And yesterday we stopped with the question that Gerald put in, what do I wish for or what is my motivation to come here? If Belka Roshi offers no more doorsteps, then I understood that correctly. So, in which, in other words, in which format could such an exchange, this exchange, be continued? There are various ideas about it. And I would suggest that not every voice and every person comes to the fore, that we just do the three around and if you like, you start. I think I have at least heard of it. So much or little, it doesn't matter. So if you say, I don't notice anything at all at the moment, and so on, then it goes on. Then you just go on and you can continue. Wishes? I am very happy about the existence of the different generations that we are meeting together now.

[01:28]

My motivation to come here is my home temple. I am here at home and I come here as often as possible. When I am in Europe, I practice here. And I was also very happy to see the new program, the program for 2020. There are also many study offers. There will be very basic lessons or study opportunities to the basic lessons offered. And I think that's very, very valuable. I hope that this will be used. I will also make sure that I can work on the material in parallel, again or not. I didn't have the opportunity to be here regularly in Europe, but I had the chance to listen to the lectures and was interested in them.

[02:35]

bilateral exchange with some Sangha brothers and sisters relatively intensively about the topics that were discussed in the group. And that has always interested me very much. And in my half-closterly everyday life I took part in it as well as possible. When I'm here, I think, incredibly valuable when I can also meet with people with whom I have been practicing for a long time, where we have been working on the same topics for a long time. I also wish in the next few years that this is possible, perhaps in a smaller group. And in larger formats, in larger groups, I think it's very, very nice to meet here at the events in Sechins, or for the classes, or for the practice, or for the moon, or for the studies.

[03:44]

Yes, above all, I also join you in what you say about our own new members. I am very happy about that. I find that very interesting, the exchange with you, very lively. But it is also important to me to come here, even if Beka Roshi does not teach. to have the exchange with the Sangha, to have the practical experience that you do, to hear, to see what can be useful for me, where I am right now, what I can learn from it. Yes, and for example now, of course, the big topic that Roche is now But I'm glad that it's here now. Yes, I think it's not a question whether I will come back when Rekaroshi Kaimdorf is no longer taught.

[05:27]

The question is whether I will stay then, but of course I will stay here. So we're already doing a little bit in that direction with preparation and then a topic. That's in Sao Cario, which is now in January. What I am also very interested in is what you said, Gisela, there is a core question, what can be done about the world, and that concerns me very much in relation to the environment, and what can we do, what do we do, and how does that contribute Or do we keep the question or do we have the question as a point of reference? That would be something that I would be interested in, but now also increasingly appear in many lectures.

[06:27]

And of course then with you, so not just with the exhibition. but also with all of you who come from outside, because that is still a different perspective. Sometimes we don't even notice as much as it looks with the world, because we don't have a TV and no newspaper. But as soon as you turn on the TV and put up the newspaper, the catastrophe comes to you. I can't say much about it because it's my first time. But I think the exchange was very pleasant and very important for me. I think there were a lot of questions and it was nice to hear from the other generation that it was strange to talk about how you can approach it in a rational way, but also in a felt way, to get closer to it.

[07:29]

The last two seminars were really productive for me, just to sit and listen to it and get a feeling for it. I think it's super nice and super lively and I think it's a pity that it's not empty anymore. Yes, I can only connect to that. Yesterday I came across C. hominid and I really like to see this thousand-year-old tradition again and to love it. But still the atmosphere was very warm and almost familiar. So I thought that was very nice. I liked it very much and later in the talks I always experience that here, that everyone is very open and absolutely welcome. And yet there is also, which I also appreciate very much, a bit of humor in it.

[08:43]

It doesn't have to be all that serious. And I just think that's a lot of fun. And the seminars too. I was once at Nicole's seminar. That really gave me a lot of time for this exchange. And I hope it will stay that way in the future. I personally think it would be nice if there was a regularity to the meetings. For me, it would be ideal if the work would be linked to a subject of study. I thought, for example, that it would be nice to read something together in advance and then prepare and then do something a little more concrete, because that felt a little bit like a doorstep. I think it's nice if you work with a group that maybe, so that's one idea now,

[09:47]

um um What I find so exciting about the UD is that there is not only one Roshi or one bear, but that it has a group, i.e. a group of bodies with different qualities that address me in different ways. And of course the old Roshi in the background holds the strings in his hand a bit. But what is more noticeable is that he is not the oh-go-go in a way. That there is also room for others and that up to us, that I find appealing and also attractive.

