Sep 11, 2022

00:00
00:00
Audio loading...

Welcome! You can log in or create an account to save favorites, edit keywords, transcripts, and more.

Serial: 
BZ-02204

Keywords:

Suggested Keywords:

Description: 

Karma, Saturday Lecture

Responding vs. reacting, Owning our own dark side

 

Auto-Generated Transcript

morning
on
what was going last week to animals angeles where he earned it
we have an early meeting an unbeliever

if american priest to or
driftless priests to a to with a young
the will become the shoe mucho of the japanese from side of her practice
the own
administrative i'm moving from them of japanese photo shoot
which i've been dealing with for last twenty five years
and i thought well maybe i should talk about their primitive from difficult for me fuck about and from complex that them and as i was driving over
on the radio we were talking about nine eleven the method of his a gift talk
he is
a gift talk about corner
where do we got about nine eleven we talked about live as in a buddhist context it's all about karma
we had our own bodies off a sandwich ceremony few minutes ago
which recent all my into thing your karma from beginning of greed hate and division
i love for the wow
probably move
we never fully about it
we have never fully about it or ancient thing of karnak from beginning to free paid and television
so we just stuck with it
because we don't understand how things happen
do not understand her for jennifer
oh
oh
in nine eleven committee a benefit two thousand and month
which could forgive i often give a talk
commerce in the union
oanda the roof world
should we invented
osama bin laden
this is heretical park
and i can criticized
your own american for further
estimates knee-jerk reaction have to have been nothing but knee-jerk reactions to and lemon juice and problem
so quiet
so
i won't be careful not to be critical
a simply to be
real
we need to be real about
when when erle nine eleven talk about nine eleven and hear the music and and get a rhetoric it's all about it's too bad that have to know all those people that died and yourself and fajitas
that's like the surface
understanding
the funded by grief that's played up so much that has all the couch contract grief
so self examination never happened
sharpie and because self examination never happens
ah
the exploitation becomes paramount kids a great opportunity nine eleven was a great opportunity and still edge
but which said of opportunity and he said
he retired to send opportunity which exploits
nine eleven to somebody's advantage when we take the side that vicious of examination
as to why something really happens
why did this happen
why do people hate us
well because they don't
i'm a life of a way of life
oh yeah that's true
but fish way of life to somebody ways of life in america which were like are we talking about
we're talking about the ugly american remember that maybe you've get many the job because we're born
but we forgot
can get ugly american who goes to a foreign country can just get of acts like an ash and why does it was to hit me
come to a never been that actually i can last much the any fish
she's like herself of ejaculation
with
my greatest apple's fluttered repetition example when you have a beehive
would you want to hurry
he wanted to peace have you still money into that too early and then and few history behind with a stiff a hornet's nest mistake the hardest and thing you
you know why doing that
when i give to them be noted and industrially obvious strategy gets a fondness for the split with the orange you can come up and to you
and when these commands to new day mr life
should we created a situation
when the bees are coming out and empirical in giving her life
because
we're killing them anyway
devastating
a hot area in the world
for nothing
because life
why
hi
a phase when the more we hit them my a church so because they hate us for had some then we'll help them some more because they hate us
sofa
yeah
the difference between reaction in the sponge
reaction means
when you have made a deal
which badge means of you didn't me but i think about how to deal with you
making me way than continuing to go back and forth to each other
and why did he hit me
do you think it was a surprise the nine eleven happened
to be surprised
food

