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i like to introduce ha
yeah i think most of you know as much as i knew about her
i have asked her to i guess i will talk on or tell something about her practice on
partly on and she would like to on to have a dialogue with us and
answer questions and find out what we're interested in so on she'll say something that when she's interested in what she does
and can contact
thank you for coming
i have actually kind of through our friendship
right

i have to say i have prepared nothing's perfect
they did trainer is he got him
think about this except that i look forward to coming here

i think perhaps i'll tell you a little bit about something that happened to me recently in which seems to be of great interest to people
ha
i received from the full ordination
and and the i received a novice ordination and have a nine about nine years ago from on
his holiness cigar come on
no him but he would be had out the cardio lineage from which is one of the majors concept of federalism
and
he came to the west three times i've visited and the first visit i was ordained a second visit he suggested to me that it would be that idea to receive the full ordination
ah what's college transcript becoming for the next guy with the speaker
and so i felt like he was requesting that i should do that and so i thought that i work
but and i asked him what how that would occur if he said when he came back to the next time he was doing our nation
so it's like a seat that had been sown and the interesting that when came back for next time
as teachers will often do in the sort of from bewildering way of teaching time he informed me that he was not able to get that ordination that in fact that our nation has been lost for women and the buddhist tradition and then of this tradition
and
thousand and seven are mind boggling since i would have prepared me to do it in the company it didn't exist because they've obviously something that i guess that he had in mind for me to pursue
and because up in exploring it further turned out that actually even though at the time of the buddha
there was a bikini or nation and the first because he was the but his her aunt who had raised him some of some prevented some other
it had died out in all
what is traditions except chinese
and so after a lot of fuck captain work i found out where the ordination was being held and actually with the assistance of
the karmapa found out where the our nation has being health and i went to hong kong and we see
for ordination and that was out he can't go
so the reason this is of interest people is because ah
at this time for at a time or the transmission from healthy buddha's teachings in all the different branches from the east to west
and if people feel the power and significance campus time and also they sort of open question that is all the different on great masters from the japanese and chinese and korean vietnamese and all the different traditions southeast asia
asian come to the way there's some sense that just as in these different traditions these different countries buddhism developed as a pie flavor of japan on the flavor of tibet on the hazel china in the same way a seat is being sown here by all these great masters which will somehow
i'll become a flower that we're not quite exactly sure what the manifestation of the of buddhism in north america for instance but
there's a tremendous concern that the pure essence of the teachings which is deeper and before any cultural or ah
habitual standard drop that that pure essence of medicinal should be translated properly and correctly and fully to us here so that we all can now
fulfill our human potential just common sense of eye on buddha nature can be understood by us as cage of us as individuals so this occurs an absolute way and it occurs also a relative relatively and
and so this sort of time
karmic saying that i seem to have gotten involved in is one of the relative things that could be very helpful in of tank full tradition in monastic lineage for women as for condition exists for him so there's a sense that
ah in my own case now we're translating a lot of the com the for finding people to translate for texts the ordination texts from chinese into english and
other
novice nuns from that tradition as well as from the burmese tradition and i'm sure from other traditions that i don't know about are going to hong kong and exceeding your nation and in what it says in virginia is when a the cooney has held the ordination for ten
years that
to tear the critics of held his ordination if they are valuable and worthy of respect on their a novice nodes could come to them and received the ordination so there is a very real possibility that the our nation for nonce could have could be revived and for
the west now i'm very interested about zen tradition because what i'm talking about as an ordination which is essentially hit on ordination
and even though tibetan buddhism as verging on a condition and chinese buddhism is lying on the tradition still they have this hinayana ordination for both men and women but ah my understanding is that when the tradition went to japan they are
the whole ordination changed its flavor and became more totally mahayana from it isn't actually the equivalent in the same tradition
nevertheless what i feel about this is our significance of the
i made me aware of is that we are sowing a seed and how important it is that we as practitioners of
ha
understand ourselves on the true essence of with of to our own practice and dad
that we take a larger perspective on our own lives at our own practice that it isn't just a
a sense of what we're doing right now
but at what we're doing right now in the very moment actually it's so exceeds for the future it has to do with asked taking a perspective on our own lives from and sense of from birth to death and beyond that taking a perspective on what we do
and how we understand our practice
matters in terms of what will happen in a hundred years of buddhism in the west what will happen to hundred years five hundred years
the purity of the tradition of the essence could it
and
think it can be nationally that sort of major thing mostly to on a home in a just for us to talk together and i am very interested in them
for nasty tradition or lay tradition in
ten
practice as well in terms of this kind of thing
and seem i feel personally that from and i think this is controversial issue but i feel personally that traditionally and buddhist traditions there was on
culturally i have a prejudice against women and also pretty prejudice against lay people and that com
i myself am an a woman and monastic person
when i feel like the monastic tradition should be brought and but that could be good to bring it all without the prejudice some sense of the there's a real possibility of them had since it's new and
i feel that something myself that produce began swinging the only previous chickens lay people of needn't he brought along and my feeling is that all the teachers that i have met and studied with and listened to teach
each
because of their own
awakened the attitude that they
leave the cultural things behind and bring the essence took his country and so so give us shipping such perfect example of that transwell as itself
you could then teachers and lifestyle
some sense of wanting to bring the essence and curious about this funny little place here and they were asking how to actually bring the essence without necessarily having to be
founded by the culture
so it seems that that should the challenge for as a student and left is not that we're going to be inhibited in any way but rather how far can we go him from going beyond habitual tendencies and compare