[10:53]

So the room is for different qualities. I haven't met many Sanghas so far. I haven't met a Sangha where compassion is so present and tangible. And that attracts me and deepens my practice. And that's why I come here when Aushini is not there. It depends on the time and money, but I like to come back to Sechin and everything that is possible. I'm missing the habit of being elected. I come here and find incredible diversity. I don't have the expectation that it has to be something specific.

[11:57]

So by opening the Zen Do or trying to run Zen Do in Budapest, I know I have to arrange What kind of activities do people do to attract people to let them know what Zazen is and to give them an opportunity to practice? I was thinking to have different themes, but I wasn't sure where to start or what should I do next, not only the basics of Zazen, but to have some links. And of course, once again, I'm so inspired by my stay here for at least a few days.

[13:45]

So the topic is going to be climate change, of course. Or how to face the end. Or these huge changes that are about to come. And you all are very inspiring to me. You are always helping. And Baker Roshi is the cherry on the top, of course. And it's just so clear. Straight forward. But I'll be back. For sure.

[14:46]

You will be back? For sure. Even if he's not. I'll be back. Yes, this is the first time I'm sitting through it. And for me, I can't complain about what was just said. The exchange with everyone here, at the tea, here in the seminar, sometimes when you look at each other or greet, is already very enriching and also for my practice. The... It's similar to what was said yesterday, when you try to practice, the lectures are also totally inspiring.

[15:48]

And I also take a lot with me from Babe Roshi's lectures. And suddenly so many topics come up in me, especially then in our self, that I can relate the things with, but from my point of view still extremely little. So I'm still very busy with my inner whole processes, which I then first perceive more sensitively. I don't feel like I'm part of it. I'm just a student and I don't know him for years. It's a different feeling. I can also refer to other things. There are many teachers here who I am very inspired by and everyone has exactly what they have to say. There is a certain quality. I can only say that I take a lot from everyone here. And that's it. It's not just a place of practice, but in this sense a kind of home.

[17:07]

And the hands don't... That's the scent in the center and a lot of things. And I have the feeling, Durstepsen was now like a passage between Damaril and we don't know. Das Format hat mich dieses Jahr auch nicht so wirklich überzeugt. Und als ich dem nachgespürt habe, was ich mir wünsche, ist auch, also wie David es gesagt hat, ich wünsche mir, dass wir entweder ein Thema vorher schon haben oder länger an einem Thema diskutieren. I also wish, as some have already said, that in a relatively small and continuous group, Und ich kann mir zwei Sachen vorstellen. Das eine, was ich spüre, ist, dass ich auch viel Lust habe, Dinge zu verticken mit Leuten, mit denen ich schon 20 Jahre oder so weit beziehe.

[18:13]

Und weil das einfach total schön ist, eine gemeinsame Sprache und schon sehr viele Erfahrungen zu haben, wo das andocken kann. Und das Zweite, was ich aber auch total spannend finde, ich freue mich ja so ein bisschen, I think this is also an interesting space to meet, especially if this is more of a focus, more of a topic. And the third thing is that I also feel that way, as if I were... As Greta Thunberg said, I have a strong feeling that I want to explain to myself what I can do as a practitioner in this area. For more peace.

[19:20]

To care for everything that lives between us. And where can I connect? And where can I put the fruit of my practice? That's my wish. But I don't know yet. Yes, I didn't get everything because I wanted to be ordained. And I think it's a shame that it won't go any further with Birka Roche now. And I hope, of course, I will also really get started and move on. And yes, I hope that he will still appear once in a while. And if there is already one or so. And I'm also happy that environmental issues are being integrated, just like yours.