should they have many conflicting emotions here
of course we feel grief
terrible tragedy just like really terrible candidate
but if we stop there and shipley
used that as an excuse to build up our military
to gonna part in a
a war machine to
taggart on our fortune
the to a country are a couple of countries where all the money comes back to us and never nothing ever happens over there
the iraq
iran and iraq vet in iraq and afghanistan and nothing was ever built their have a significant and yet billions of dollars reported the country
at one time
the past ten years contractors for getting credit cards
to drive without question
about where the money was going
people don't remember these things
i'm every is so short
i decided to you so vast
and corruption we talk about the corruption in iraq darling corruption extract
the
shall growing to the way should reflect your own a of diversity is to make the other side with deserved
if you make the other i looked as i understand information like honest
oh mostly how you're talking about what happened after nine eleven but i think i've heard you've also sort of intimate like that
did something which caused nine eleven that somehow the policies of this government are at fault and us why nine eleven happened is that true for that's one reason i think there are many and complex very complex and i'm not clear on what foster
done by the united states to
the islamic fundamentalists that that caused them to want to do this to us that cause us to perhaps you might say deserve it
even if i like to answer that
perhaps putting military bases on the holy man to that
a cause for as that stanford
not to mention the fact that he had forty wings he built the taliban assault that work the cia
yes
pierce it seems like up but you talking us after see ice and to exercise power and jasmine and actually going out for a long time and is present paper gets press compared to that question i practice for talking about exact difference is what is it in our hearts there
process to achieve the only thing you just said
good question is very complex
we don't want know
so why don't want was
because if we know we'd have to
office and we give up firefox in such macquarie security security in
when it intersect human relation for says like two people get a one person
like an argument between a husband and wife has around to say that if you earn
acknowledge that you did something wrong
and you feel defeated the records you might even have something electromotive force as a story here now this other is something for vast but however responded to that
jefferson
right
yeah i guess i just want to say that
seven people killed you know highlights airline services waiters waitresses secretaries they weren't doing on exams exercise of power neighbor just trying to live there was just have any they were you know
yeah to say that any were essentially innocent civilians
i'm not the problem is this is the innocence and paintbrush
it's always the innocence to pay the branch
most people killed in iraq and to simply innocent people

that's from fifth and left one problems
the addition to pay the price for wage
i love in this country the innocence repay
hey prospect or other
well has been taken from
this article that says question was the us that if prompted the tabloids the title regions in iran iraq is you're giving money he just wanted the oil and people are oppressed in libya to oppressed fresh spices crazy theaters with survives thanks to the us
a lifestyle for the highness and so then look the free entry a brisk international country the shots of powerful who's gonna be talked on the world
the well you can see them in africa become great plane and ever convicted and player
is king of a mountain
putting playing on one dictator
replaces another enough and then each one replaces another itself
and you should see the professional happily government means almost laughing
no and the people and power referred to the killing of the innocence a call at collateral we have collected and travel the people in power on the streets of that the innocents killed they call on mushrooms
we will not allowed to see the soldiers came back from iraq the intelligence that was off limits and there was a big controversy about your number that
because with the army was a not a real army because the national army episode
ah unpaid army
which
i worked for the government
the interesting
so if for talk about the law of cause and effect we talk about cars were talking about causation how he should we live where where his examination helped to clear carmen how do we untangle this this chain just because personal karma
the i as ended and that extension is national harbor group karma when
karma simply means a young volitional action
period
this is the result of your volitional action which is called father or fall out a coach
the results what happens
when you just something every time we do something there is the results that's karma every action has a result so
good interface in a certain better
let's a good things than a good karma falls new evil things than evil travel for all of them then
but in both cases it especially you from it is hard to get off the wheel because when you do things and month ago definition of habit energy back of what pressure you do something once you see when the trump had happened
and we have a chance to say okay i do that again he do it twice finishing well
hello
when she would happens when to third time you do letter and then karma really a stronger and he can it's very hard to remove yourself to get out of it for the way to get out of karma
is through confession from for catholic church but if it's okay if the target knowledge what you've done and what consequences are so that you don't do that again
so the more you do with a stronger death the boy maintain a habit to strive her fifth so and pretend to have haven't before it gets real stronger than we can change our karma for karma can be changed that that's the most important part of was buddhism
food is understanding is that carbon my faith
however it is
the result of our actions which than we can turn away from that
we and
this is why this one an indonesian if you become ordained that's your birthday
and you have a different a new life which is not even though we have residual primer which follows us
my vision it follows you like a car in a horse
ah the way that controls the horse but you can change the direction he left have to me to do that
we can all change the direction of our life if we want to
but a time when when here you know
when wealth and power
wealth and power for so strong within you
the family change
power is the most difficult thing to do
it is going out to curious question
for me i feel like images addition to have the energy or maybe it's i have never had a few is actually is when i and if i can't like into microcosm of my sausage initial oh my aggression and my hate and that called the shadowy staff i think that so painful brooches of concept i even
if i'm not particularly focused on having institutional power and wealth i still have all of this horrible splitting off and on during the good bad thing as long as i'm doing that and not holding everything either real strength you can trump
ionic energy julia near sustenance and and then in the larger context i think that's how things you're time about happened but it's painful fighting for all that circle with that is painful the on the best point is painful
painful for a minute that's why it's your heart and that's why we can hire that hundred ton
and the were told avoidance
yeah
oh and if people to professionally do you think that people also just stupid
a lot of others include effects instead of thinking about thinking about their idea that failures of american families have spent themselves into a horrible death christmas get and i just i don't need just the people who were ill advised about mortgages is a horse by people have to comply
fine and are stuck down with crippling curtain guess john you have to fish dishes
first of all the slave trade has never stopped
it just takes different forms in different cultures
oh you know
i'm feeling civil war was posted the under slavery but it just takes different forms because now we pay the slaves a little bit
the outta here you know his cousin prince print and television sets a new car of we think this is prosperity but it's really kind of slavery because we're indebted to it and where everybody is in debt and because everybody is in depth is no way that we can revoked
image recognition or change actually because we're chained to for deaths
and products with which prosperity
shorten it's a catch twenty two
one day was not allowed to set a like is it harder to of carver on an individual level but once you don't have rather easy
ah parties analyses of why it happened then it it either side on either side of it is victoria just kind of weeks of an adult care if it's if it's like you know the some professor that said already been a huge who had bought the pentagon get that i just lately and class
after after it happened on our hearts over
sighs you have you had people that were giving their own easy fossil comic analysis of for or their announced of why it happened implies that why there is substance of justice and what happened or whatever they call it a father be either side you know route majestic permission
discipleship
just go on sale
from away from this was difficult for me is out
ah
and kind of understand the concepts of confession how that changes with internal shift and patricia's messages for him
the area of so-called person current but of the larger
sphere of karma which are in participate
but i'm not i can take full responsibility for it because i share that responsibility
so i'm struggling how do i take responsibility for my participation
not two-seater this is why we had in the sixties counterculture
people do not want to feel that they were participating in the culture of
dishonesty

