Talking To His Disciples About His Illness
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Sunday, October 9, 1971
In His Room, City Center, San Francisco
In the discussion, the theme revolves around an individual sharing updates about their health diagnosis and reflections on life. The individual humorously identifies as a "lazy monk" while explaining a recent shift in their health diagnosis from hepatitis to cancer. This update is given to an audience of disciples in a casual, intimate setting, with exchanges marked by both humor and gravity.
- The individual was initially diagnosed with hepatitis but after prolonged symptoms, further medical investigations suggested a probability of cancer. This revelation came after various diagnostics, including liver and chest imaging at Mount Zion Hospital.
- With no dietary restrictions anymore, there’s a sense of relief expressed about freely enjoying food and beverages, despite the serious nature of the illness. This liberty in diet symbolizes a broader acceptance and coming to terms with the situation.
- Throughout the discussion, there is an ongoing encouragement for the listeners to be prepared for any outcome and to live in accordance with the Buddhist Bodhisattva ideals, emphasizing flexibility and responsiveness to the needs of others.
- References to discussions and physical tiredness indicate ongoing engagement with the community, albeit acknowledging physical limitations.
This dialogue is as much about imparting the final teachings and reflections on living in accordance with spiritual beliefs, as it is about candidly sharing personal health struggles.
AI Suggested Title: "From Hepatitis to Cancer: Reflections of a Lazy Monk"
Source: City Center transcript by Barry Eisenberg. Entered onto disk by Jose Escobar, 1997. Transcript checked against tape and made verbatim by Bill Redican (2/9/01).
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File name: 71-10-09: Talking To His Disciples About His Illness (Verbatim) low
SR: Hai.
Student: Francis sent this--
SR: Hmm?
Student: Francis--
SR: Francis. Yeah.
Student: -- sent this to you and a card.
SR: Lazy master. [Laughter.] I am sorry.
[Scattered exchange among Suzuki, students, and Okusan-- approximately 30 seconds.]
SR: My arm hurts, you know. Just a moment.
[Okusan speaks in Japanese.] Don't be so serious, you know. [Okusan speaks in Japanese.]
My doctor Makura [?]-- [Okusan speaks in Japanese.] Hmm? Oh.
Student: He's coming.
SR: Hai. Good morning.
Okusan: Dozo -- .
SR: I am so sorry to be so lazy monk [laughs], but-- because my doctor, Makura, you know, thought I was hepatitis, but for hepatitis it took me, my symptom didn't change in so long time, so he thought it may not be hepatitis, maybe cancer.
So they started to check me, when, what day was it, two, three days ago, and I hospitalized, Mount Zion again, Mount Zion hospital again, and they took basalt [?] pictures of my liver and chest and took some blood from here and every doctor discussed about my illness, and the next day they had vacation, and the day before yesterday Makura came and told me you are cancer, you know. So you can eat whatever you like, you can drink whatever you want to. So he told me exactly what is happening here. So I am telling you. That was what has happened to me the day before yesterday, and yesterday I came back here.
So it was a big, it is big relief to me, that I can eat whatever I like. Before, so that, you know, I can live longer, I have to eat. And there are many-- I had a list of things which I cannot eat. But now I have no restriction. So it is very-- I myself, selfishly feel good, but on the other hand I am very sorry for you, you know. But I think Buddha will take care of everything, so I shouldn't worry too much.
How long I live I don't know. No one knows actually. I asked him, two years? At most [laughs]-- he said-- what he said. What he said. I am not so sure about it. So I want you to be prepared for it, you know. If I live longer, it is better, of course, for me and for you, I think. But if I-- I think I can live one more year for sure, I feel in that way. I don't feel so discouraged or so weak.
So, maybe, I want you allow me to be a lazy monk, that's all what I want you-- that's all, you know. I shall be very bad example, but [laughing] instead, you should be a good example. Okay? That's all what I want you to do or to know, to be prepared.
Most of things you can decide between you, you know, discussing. If necessary, I can join your discussion. Physically, I get tired quite easily.
Thank you very much for coming.
And do you think [1 word] tape is okay?
Yvonne: I think so. We can take it out and try it.
SR: Uh-huh.
Yvonne: Let's try it, okay?
[Recording stopped. Gap in tape. Recording resumed.]
SR: -- and drink here, you know. Cancer is not infectious.
[Laughs.]
Yvonne: We can eat off your plate now. [Laughter.]
SR: Yeah. You take some. [Laughter.]
Yvonne: Better be careful.
SR: It's quite okay. I do not live so long, you know that. [Laughs.]
[A brief exchange in Japanese with male visitor.]
Claude, I want you to stay here, even though I have no more. Okay? Please. [Laughs.] Thank you. [Two claps.] [Laughs.] Okay.
I have been doing-- I wanted to do, so you shouldn't feel to do, you know, exactly what I did, you know. So you may be free, to do, to develop our way, you know, exactly people want you to do. That is Bodhisattva idea. If they want you to be beggar, you should beg [laughs]. That is the spirit I mean. I want you to-- that is the main point. If you do not lose that point, the bodhisattvas, all the bodhisattvas will be with you.
[Question in Japanese from male visitor. Suzuki answers in English.]
SR: Maybe, yeah. I didn't ask exactly where it is. Maybe so, you know, not stomach, and gall bladder is no more, so liver, or tumors [1 word unclear] another one here. So. Maybe liver.
Do you have some question, about immediate something, you know, you want to know [1 word unclear] now? [Laughs.]
Silas: Would you like a bed that goes up and down? [Laughter.]
SR: It may be too-- but--
Students: [Question/comment.]
SR: If you come [laughter-- Suzuki is apparently pantomiming something], if you go out-- It's very good, you know.
Yvonne: Instead of learning to drive a car, you learn to drive your bed.
SR: Uh huh. But I was very lucky you know, to live this much, until I have good confidence in you. Okay. Hai. [Laughs.] Just in time [referring to a drink brought to him?]. Thank you.
Mel: Can we visit you?
SR: Mmm?
[Gap in tape.]
SR: Hmm?
[Question from male visitor in Japanese. Suzuki replied in Japanese.]
SR: Hai.