[20:30]

And I'm fascinated by the fact that so many young people have done something like this in Leipzig. And I find it so fascinating that at some point you take such a step and bring something into life. And that's what I actually wish for. I don't have any in Aachen now. Yes, and I am happy that I can continue to work with you. I always experience very valuable impulses for my own practice when I am here. There are many factors. One is that I experience it like a big family. And that goes very far up to, as Dr. Sauer-Dreher said, the center, the room, the place. And of course, of course, also the people, the persons that I can practice here.

[21:38]

And yes, Baker Hoshi is also important to me in that sense. In this respect, I think it will continue to grow. And from my point of view, it would be nice, even if it is no longer so strongly integrated, just to sit with him, when he was at the sasen, just to experience the presence of you, of others, but also of him, in the sasen. And I think he could be in the background. And that's a bit of a strong wish of mine. And of course, of course, if there is the possibility that he will continue to make a lecture every week or something like that, which may also be available in the form of the central one via the media.

[22:40]

But I think, well, I have the feeling that it is a situation of change here, as well as outside in the world, but I think there is no solution. Yes, I was at five doorsteps out of six. Unfortunately, I missed the first one. Then I noticed that the second one was quite stupid. Because it was a very exciting journey. I would say I'm pretty rushed. Because of him, I got so far. And because of him, I started the practice. And he represents for me where I want to go. And yes, but with being here and with this development of the groups, there were sometimes other people again and again, the sangha came closer to me.

[23:51]

That was something that I would not have expected, that through the conversations that were held here, I felt so reflected in what I usually do with myself. That was a great experience, to feel at home here, internally. Because I don't have anyone at home where I live, like in any other home, with whom I can talk about it. A bit like you in Aachen. That was very... It was a great experience. I watch TV every day, I read the newspaper, and every day I am increasingly shocked by the state of the world. It was also a great relief for me that Roshi spoke it out and that we are in a crisis, from my point of view. I have the feeling that the world is already on fire. And it's hard to bear, but the way he thinks about it, I can do it if he can do it.

[24:52]

And the question is really, where is a safe place? Is there a safe place at all? And what sounded last time, up here is the sect, then I think, oh shit, we're back to creating minorities. That's also a trend that is becoming more and more clear in Germany. Yes, and... That makes me yearn for this place more when I'm in Hamburg. And I don't know, maybe some of you have noticed, there's no singer like that, a really good singer. And that makes me very dissatisfied. And I'm thinking, am I doing something there now or am I engaging myself more in Johanneshof? I don't really know that yet. But in any case, I will be more committed to the fact that I am present, that I invest my time. And I thought, like Roshi said, the video will come out on the 18th of May, that we, those who feel like it, maybe find two dates where we can meet and talk about topics, or just talk about experiences, because I think there are so many topics already.

[26:07]

Thank you. Why would I continue if my teacher doesn't teach anymore? because I promised him to continue, because I promised myself to continue, because it is a concern to me, and because it is also a home that I have co-founded. And there are different aspects. The order does not say anything about it, about the quality. It is the place as a space, as a place of practice.

[27:08]

the rooms that we have created here, the Buddha Hall in particular, and the Zen Do, teaches and acts in stepping into it. It is simply the form itself that teaches. That's why I would come, just because of that, to go into this form from time to time, this Zen Do. It forms me the moment I step into it. I am in a situation in Göttingen where I experience the Johanneshof as a background. A background for the possibility to send students from us here. but also for me as a background, where I can practice differently from time to time. And that's where you come in. That is the place and the practice here, where I can enter, and it is more priestly than, of course, the one in Göttingen.

[28:17]

And it's like I've been introduced from time to time. What I could imagine would be, for example, that we meet and discuss a Quran, for example. What can we say about the world? Not necessarily a Quran that we stick to, but as a basis. And Gunther and I spoke together yesterday. What happens here is not planned and I experience it in Göttingen and here again and again that what happens here is always something new. It always creates a new situation, new insights that can only arise and will arise in being together. And I think Becker-Roschi will only come when we tell him he should come.

[29:18]

Did I say that correctly? So, that we meet maybe once or twice until May, I don't know. We'll get it together and then say, as you said, we're there and there. Oh, I forgot. und hätten dich gerne dazu. Und ich bin sicher, dass es ankommt. Und ich würde gerne noch eine ganz kleine Anmerkung machen zu diesem logischen or the framework in which the world is located. I feel into a dilemma and always have to look where my focus is.