it's beliefs and our cultural fixed ideas or identity of any kind
how far can we go and going beyond our identity as women on our identity as tibetan buddhists or identity even as buddhists or some sense of liberated from one
preconceived notion of reality
and i shall lead them to buddhism it's like an invitation to awaken from that sort of sleep of preconceptions and that the essence of it is get that
but then boys have to come back to how we lead our lives
and how would we made was one to know how we help people that are suffering how we are bringing from the
our meditation or the mind of meditation upon awakened quality right into our ordinary situations
raising our children going to work from nine to five or whatever it might be and all those things how we do those is not just a selfish thing
like i'm so that we can feel better but actually it is important for how the tradition will take us
glove

until i became aware of you are really have not even thought much about any difference from transmission seven around here this was one
and i hadn't really encourage me and so i wonder why you such are
to enormous question for what your stance on what's the difference between a man
the
i imagine that in the actual transmission that there's no difference because have been nature consumption goes beyond the differences
but then there's office them form
and
i haven't gone to the ordination in and china the for was identical
for the men we did everything fits together up until the point where we had to repeat our vows and then there's not a hundred more for women
the that characterised the those hundred well you know people make a big thing about these hundred and sniff at some tremendous
he knows the burden that the women are carrying these an extra one hundred but when you really look at them
they are mostly and don't have to give with effect that wound ministry and a certain roles and now and there's a rules about that women shouldn't walk out alone and that was because they would get rate and their way through his things like that they are very practical they're already did say you know
oh ye of lower berth and lesser intelligent
temperature although there are there are a few that are pretty loaded
i i i actually prefer to keep a very open mind about how those rules will be regarded in the actual reality situation for instance or and also it's very curious to contemplate why they came about in the beginning but when on
ah
by john mccain
and ah
received the ordination which at that point was simply her agreeing to keep eight major rules they all had to do with the fact that the women would have
that the men would have the higher authority so there's one which is very hard to swallow which he said he affirmed
if a inquiry has been ordained for one hundred years and now the crew has just been ordained that day she should still prostrate to him but he would never prostrate to her so needless to say for when that's hard to take but on the other hand
one has no idea i think in terms of how those things will actually happen is entirely up to the com
kind of awakened quality of the men and the wind at the time or the ordination begin to them
because buddhism tend to just reflect the
in is
and there's all any of most which are found in the in terms of particularly in the like burma and sri lanka penny on countries who the on a traditions
the to but even there were there most strictly adhered to
you just you know the ones that don't fit any longer you just you don't say you don't get you don't amend the constitution you own a man lavinia he just sort of tell all the handle monks and nuns that this this one isn't applicable and conquer
and then and so served from very much works like that so how it actually would be translated country and because a lot of to has a lot to do with the
kind of fun
intelligence and compassion and ah
awake quality of the because for the clooney's at the time from the ordination of take flight
so that sounds seems like a challenge for from
people not to use these things to develop their aggression or their poverty but to simply her
ha
decide to come from your life
proceeds from probably don't want to drive
for the sake of all thank you
at that kind of attitude that since you have good nature exists in you and all others
one is gonna take an attitude in the way around
what i guess practical question for their practice
especially for the personal record current situation which just having a golden family
what does one do you have the strictures of the family structure and the local side of is practicing say five and one five
and
also what you can do if the rest of your family life interested in practice and what you're interested in distress but we then with hunters to the summer
but your own the community we can we live and work is not practical know how to fully resolved
those different aspects when you say the community here in a domestic situation yes plus naval stations
imagine this is a question mark people have
how to
what for instance in in teachings of a commercial so such a familiar theme as well as and teachings of the bio kitchen show their true colors shapes such as a familiar same about
paying attention and caring about the key cancer carolina
and so much sort of meditation and action instruction and sense of caring for instance the article in your newsletter at this time of that the from she'd come to that and father and the vegetables and how caring for all living things and all things have been good in nature and
and
but award that comes up a lot in know the teachings of children children and shares are developing an inquisitive attitude for are subsets of appreciation for all details of your life caring about your shoelaces and and your to fashion and noticing how you wake up
in the morning as
how you relate with your children have all the little details of your life and
it seems like com
when i gave talk and boulder i i i talked about mandola principal and that
that in the sport was very important what was in the center of the on that the image was of a want a lot ah
with a center for the french and that on it wasn't the sense of hierarchy and usual sense but of the interdependence and the center
and and what was at the center was very important
that if on
once career was at the center but then prompt somehow they would be no journey towards the lakers actually happening if once a family was at the center i would be no journey towards actually awaken it forms on practice was at the center
that would actually be no journey towards waking but if at the center for some sense of calm meditative perspective or
open mind curiosity sense of bootable for completely inquisitive always opening always ah
ah questioning that with the questioning that young children have been wanting to know
taking an interest then once domestic situation became a vehicle for line forms career or
a guy a student became vehicle for enlightenment and once on a meditative practice meditation from the vehicle might work but all of these things in themselves if they were actually at the center could become fixed can out of balance and we all we all assume actually that
practice should be at the center and in sense that's what i'm saying but we all know how practice can become a very out of balance have some practitioners actually use it as a way to keep himself secure and to keep away the world and instead of
living fully an opening them with each day have you know how beginning to understand wind of the creature they practice can become a sort of them
ah our way of keeping yourself separate or it can become a way off
