total life and includes a whole universe that's all
here
ha i can say mine is candy
had ordinary life an extraordinary nine i wanted to say me and that it even when i'm when they heard of like to spit nails the football
i'm aware of that experience as the to carry that it's no different than i in a peaceful hopefully in place in effect on me that i'm catching the awareness and and it also makes i'm making a distinction because i wish that recently not long ago her heard and talk it out christianity
a place of the specialness of the phenomena of jesus and making a case about phenomena and the special enough to deny father but
hex ordinary mind and extraordinary
price of one can say in how can there be and there must be any possibility more the countdown of action and in i mean we we teach christianity always making that kind of distinction and i picked from neighbors
that allows for that
we experience with experience as it is that way speak about like it we start making a special net or something it's not in this reality
ha ah ah when it would is not extraordinary is very is a very extraordinary

oh
i think i understand what you're talking about is about how to have how to practice with no dealing idea that the way you have to actually do the attitude you cultivate in practice but there is underway to talking about people's motivation to practice of a member for the bone cheetah which is desire
for enlightenment know so that's another way to talking about it and i think in this girl discussion some people were picking speaking from that
wait talking about it and you are talking from the other yes sounds contradictory but it's not you know
i'm
there's nothing wrong with design for enlightenment you know
tom

the problem with the desire for enlightenment
yeah is that we get attached to the desire for enlightenment
there's nothing wrong with the desire for enlightenment it's only that we stick to the desire for enlightenment
and so that we can't see what in front of us you
i you know
this is already enlightenment
it's ah
if you try to grasp it in our it's spin moves away from you you stumble past it and if you don't try to go for it than you ignore it
and i thought that's a big call on you know enlightenment going for enlightenment and magic and not
is going for it so
but

problem is
that when you thought of enlightenment is a thought
and
the
in order to actually and to actualize we have to get rid of all those concept
as soon as you have a concept of and enlightenment
you stumble past it
that's the problem
soon as you have an idea about it it's gone that's why suzuki roshi was so adamant about clearing this clearing this the table and would get all that stuff off the table
don't fall into that
people they want leukemia she never talked about enlightenment you know
if he ignored enlightenment everything he did was enlightenment
but he didn't create a concept of enlightenment

the rope here for me he said
this is a question
getting rid of wanting
that's what
that's what it sounds like and so it sounds like you just said
and i don't think
i don't think that's really what you mean that nervous wanting
we're fully bonded
does wanting ministers one thing that wanting
nothing wrong with wanting wanting as a human thing pride but it's this sticking to it's the fixing the wanting that's the oh the course so is it letting go
not that's taking to some particular thing
it
you know the wanting his desire right so when desire is
turned
toward way seeking mind
or you can say enlightenment is no longer called desire
seeking the way desire is a term that's used for wanting something
so
but even so
the wanting is still wanting
and
in in the end dead even that has to go
harris on well
it seems to me that it goes through done
things arise
wanting version and so on
if we don't know
that we leave it alone
the sense enjoy and appreciate it
but don't energize it don't try to push it away don't try to manipulate
go away that's a long time and we can enjoy
the time in which it leaves you know that called not wanting
okay
hey island
well
the
i've been sitting here
in dialogue with myself
and in dialogue with machinary you
not being a arguments
after them
so
address the questions mother is still a question
but what occurred to me as i think
that was
that you actually did exactly what you said the teacher does at the beginning this election was just
some ipad is a very uncomfortable discussion and the ended at the end of seven days
yeah i think
it's discomfort in some our exchange which is just fine would be
and so it's like you're throwing
back at us version words
what is it were doing
hey i appreciate that even though
i think years or so lives here
thoughts agreements just reasons
so i just saw that's all
well
a
the agree with you
sure
like i'd agree but that's rare
hi
etc thanks i mean the that are the story of buddha's enlightenment say and like a keeping place in meditation after all
us
adaptations
it makes us think a and but experiences something that can be obtained through czars and but or chinese and japanese tradition of them as enlightenment are taking place in the enlightenment stories in the context of daily life
well here is set off a roofer
ah the same ones reflection and a string of being hit by ones teacher
to fix it i kind of ugly think of any enlightening on stories and central issue more enlightened that occurs during sauce
neither enlightenment occurs
during the event and
enlightenment
in vase in our one thing
so it's not that if you are sitting zazen trying to attain some enlightenment experience
the probably won't happen because you're already experiencing enlightenment so you're expecting with you're expecting something that's already happening but you don't see it you don't realize what's happening and you and you're looking for something else as long as you're looking for something else you can't see it
this is the biggest problem as long as we're looking for something else we can't see it it's the idea that stops it
it gets in the way
so yes people have enlightened to experiences when the night sittings as in but says thousand just sitting in the midst of enlightenment is like sitting in the middle of this stream and sitting where is the water
and the reason we don't recognize it because we want something else than what we've got
you accept exactly what you have
that's it but you don't
huh you're looking for something else
question
when know it's really time to go
because this is endless
i ended up for for our and alan
okay well i asked
i want to make to need a package but it seemed to me that what one way of saying what you're saying was that to to let go of the idea of enlightenment as a peak experience in no bells and whistles and centurion calling out to time and that kind of stuff
when you are talking about about being present for your own experience moment after moment being enlightenment
i want that and it some to me like you want that too
and we make some kind of an effort
to be present and that that would be my response to david that that was piece you left out and something about making this effort to be present for wanting or not wanting a way is you know that that we do make a great effort just that it's not an effort to get somewhere know it's an effort to do
what you're doing
students
the