[30:28]

So, from my perspective, we have to be informed about the economy, we should be informed about ecology, Wir sollten informiert sein über die Psychologie und die Geistologie. Da gibt es sicher noch andere Dinge. Aber das sind so die vier Ebenen, denen wir nicht ausweichen können. Und die Frage, die sich für mich erhebt, welchen Stellenwert, also wir können die nicht ausweichen, aber welchen Stellenwert gehen wir den einzelnen Ebenen? Und wo liegt mein Schwerpunkt, wo liegt euer Schwerpunkt? And from my perspective, it's the psychology and in that order then the psychology. And how do we want to deal with the economy, the ecology and the politics as a fifth level? How do we want to deal with that? These are topics that I also find very interesting.

[31:29]

I will record again. Yes, a lot of good things have been said, but I can't really add anything more. For me, it's always very fortunate to come here. And the wish that really exists would be that we really have concrete, the next term. It was very good, and it was in the time until Oshikon, so that we independently here in the atmosphere, as it has been, as it has been, the work continues. It's an intimate round here, but it's not an interview. And I think you have to make it clear that what you have to say here is murder.

[32:37]

We can't understand each other. I'm hard of hearing, but I get so much with it, I lose the desire to take part in such rounds. So what we have to say here is important. It's not holy. You don't have to whisper. You should try to communicate with the person who is 10 meters away from you. Yes. I see ourselves as a special kind of friendship. We share a worldview and that is not so common. I also have other friends who do not share this worldview.

[33:38]

There are then topics that are not mentioned when we are together. And I think it is quite natural that we that we like to be together, that we want to see each other again, and that this continues now. And I think what Gerhard said, that we should invite Dave Hiroshi now, we should let him come in and invite him. You also have to respect that he wants to hold back a little, that he doesn't want to go on like this, as he has done so far. That is legitimate, I think. And yet, as he has also presented it, where he has given his attention, that he has thanked himself that he is allowed to speak. That is his attitude now. I think that can also be respected. And I think he is also very willing to talk with us and to be there.

[34:42]

But as Gerhard said, if we organize something, put something on the table, then we can invite him. If he also wants to organize something, that's great. But that doesn't have to be left to him now. We can also do some old initiatives and invite him if he comes. Wonderful. And if he can't come or wants to, then we can do that too. I think... I have before... As long as I live here, I have to look up again and again. I don't look up very often because I don't live very far away. I'm sorry, I'm only a few hours away. But when I'm here, I want to know what you have to say. And when you whisper into the corner... I think it's such a shame. I think others think so too. What do we have to say? Yes, the environment.

[35:49]

I am overwhelmed. I am very grateful that there are people who know much more than I do, who have a better insight and who can perhaps come up with some solutions that I don't even think about. I also hope a little bit for some solutions that there are some technical solutions that we can still get some things under control. There will be a collapse, that's clear to me. Whether humanity is thinking about it, Yes, but we hope for the best. And we support those who could really bring a very positive and concrete contribution. I have no idea. I hope that someone has an idea. I don't know.

[37:03]

I think it's to despair. But I continue my daily life and I'm happy about this and that. But it's a very serious matter, very serious. Especially when you have children. That really makes you jealous in your heart. I can't wish for my daughter to have children now, although I would love to have grandchildren. Excuse me for interrupting. I'm done anyway. What? I thought you were done. I am done. Okay. I found a 10 euro on the path, a rather wet 10 euro, but now I've dried it out. If anybody lost a 10 euro, it's on the path. And maybe if you're speaking about what you're going to do after I'm gone, maybe I should go upstairs and you can speak more freely.

[38:03]

It's not about when you're gone, gone. Oh, I know. I understand. I have different gone. Gone, gone beyond. Yeah, so maybe I should go upstairs and then... No? Oh, okay. Because I could come down when you have a break or something. Okay, so I'll stay here if you want me to. Okay, I'm here then. I just want to say goodbye. Where are you going? To the Zendo. Oh. Yeah. So we're back in our practice period schedule. And I don't know if I or the other practice period participants will see you.