became more dogmatic and if it's inquisitiveness and openness at the center which tends to come from practice that kind of mine it's usually only connected with her practice but if it is that openness that's in the center then
the potential know is everything waitress is fair and the sense of
the mark of the practitioner is that when become softened and less dogmatic and less actually sort of them clinging to one's beliefs and more able to learn from other traditions or able to learn from other cultures and were able to just have one's own version or point of view
constantly undercut in the most positive sense of
holy relating
sort of developing a role in which it has that kind of flexibility which
otherwise if way she couldn't never come to san francisco bench and i took a trip up could have never come to the boulder because the students were of such wild savage savages
and both of them took the approach of
adjusted entering in entering in
and
the think so inquisitive and figuring out and they trying to bring out the sanity of they both of them senior people
and actually sort of delighting and painting on table or patients you can really get including but not like we're going to make you into or this is wrong but somehow much more general so generous features of subjects but on the other hand never cultivating or from
every once in a row since or once i figured it made no changes name notion to know or once dogmatic quality it's always
some kind of sharp for a soft way
giving one a practice that we can do to connect conference own awake and wine
in little ways to look again look again
so
her that's an absolute point of view answer your question is more generally to think you do have to practice daily even if it's very brief you have to sort of connect with almost the transmission said given to you her first from your teachers how to meditate some of connection
we're inviting your teacher into your domestic situation by city
and we call it that mind it's just like actually if you liked the incense you're inviting
there are teachers right into your kitchen into your fashion in here bedroom
inviting literally almost physical presence has been invited so to practice every day is crucial
but maybe one has to be before it has young children more difficult
scheduling situation maybe one has to be extremely flexible about how long will kinda bad for half where one can do that
and then it seems also that
as long as there's time begin to whenever there's com
provided that it's not going to destroy your family situation to do intensive practice like do shame once a year
something about if possible when the children are very young sometimes it's actually the only have one vacation a year maybe you have to go to
discipline
when they get older they could use to the fact that what you do
once a year once a year my mother or my father said session and don't getting telling their friends they can play two years ago began to once a year my mother my father
four times a year for america
so intensive process so important but i think
we our lives have a periods in them and we also also have those individual karma situations
so today i was talking with a woman who said she was so resentful of her whole life share this wonderful little baby who actually we were together for was holding the baby never cry and i thought working on we with been and but she was going so resentful because her
husband on goes to school and works and if you're just doing housework because he's so completely caught up in whole situation and i'm sure that something was going to be shocked by what i said to but i said i thought she should run
since she didn't want to leave her husband and she had young children and she was resentful that she never had to go into private can save resentful mostly what was assistant strong resentment you know that was the main thing justice tanker and i said and she's japanese concept
and she showed me a picture program without saying why don't you just take this period of your life with next five years that your husband's can be doing this and explore this whole japanese tradition of woman lightness and why don't you just hear you have this time and will never had this time again wanted to explore
for all the ancient traditions of only minutes and make us a very rich time that way and just instead of resenting the whole thing going to just agree with it and make it
how and rich and then five years from now the children are older and they're gone and the husband's for this and you know you might want to stick with it but then you haven't been refining you have to go around it
why you know to the people and this your life has sort of these natural times of fan that now seems like
to some kind of
we're listening nine percent correction and then actually making whatever is happening with you
a dharma

you are salmon of them off that and ten years after the through our nation
we'll be able to
with other not to run the have fully ordained be able to transmit elimination yourself so we have to eight nine years past them in this country wrestling is combat your now this quotation that first the way it for the way the nails says it although people
as the tradition with from country to country and slight changes but the way it stated in the video is that you take now this ordination can hold it for two years
or if you it were ordained as a young child play them walk current on have to be at least twenty after either two years of novice for the age of twenty if you've been an opportunity to and honestly lotta years to get twenty then you could be ordained and said the grew up in coding
so you do have to have been on his first which makes a lot of sense because some people think monastic traditions for them and then they for damage isn't particularly in any other coordination which and watch and could celibacy it's or lot less it's a lot less worldly than the present ordination because you could sell to see
i and not being married anymore you can't continue your domestic situation and it's much more separate than events and tradition
so obviously people could be wanting to escape from the difficulties of relationship for all kinds of reasons why they think they would like to come with no luck
so as to year thing is actually very good
and then now you can take former patients with madam this find that i was coming from know is can they can about how the ordination and change in this country when the first group of
for day nuns would be transmitting the after
then launches into that probably with present themselves at the time that it seems to me you said you had had these five and was of what this country's consider know
peripheral country students feel for not one of the barricades nine and suddenly you send it to a certain way
comey them for the less than north american ear and which we could have five nance oh yeah how is it oh and i said was in oregon return to read and studied if a little like reading about ancient egypt or something you know even though it's living tradition in many places it's difficult to find out exactly how words and when the p m
when they've been cooney trend tradition actually went to china it went from salon and china and
because there were no nuns from china
they five celanese encodings came to show and twenty transmittance so it says in there that you should have ten but that's where the whole thing is fully established and
what are you know what's been going on but there's some assumption that it's beginning you may not their new a no feed can that exist and so it could do five if it's figure forget how we say our land border lamp in africa
so then if someone were gonna be fully ordained a you a couple of nonsense now tendency of come from ten on and folder