[39:19]

That's why I wanted to say goodbye to the others. And it's nice that you were there. It was great with you. And we got a whole bunch of people to coordinate, which was nice. Yeah. And I wish you a good return. Thank you. See you soon. See you soon. Bye-bye. In my experience so far, both the machines and the seminars and lectures have been big arrows in my practice. But there are still many small parts, and they are almost equally important. And that is actually the experience of the people who have been practicing here for years, since I noticed that these teachings seem to have to be implemented individually.

[40:19]

And that also depends very much on who implements the teaching. And I notice that this is simply a very large treasure chest from which I was able to operate well and thus further intensify the implementation of the practice from the goals, the life and also the experiences. And my wish would be that the framework for this remains so open That I can come here again and again to continue to operate from this treasure chest. Maybe at some point I'll get something. It has already been said a lot, but what I would like to emphasize again is, what I noticed, no matter if it is a five-year age difference or 50 years, and no matter how much practical experience you have, I was able to draw a lot from the talks.

[41:26]

I also had the opportunity to learn from the Gagga and to be a companion and advisor for each other. Good for me. And that's what I want to continue. So yesterday at the ceremony, I received the commandment, or whatever it's called. I listened to it. Good. Speak simply. Speak simply. What do I do? What are ethical values? What do I try to orientate myself towards? Is that louder?

[42:29]

Yes, and this is really a constant examination of the inner workings. And this is a conversation with external actions. It would be nice if the individual precepts would be inside of us. But sometimes it's sufficient when there is no contradiction. Also in Kant's moral philosophy there is a This is so difficult and we don't like it because it sounds like Prussian compulsory consciousness.

[43:52]

I heard in a seminar that Kant would not have come to inner peace. Also for those who try to avoid contradictions, at least avoid contradictions, or at least have a certain harmony. It's important for me to have a practice And I would say, if we have to learn to die, then we can also learn it from Kant or from Socrates.

[45:21]

She's waiting for you to see if you've finished translating. I need your reaction because for example the first time I was here in 2012 I already heard the teaching of Felder Do you want me to stop?

[46:58]

No, just talk to us. Sorry? Just talk to us. Okay. I'm a little confused. I'm thinking about how to stop. I've already done a little work. Yes, Ellen, can you hear me? I can hear you. Why I came here, to the Johanneshof, is my commitment to myself and to my teacher, Hoshi, my promise to myself, and also to the Sangha community, because I want to help to live this place in practice.

[48:00]

For me it is not only important to the doorstep Zen, but also to other, if it was possible for me in all these years, to come to other events. Because the experience of doing a Seishin or taking part in a practice period, which I have mostly done in Creston, you can't express that in words, because that it is one of the greatest gifts that you can get. And you can only do that at these places where there is a teacher and where there are practitioners. It makes no sense when you come to a broadcast that is empty.

[49:03]

Of course, that also has an enormous weight and exposure. Gerhard said that the sendo shapes you, but it is something different when really practitioners come together and I am very grateful for that in all the years and I am always happy to see familiar faces and of course I am also happy about the Leipzig a crew, which we, with several people, came up with, and that revives the Johannishof in another way. Yes, what I wish is that Roshi, in any case, as far as possible, should continue to teach. I would be very grateful for that.

[50:12]

I also felt a little more open about the reforms that have taken place in the doorstep. The winter branches also have an enormous depth for me, but I have noticed that people have also retreated. I would like it to continue in the open form as it has been in DORSDEXEN, because something new is developing from it. When I see the new program from 2020, there are already changes taking place. For example, that the study month takes place or that other seminars take place. I also feel that this is an enrichment for people who may not be able to participate in a practice period, who can only participate in a month.

[51:20]

But in any case, I think this change and important and I find it important that you come, that you continue to come. I'm in Johanneshof for the third time now. The first two times were two seashells, each one. I already said to the others when we were in the car and drove up to me, I said, God, now you have to talk to the people. Yes, in this regard, I wanted to say again from my side, it may well be that I was a bit shy from time to time, that is not to be taken personally, but exactly, that was now a new format for me, so to speak.