been busy has i want one because was fun of them
possibly that's or rather country with kookaburra ocean what they were the people here have to go to china until well they have to go over there and they have to go to china and go through the hall three ordination process in china
which is interesting because
sean home tomorrow
he does and a common or city of ten tons of buddhism well this is interesting
he does and
and i would very much like to go and take part in them if he would allow me to are very that you have communication with him at all know from first to they are very difficult to communicate in any of you here have a relationship with city can be very difficult for the umpires now
an incredibly difficult to try and make any kind of contact with him but i don't know why but
and everybody where i can sort of sense why everybody wants to go to where they feel that it's probably the closest to the for the origin because as as you know that eight and buddhism particularly tibetan and japanese tradition it's a lot of emphasis on
on direct transmission
and that and so to go to taiwan or hong kong has continued
direct transmission i guess there's some fear that mr was might not be although that's his whole thing is how authentic ambiance you know
and they are actually doing it there
and i'd like to see
but we're all being said
cross the ocean
and
then there's other things which is translating the ordination picks as i said and also learning how to perform them now he could be the if you give the flag for instance if i could make a connection with and which was a friendship which i have a feeling i would have to be very committed and actually sort of go be with them for awhile and
it's hard to do that because it means you never get to do your own practice because they do a lot of fun circumambulate an enchanting and prostrating it's it's a different flavor on lens and or
tibetan sitting practice
but i would have to make a good relationship with them and then maybe possibly be willing to teach us you have to enter or nations yet know where to stand and when when to hold and somebody which thing and to balance to walk out of the growing concern what am i can sense anymore the contest
we have to learn now and this point your audience to learn through time
yeah it's nice to have that
shocking when you do this time pernicious very simple
the attitudes
come out from and come off
can come over cover for how can we can they can access the check
so she's been speaking about never
i the same tradition in central florida
back more timber via the
her native born
section
how long does it take
was intended as actually didn't we don't do it in sensor them to read i'm going to refer to him
and
it should take about a week
how it should be a lot of meditation
but
yeah she was doing it to ensure that we have the time and set up to do that then
the baker and she wants to do work correctly
that's something
well now the basis later and it would be good i think a lot of people feel that and
there's got to go back to them
the original traditions as much as possible because of the purity of the transmission
cause there's so much power transmission it's just like her
it's like a gift together to
and that you can once you've had transmission of any kind for you are a practice you can reconnect with that sort of sense of where the ancient powering
awakedness it's like a gift given to us so there is a lot of handling them the more closer to of
but on the other hand the wonderful thing about buddhism is that from it's always fresh and the form and are ways of connecting us with a up with the nature or
if somebody like that it's not like kitchen with a dog to talk it's more like waking up here
at head
nature heart attack
which is in chapel from you at any rate and just needs to be sort of connected
and people sense that all the time but on the other hand this
boy so
always going to help ourselves
the restaurant
it was almost the same up until on the actual time where we had to come when just like the code or it wasn't exactly the end of the ceremony but it was almost the end than we went in separate groups what you do actually to go traditionally you would you would go
and you'll be asked all these questions
ah about your sexuality was a lot of them that sexuality like are your her month in aphrodite do you have sexual organs of men and woman are you a demon they sound of it is really gives you some wondering about the time sources yeah you can change and question
and then some very practical ones like i do you have your parents permission and already twenty years old and do you have any debts and character you know that left behind and what are you crazy
however
and there's ah to get the number but disappointed lot of lot of these questions and traditionally it was like i'm very like a true questioning they would actually ask you these things and they would actually think we examine you and all these things and then to business or something that it
no man when it's part of the ordination but now it's allies
but at that point
kelly went to separate members and i think those questions actually identical for the little women because weren't any then refer to you know that there was anything that familiar with i'm actually i'm sure they were the because i was brought back on the texts and then and then we we go upstairs and at that point
work on the sidebar bows and some of that those are the major works at the same but then there's different ones for home
and then we got together again and went on with the conclusions
person is one the koreans and from the japanese have shown interior time i was wondering about have any ideas and i think the at the music is who closer to cry into was trying to think several in korea
and so wrong size one monastery in korea the are a number of western moved from silver pen
how then fully retain with five six seven years and i was wondering about ah what the possibility was
and if it had to be american women for any western woman or any clarity recluse who could initiate this practice will the are
everyday novices
in america or anywhere in the list
you mean whether it could be a mixture say of three image that it oh yeah yeah you know zero as modified give if
i suppose it remains to be seen a lot of thing remains to be seen in a memo notes but of the say
three women that i know in in strictly you to that new tradition when it received this ordination
one is english from american and one his son
chairman
you can one of the things too it seems like were just have the beginnings of the possibilities were on the sex of the person might not matter as much as the cast of from coming out of a technical term care and the that the potential for this will see that you're talking about and
and that seems like very much up to us i mean for instance
it seems some tremendous challenge them to get
to use the situation to build our question who that you have some sense of vulnerability and openness
getting back to like some of the sutras have these wonderful stories i think they're all mahayana sutras but of activity
the a realize to a bikini or realize to woman
teaching and then the work say
if you're so soon realized how come you don't have a man's body and then the whole essence of the teaching scheme for that found that in the process of the dialogue the once pointed out is it's the identity to ones or witness or maleness which is actually hindered this hindrance to fracking nothing was buddha nature
and the actually using this vehicle of prejudice against women to undercut of prejudice you didn't say a big picture
so it's telling that one the other night whichever were
i actually forget the name of the sutra that faith the yeah woman change is it but it's a dialogue i think with sharing putra and do you knows what where and she she changes form with the show putra he becomes her in her body and she becomes him and this totally sutra so
as that he checked he attains a full realization at that point because he realizes that it has nothing do with form of with identity with one has as obstacle to pull awakening and then they came back again
and she already understood that so so actually you know that said idea of taking seemingly prejudice or obstacles from buddhist point of view sometimes that's where you can learn the most if a buddhist practitioner who has a strong aspiration to wake fully and helps and things gets fixated
and stuck sometimes that might be the greatest learning point because there is this aspiration but because of some kind of karmic in human if you get overly fixated on this is the only way or some kind of
and then teacher comes along or teaching situation comes along and because it was so song or it's gone
porn actresses who data
why
prejudice actually could be tremendous vehicles from waking up performance at exploration azusa
customers japanese women in yeah
that
i don't know but it struck her as a great idea has a voice and she already see has tremendous inclination that when she's already into a
cafe cubano a tea ceremony and when she has a love connection with heritage but it wasn't kind to her that
it could actually make her situation much more enjoyable and rich and she couldn't actually learning the lockdown
you were talking
interesting journey talking
do you one more specific example help
to summarize will be thing to use her resentment because certain way to bring out we went to me
so
this so i'm not exactly team where did you exactly the the protection well she just show me this picture of her grandma who is this beautiful woman the kimono very traditional sitting on
with her son next to her within a western three-piece suit in this picture was taken away in nineteen
walking night games that in japan and somehow it just occurred to me that not to use her resentment but actually to soften her in that sense of she felt so completely which is very familiar feeling traffic situation and occurred to me that she had a lot of accessibility to
finding out the the art of since she was there a lot of time with her children in her household and terms of cooking and and
working with the house and and then i don't know how far the deep for tradition is i suggested she explore this whole tradition and fifteen in her heritage of a woman lenis which is very rich and the japanese tradition and even explore you know ask her old relatives and things of
that traditional japanese family's and how they were set up and actually start to explore that whole thing and bring it into her own life with ah
a lot of inquisitiveness encourage curiosity that how it could enrich your life
and how could
the a clickable from from twentieth century
joe encouraged to explore yeah to to explore the best top of a sort of lineage that she was already part of
mostly what it has to do with i think is lightened the sense of resentment or grudge that weren't has against the life that one is for eating
and then the to motion says the so often as some sense of you know isn't the situation actually except in extreme cases
it's often the situation that how to change its ones on perspective or once state of mind a change of
as we know our postal it's very familiar that are two typical same kind of very similar situation in their lives for instance on
i'm one of my mother's old his friends has always been a tremendous inspiration to me she was she and her brother were abandoned when they were children they spent their whole early life and foster homes and then on she had an early marriage to someone that and who she still narrative but it was never a sort of relation
chip of our passion but more just arranged if was only share you could say so boring kind of five by a kind of exciting standards and then want it then her second child is retarded
and
and he didn't you still you know he's twenty five or twenty eight years old and he's a retarded and she's bringing bringing him up all her life now we know people who situations are sort of like that and they are bitter and resentful and mary from some reason but that's hamlet hamlet
mary is she sheep appreciate everything because she realized how bad it could be she you know you'd give her something she i've never eaten this before this against wonderful she just sort of any takers a place in effect this is this so interesting look at this time rather than i and it's somehow be
cause it was hard she appreciates when things are she appreciates a limbless thing
so what's the difference here just some sense of inquisitiveness for appreciation the chain actually have left
can change their situation
seems like best food basis
release to approach once problems like the problem solved
that's cargo great pics and gentlemen seem like
the conflict really cost of your friends and we started before
frequently people talk about to conflict family
situation
there's ways to
degrade them
with practice practice is very key thing because really work it comes down to is how you regard yourself and this question of my tree this award my to used in ten tradition
loving kindness towards attention
yeah
the word much local merchants for the different kind of surprised when so i mean is it that developing that attitude of them
ah
that first chromosome my tree or loving kindness towards oneself and the natural extension of that or that ah
just a natural extension of that is compassion
and that as long as you
haven't made a sort of completely good relationship with oneself i suppose that some
that no one's self as to forget oneself as long as you're sort of everything is either ain't seen as a threat and have to protect yourself or as a sort of reward and you have to congratulate yourself there's always this defense system that actually keeps you separate it
actually think case duality and maintains you know that's where passion a question in the news conference and said some fun
having to
keep the world
reliable and have it not attacking you or
keep it comfortable so my tree for developing a completely cooked good relationship with yourself is actually keep this whole thing
and we have tremendous freedom that's the point and then his fate of kitchen
two
discover
our really good in nature and that's the other thing which i'm sure is
it for all good is true tradition since that there's no suggestion that you should become someone else or that you show them
try to be better but more sense of settling down with like japan and that been enough and that the wisdom has actually have herod what you've already discovered that by simply sitting down south
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that's how we were practicing how we're tries to look at our lives friends who was specifically
some example for was too
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have you good example the a booty shorts phone
who is not so much concerned with from his personal problems as we dissolve and his personality or this methodology so
actually problems yourself
so you know if they might have people come to practice in order to help themselves that when you consumer practices you know that how you can transfer that helping yourself tapping other people
and then when you come to really understand and buddhism
yeah just to put be just put our energy into buddhism