[52:21]

And yes, in the sessions before that, I have always noticed that for me a totally exciting and interesting place, simply because I somehow come here in a different mode, a different mode of practice. If I compare this, for example, with the home in Leipzig in my room or David and I live together, if we sit down together in the morning, that's also good, but here I come again ... In other words, I'm curious to see how far the event itself will work. I think it will certainly be better than before in Leipzig. But here it simply has a completely different quality. I don't have to say that I would like to come here again because I have a certain level of quality of practice in this place.

[53:29]

Regarding the doorstep sense, as I said, I was there for the first time. And during the first session on Thursday or Friday, I don't remember what it was, it was about Not Knowing. And then I was like, oh, well, I can start with it in a certain way, but I find it somehow difficult to grasp. And the discussion was a bit difficult for me to get into it and I also struggled a bit. Maybe you have to add that I have not read a single book about Zen Buddhism so far. I read a book by Stefan Schumacher called Zenit or something like that. It's always about the history of Zen Buddhism, about China, Japan and so on.

[54:36]

That was quite exciting, but I somehow noticed that I didn't have the courage to read anything about it, but I just wanted to sit down and just do it and see what happens. Insofern, in Bezug auf Dostoevsky oder auch in Bezug auf den Austausch mit Leuten hier, ist es dann einfach sehr spannend und das bezieht sich auch auf das SenLab in Leipzig. to connect everyday things with the practice and to communicate it somehow. For me, this is something very tangible that I can apply in everyday life. Yes, it's also a kind of self-knowledge to reflect in certain situations, to see how you react and so on. I think it all has a lot to do with, or for me, a lot to do with science. And that's what I find exciting about sitting down. Exactly.

[55:36]

I found that exciting in the context of the Ghost Advance. but also with the people here in Johannesburg. I will now discuss topics that are very relevant to everyday life. May I ask you a question? I just wanted to ask, is this not knowing, for example, a topic, is it too far from everyday life for you? Are the topics sometimes a little too far out there? Yes, they are now, so I can start with something, but they are not so everyday practice-like, so to speak.

[56:36]

We just asked him if he's talking or not talking. He's too far away from kind of daily life and he said yes. It's a bit... It's easy. So not knowing is a topic that I'm not very interested in. She said... It's a bit... It's interesting. Thank you very much. Because it's just the case that over the years things are gathering that also want to be discussed somewhere or also in an exchange.

[58:27]

This is now my one suggestion or one idea. The next idea is for Doorstep to lay the foundation for a topic. So not a free speech here, but a topic. From every topic there are always different aspects. So you don't have to talk about the topic, but you could also expand the topic. The main point is, and I am very much for the young people to participate here, I have said that many times, And why is that so? Because my Buddhist principle means mutual dependence. And that is an unspeakable word, because dependence for us Germans is a very powerful term.

[59:33]

Maybe we should take a look at the text, but he translates it. What does it mean? Contemporary dependence means for me to inspire each other. And a young person can be inspired in the same way. Let's take a look. And in this respect, I would like to say again, a topic that can be discussed for all. And what you can exchange. Because I find this open situation particularly interesting and also very popular. Popular, point. I would like to say to Roshi, I would really wish that Roshi would hold lectures.

[60:59]

Because what we heard yesterday, like yesterday, It was a highlight for me, and I probably won't have to deal with it for a long time, what it means, what he said there. So that this... from him... Oh God, how do I say this now? That his knowledge... his knowledge... für uns nach wie vor wichtig ist. And there I would also wish, in some way that Roshia can determine for himself, that he continues to inspire us in some way with his Holy Spirit. What would be good if we meet, if this format should continue, that one teacher, and we have some here in Johanneshof, as a regulator, as something he can bring in, where he can maybe bring us somewhere on a different horse,

[62:40]

And I briefly talked to Christian about alcohol and told her that if she would participate, she would participate as a member. She would join us. I think it's very interesting, even if I can understand the following aspect, to talk to people who have been there for a long time. I personally find it interesting. Even if I'm just saying it, just to be there. Because just being thrown into the cold water, I think it's already an aspect, felt by Zen. And I think it's super interesting and I think it's super enriching. And if it's such an open thing, that you say who has a desire, who has a desire, can maybe do something. That's what I think. Sandy, do you mean to say something?