and yammering about yourself you never much that can take care of practice yourself in a practice takes care of you can take people
the toilet
two
not worry so much about yourself
know what your energy into practice and you really can virginia and problems and
wooden crates and donald
i know it's easy to say that said
for what you're saying is that
he's like it you just kind of take care
not precise her personality structural problems is kind of
you saw themselves but the two ways out that may not even bigger focus for before gets from with passion to come that's of actually have to see the thing has to until you actually do turn to practice he always wondering
it's very few people actually do turn to practice of even though day around it
the to be able to just drop
your stuff
condition then enter into practice until you can actually do that you still have a lot of problems
when you say pakistan mean like all the time to play in mind i mean is before you direct your activity to you know how you live your life gap
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what their various practices in buddhism
or asked me so
gas reserves and
the
i haven't yet some dialogue with teacher
and then since it that extending into hundred acres source of interior all your activity so that whenever you're doing is is
for practice
so you don't really have a personal life in a sense of
like you are describing
the mandolin can we were we supposed to haven't been down and something's from the affirmative and on and other things are in the periphery
and if your career isn't the center of the metallic that if you know i found it was charging problem isn't desired practice itself into that sad even though there are problems the problems are common practice
yeah that's right everything becomes everyday because practice instead of different problems instead of becoming separate it becomes practice
but which is the same thing i met were saying it because vehicle for waking up
same thing it's like and then actually sense of obstacle it's like i'm
challenge then like yeah opportunity for inspiration and i say that changes here like members came so far
subsec a scientists have some kind of affirmation
rather than their i use of or a grudge is so prevalent here
and hand there's also the the thing which is that actually we are incredibly much of archipelago is extremely good one
you know in terms of i
physical situation and our from that is this point-in-time no war waiting around said and we have all these freedoms but people don't come and knock on the do i take us away which happens in many countries in the world and not only that we've heard the driver
net great teachers for have accepted assistants and are willing to work a person you know it's it gets
children rushing saying that the foolish at this time he felt that it the very equivalent to the time of the buddha himself that there was so many great masters teaching students in the last that some kind of freshness and he felt that he said that
new all i could get so caught up in your individual sense of problem said that you should realize that
in this sense of selling seeds and they said they'll probably find me
because some sort of things have fallen apart and something to be more
and that's actually turn basically they say that one of the market of the buddha is that he chooses his time for and then there's the sewing the script in such as it says that
shastras or it says that but i chose that time because the fact that for unsettled and some kind of questioning and openness and this is a similar time
when we are you
oh
and then like killing
it's really
investment
rather than name or
in one to protect vulnerable amazing and it's impact
when you say it's completely true is that that seems like it's so easy a woman
gather them that would fit for them whether they're can now a whether the the amount of this area very often in this week's that your completed in that cell phone and just doesn't they still try to be like
to get them from their reproductive fell within your own condition
natasha will have replica have spirit by moving everything that point
so what would you
and they it should separate for
so the thing and we already
yeah from our current the spirit you know
hence to
well intensive something recognition very ancient
but what would you take that in separate
ah
i know why don't actually know there are over religion came from our nation and our division and
you know it's not so much people think of wouldn't take precedence
take on always
prohibition
the rules that actually down
and then or invention
there are ten prohibitory present because says you don't do these things
down
and there are six presents which you do do
and
have a positive effect in this negative aspects
the ordination and preferences for an event is like a guideline
it's not rules
they're not there are no group had just
guidelines can precepts is something that
if you're out
nero awareness
what you do on each moment
and there's no one tell you what you should do what should do
but it has to come from inside of you that
it comes from the inside out
and real present
i am recently take our and no way of bring that out
the kind of have something catalyst to bring out your desire to that correctly
every situation
and can know it to unrelated of hundred way through we call the presets for one minute visit
since you connected with everything you should have appreciated and our everything and in inclination did it many wanted to take it encourages in and i'm dr which are valid better myself
you're saying so and nine eleven if it was very and episode of that weakens them like an insane
you can do not in in and lame precept in sensitive
the same and pretty precepts ballo in are traditionally million people take
the an escaped by precept and monks takes sixteen down
aren't some some lesser man
play people take that in our practice remember takes to save presets
it's not them
there's no real distinction made between way people can not this story suzuki roshi
set it up
for instance no distinction really between monks and lay people that towards precepts
i actually read some more easily by circular show where he said that he he express some curiosity in terms of how lay and monastic we're going to a sort of evolved in the west and he felt they would be different and he said something that paper we could come up with isn't of clothing new rules for something i can't know that i
because i think it's actually and nine because there's mine right if the last me with the last se is insane
but he left it instead of open question but he felt like it was ordinary people have been to kind of different
in the revolving firmware that they wouldn't the in japan said the remarks or monastic people they'll lay people that he felt that somehow the west was going to more combination and i feel that too
our friends tibetan today very interesting
purple shows just telling me he said in a bad
lay people didn't practice
i i was complaint and i would say i think we're all that spot the the of practice and he said we're doing very well an interesting for you all somewhat shorter on each other's anoxia going here he said you're going for will sit in tibet like people just didn't practice and then he had you are often small
monastery became a nerve and work and your practice and said here people are from doing anything at all said that's very good so don't be so hard on people in this current keep encouraging in their wakefulness in there
sincerity and they're good practice and and penniless state of mind reading practice and everything
in return they should bring your crop work to your country
the government
especially right now
the
is it crazy how you better
seems like that complete lack of a
if one has that it was one has since of empowered from justice select out of sorts of a one has been extremely brave and they to be a
and maybe one is the and navy worms fly on an otherwise and that can be no healthy see if people aren't willing to for the best of their ability to express their point of view in just left school you know try to minimize such a grudge but and definitely try to more than i submit resumes i'm
if it's gonna come right along with your true
and that's why you have to be willing to be a fool but if people are cowards then then were selling seeds or cowardice
and we get a lopsided buddhism
based on this groups point of view the the the boulder once point a deal on the cowards never spoke out and maybe you know coward said something been less lopsided
so you have that it's good way to becoming over
basically
the event from you true experience of eagle is basically pretty cell phones can be taken to yeah close
of and it is really wonderful he said and i i think that know we get and yet so concerned about whether the people will think what are you will think the what other people in it will thinking that we can to we think that the sign that the teacher ought to be
our support and ought and give us the answer them to support we need to those so far
and the actually as lines we think that way and in altruism is nothing will will happen and that we have this opportunity on vagina lowered a child i know that was wonderful anti-hero and i
and the it would take it takes a woman he should give it the answer i have to admit you know that but
this ireland
maybe maybe you know if you know yeah it takes easier to pick answer him and he said
the for something that i think we can we convince the hiroshi would say his way maybe you could tell her that
you know with as if you are she said that kind of thing to us on would i know he said something things like that to me but i got oh dear
if you know if you know it so japanese and then
you know and it was many years later that i could appreciate that he really saw what you know that you know this was you know just what i need to do and here i was in this situation and i was trying to escape it
kind of pointless just red with blood
and that was very helpful to me as time went on and on
lot of things that would come up in i could i'll keep trying to hundred fifty friends and like crack now and so how could it be practicing that the will get full that forms i think we think perform as the thing and if know if you hit the road to that people in the didn't know and
people sitting on the film is that must be what is candidates would get real extent
and then and so often you get the angry with our teacher because he doesn't understand something we think he doesn't understand some of and or go and go with an attitude that own
he's not gonna like this
this is i think it's not going to like and he's kind of that and sure no thanks your head i'm confident
they're not know like it
and it's very high and i added up to somehow presents a me think i might just as i might be creative you know this is not see i just can't get around
maybe you are great looking around me
if he will tell you there
but it's very important than a very maybe it just kept it to articulate anyway and say out loud yeah and it's a it's take some kind of bravery but it's so you know and i'd say how to be willing to be a fool because sometimes you don't really have sort of silly something isn't until you presented to your teacher for the other hand sometimes you don't really have profound
something is
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it's very important that you know
the cowards we don't want and enjoy couch or the theistic that slightly theistic you know idea of a feeling that someone else was gonna do it for you
that's how the largest obstacle
on the other hand you know it's not like you're building yourself up well yeah and one hand you
tomato find out for ourselves and the other hand you look to your teacher for for some sort of confirmation that know i'm right so for this i think there's some kind of built in paradise very you know and so if your teacher thinks you're off the track now and it's consistent now on you to maybe even a teacher
or
you know
going
program for me radio
i really really
no not regret
isn't there a in careless with or are
it form doesn't matter
i was also aware that you and telling your story so that you did a piece of crap
it's everything i will add another region was not confirm but i see i didn't realize that there wasn't a foreign nation for me i took more information from me that was becoming unemployed
so that you could go
i'd like to ask for a foolish question and ordination
no
what i mean i don't really know
i figure that that's going to be one of the major questions that my life was falling out me
i just know that
i was drawn to that and for me it represented
or one point us or directing on whole energy for practice
rather than having it
fact if that's what i had in mind and one directly my whole energy sort of like have a passion for wanting to find out for to wake up and being it up sort of junction and my life where i could have christmas been chosen to remarry and then start that hong same or
or in the seventeen subordination and actually purposely wanting to just go for understanding that single straight path
on our hands on
oh my that hasn't been actually what's happened with me because and in some sense and is what's happened but it hasn't been like a preconceived it because there's no monasteries at this point and now when i saga for me at this point so in fact i've found out much more about what what you are talking about in terms of that all being practice and that's why
why i feel i have a real good understanding of lay practitioners practice even though i'm physically know
netscape elimination but then i also can see the tremendous value of assam mom monastery
where one could have
whole heartedly simplify everything formal practice and it's do that and that the environment would be extremely strong and community credit great deal to anyone who walk into it and that lay practitioners can come there and take temporary precepts and actually
one poignantly
go fortune abbreviated carry to time and then bring that
discovery into get all
so that's what of how i see it and i think it changes during historical periods in this historic the current there's so much chaos and suffering and political unrest and
destruction but with that seems like even people who choose monastic way have to commit themselves to
standing out
everything that's understood to have to be shared with other
whereas the other courage of time it was a whole times where the most appropriate action seem to be started to retreat and people in cave and monasteries and some sense of retreat and at that time nablus for the most appropriate blaze depend on
hit both men and women has a footprint going for one second this in the arab nation in chinese ordination there's three parts to it the first picked up precepts you know you've taken before and then you take them for think
look at coordination and many more to take that they referred to as my eye coordination with mahayana precepts
and in order to
prove you're sort of capacity to take on suffering of sending a game
your head is shaved and you and they burn incense on the bed and three six nine or twelve
incense with foreign and from or down and scholarly scars so that i think this is also true in korea does you have to be it's true so uncertain tradition if you look at the heads of the monks for the nuns
see the scar there