[63:53]

I would like to add, without wanting to say anything, just to be part of it. Then I have to ask Roshi, because I think Roshi could say something about whether that is good, so to speak. So I would like to... I just want to pick up a few posts, because there were things in there that really moved me. I'll start with Gerald, with what you said about your... I don't know, I can't describe it, but what it is, it fills me up.

[65:25]

And when I go past Buddha or even small things that just fill me up, Yes. Yes, I have also been alone in the center, when Chihun was killed and so on. But I can't say that the power is less there than when I was with you in Antioch. But that's what I was talking about. And, Susanne, what you said, understanding each other, this mutual inspiration, that works for me too, regardless of who I am.

[66:29]

being inspired to each other. So I'm inspired to that as well. I'm sorry. We don't have children. And someone has also said, when I see these little ones, or our little ones, then I am already so, that I am, I don't know, it really breaks me apart, and what kind of world they grow into.

[67:42]

And when I see you as young people, then I just wish, that you, it's like a snowball system, that what you bring with you is a force and an inspiration that you can continue to distribute in your circles. And yes, how it should go on without Roshi or hopefully with Roshi, of course, I also wish I hope that he will stay present. very, very helpful.

[68:51]

And my personal opinion is also, or I also heard from his words that he would like to continue to be there for us. And that's why I just think the way he is available to us sounds a bit stupid, but how he will be there for us, we should take that into account. I want to be present and available for us. I heard him say that he continues to be available for us. I want to have him decide that for himself. The one thing Gerhard said, the Geistology, I think you said, this is a center for Geistology.

[69:55]

And this is the most comprehensive thing that man has, the spirit. And here the spirit is trained, the spirit is trained, the spirit is developed, inspired. Geistology. This is the place. Insofern ist so ein Zentrum von großer Bedeutung. Das ist das eine, was ich sagen will, ohne dass wir wissen, was die Effekte sind. Bei Geistologie weiß man das nicht. Geistologie ist alles, was alles umfasst, auch das Ökologische. Das ist ja im Moment das, was im Zentrum steht mit der Umweltzerstörung. Dabei ist es noch die viertschwierigste ökologische Krise, die Umwelt, also die Klimawandel. But, Geistology is what contains everything. So that is definitely necessary. The second is much more pragmatic. If the future would be like that, my third question to Roshi would be, can you lead from the future?

[71:00]

But I'll say that again at the end. If the future, which we cannot foresee, That I am not a friend of wars. This is probably no one, although the question of the peace movement after 70 years of peace apparently has no relevance anymore. It is amazing that this is being forgotten. The human being is characterized by great forgetfulness. This has to do with the mind. Forgetfulness. So this is something that concerns me.

[72:01]

I was still affected by it. So, if the future is crisis-stricken, what do we need then? There is still a community. I talked about the Sangha yesterday. The Sangha is the only thing that people who come from simple circumstances do not belong to. Helping can to survive. That can be seen quite well in the book. There were some family systems that ensured survival. These are the, I say, individualized Sanghas. The fragmented Sanghas, the families. What is left of social connection What we need is, of course, an overarching, much larger bond, a much larger bond. Sangha is a small part that goes beyond these families, these close family ties.

[73:05]

It's an enormous treasure. If we manage to use the things that appear in Sangha, to use them in times of crisis, when those who say, up here sits a sect, And they have a very nice house. That's what we want. And they have a very nice garden where things can be built, where you can eat. After the war we had such situations. That's what we want. When such groups arise. They are already arising at the moment, except for the right group. These groups arise and they exist. If they decide to act violently, it is far safer to be in a large group. We know that from the monasteries, both the Zen monasteries and the Christian monasteries, that they had a chance. I think this could be a question that has a chance to survive, where also the people who have learned to be together in the Sangha, then also in this new, very crisis-ridden, outwardly, perhaps very difficult situation, can survive better than anyone else.

[74:22]

So that's the second thing I want to say. The third is the question that I have already answered. Can you lead from the future? It's a snooty.

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