and when they pay for thoughtful in china and in a purely in of charm tradition that they take vote itself without laypeople you see these burns on their arms
we get burns winners from the case of i can
that points a new tradition
what else can maybe they do for component in and they don't
so i would like that of an appropriate
minutes ago i really found that is it was difficult things and commitment when against the grain village but
so you can't completely you it is no i didn't know till i got there just before i went one of my friends and motor said
you know i'm really focus on
and you know they just things i burn candles on their heads and i on hand fingers are you going to
okay
whatever i'm getting into so when i got there i said
very greatly over you burn candles on your head
very said
just innocent
the
yeah three and three of course joseph more more
of pressing issues
three six
the they of course because of being part of their tradition and much had a lot more meaning for them most of them choke twelve comes them more it could have less than the air
what exactly was she
but not
in the and you're chanting it's all ritualized and
you know that is a tremendous form to another thing some
instead of screaming you're chanting the name of buddha
the loud
that way
they are transmitted to your initiative because i don't think so you see because i have been for you hopefully and but i don't think so because the
in the except in the chinese tradition that they just stop with the the current the coding rendition that was added in china and transmitted i think to korea and vietnam i'm not really sure i don't i'm not really sure about them or nations that i've been i'd love to
go to all these different an investor world google gonna hate us cuz hit the same tradition
he's carefully in then therefore you mentioned to joke one time we found here to do tricks and put up his shirt and have the scar from weren't pregnant before it burned beads
they are just really your and
they they showed me his like just as if i wasn't nervous enough a few days before the m the four nations ceremony actually began
armonk visited from taiwan and they said look he gave his finger for burn because the printed because he affirmed his finger right then was no
i'm putting another you could have you know if it's just a different tampa
some people don't vote and if you've ever sat in the zendo and you hear that they hit me with a stick
if you think so you can't really judge traditions from an outside the traditional
but now do anyway so you remember
the to that tradition one hundred thousand
you know if there's a little taste of this in all conditions
purifying itself
a different question you feel that are three

a life like you're talking that daily continual practice practices being very necessary can you see that the feds of them on lay life is being enough work you need a to be you very intensely practicing i think ideal
and you should every year as much as possible having an effect of act as well and feels like he said like is shave yeah but you need to carry it you like it like a year period or two year period
in a monastic kind of situation
i know
i know tradition labour is always built in that that he actually took time out and interesting in know in burma sri lankan supports all men take over a year i don't know how long can become monks for a period of time and
i'm in tibet
a third of the population were in monastery
primarily monastic tradition and in an old with the situation in japan while them conclusions conclusion to depend on the time for know in the time of the most sort of flourishing

oh
arctic traditions and
the wind is now
that's very much of a families
business
and so on revised turn on are around for the
remember about from thousand children
people who you want with turbans are sec
and certain children
the oldest to youngest
to the monastery for turn three years the air from a year to three years now they come back and take over the family temple the lots of of in on hierarchical small temples larger off often and monsters
ah
they are many many small temples and in the small tables to administrative the family
commander with the of the that the training
a monastery and then they come back out to take over them eventually american temples and that system keeps rejuvenated
ah so the quite a number of months ago to them
monastery then come back down to the monastery is not a place where you stay but it's me to train as here's a company
like or it was interesting i had a very interesting conversations with before coming out here
but with men that i work way too that will work my one of the jobs i do in folder is planning practice and study program crawler different on the doctors and and training and meditation and structures and developing study comprehensive you know ways as
making the dorm accessible to the new york city in philadelphia all over different places
and one of the major took a calculated because visiting boulders in the city where machete or be met and when he was here but his visit and peacock a lot of about retreats and intensive practice and things on either such a logging wanna just take time out and
very very long treat and so for my friend and i was told me it was very interesting he said he also felt exactly that same morning he said that you know a hand flooring that
that for myself and then i felt this was true for myself performance that health going for myself something very strong practitioner has a very strong family practice and the complete play dedicated practice spending needs is close to a monk as you could come without being one and is said i a feeling for myself that
by keeping up my daily practice than doing short retreats that up my practices and deepening more by staying out here and having to work with people on the time and being put on the spot and some challenge of being able to communicate dorm at the other news in the challenge of
no domestic situation and challenge of
what you think your your buddhism your hearings constantly being a challenge and so he said he felt for himself that that was the best way for them to deepen his practice and he said maybe some point i'll get to appointed my focus in my practice will be so realized that there
when by i should go a more retreat and and deepen further but he felt that actually being in the world is the best way for him to a realization david this realization or life in himself and when he was saying it even though i had this morning so badly going to treat a sense that that was the scene for me
because he said like ours the peace it's he has a
our family and
works he doesn't have to come to work from knew that or we were together larger doctor so he practiced usually from one to three hours a day but not can't always do that but general practices from one to three hours a day but he has a very meditative sort of mind
and he's very much one of these people that working with him he sense the possibility of everything being
that all everything as practice just sort of sees it that way they are there for the could actually
the experiences challenge as practice rough edges with practice and things not agreeing with him as practice and he kind of russia gets added to see little yeah yeah
yeah i love working with me
very excited
because we have to do all this you know
you know
practical kinds of things off to compare programs and can strengthen everything and he's always in a or things like
come on that's just obstacle mentality or totally like that and then he changes in rehab the instead of just hate this has the way of seeing practice been practicing milk communicate
vanessa
taught me along
living
thank you very much

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