there was benefit
i'm confused sometimes at me quiz on congress as is her
i actually have to have a shut herself as but to me
quit or
federal reserve the deeds of assessing captains concentration camps as it's the same thing to is think in some really cool
you know you know if you don't do something with participants if we don't do the freedom and can we do something that were actually participated in what we don't want
but you know i can drive a car and the know that's easier and simpler for with that was los angeles from the freeway you know and involves first were just
the that carefully is driving all of his colors drawn from them doing it too but i can't not do it
then he gets caught by and on fire
no
if of course it is not only the sixties that we had can come you haven't we
have culture to say to as we have people from engaging with these problems with toffee fudge in some ways including any of us
give and up
i'm thinking since there's so much discussion of nine eleven on every way templars make sure that to to engage in the general level i didn't happen or whose fault was a sort of common political analysis wouldn't be helpful to us here from we've already caused it to something that's more helpful
i was thinking maybe each of us live say for anybody feels like it might say in what way we like he currently struggling with the meaning of these matters for example
ah
so the military so far content while the sole overwhelmingly powerful than i usually feel helpless to stop to do anything
one thing that i'm doing is striking that effects of problem
on soldiers and alice
victims
an unlicensed states where we couldn't see the body bags coming from iraq there's a tremendous amount of expression coming from the soldiers in fighting incredible amounts of literature and expression
canada
so one thing i'm doing and other people could say with the where we could look at that how we can engage in what peterson was when participating in and yeah seems out of control
oh
is to try to raise my consciousness not only of my own karma which we all for practicing as here but of the carla regenerating security by participate in these massive forms of violence
well if you could have to start here
know by listening to others and the it's coming through soldiers is quite incredible holidays
should we even wrote back to things
she's like family
it's true i guess what i i was thinking more about this group again
and some of the horse atrocities in a he has come from
society's turning their head people not looking at genocide happening to your phone and ten that
that has to do with kind of a dark dark side of
we're home from a whole sentiment society rationalising violence
no making irrational version from work from ten thursday from
karma
the bridge down or bench him while i'm whether or not you can be brave enough to speak the for face of overwhelming denial why everybody else dinner and nonsense
what's happening and fifty know
oh yeah phone the one thing maybe this little faces so we transform the power of domination for our pronunciation know well done and so what's behind this is sort of the power to dominate going to be overwatering
oh
given that happens if many different ways very different levels are certainly more the time and the thread
proud of his power to benefit people and how we use technology to benefit people to make early is a nine eleven with levels well list of the coup against a agenda
another just socially democratically elected a social stone
going
your hoof what we anchored the united states and the cia which episode help organize though the military coup was that the young
the government of national ice the cover
he went through big american corporations were exploiting her the conference you and making tons of money or in the process
the
i'm not leaving much of that money in the country to benefit the country and the workers and the disparity between what the executive of the corporations were making and what the workers who are in the minds of were making was just a will discuss astronomical the slavery
modern for
so are
but i feel that he was there some a
the dancers are some undoing of that with his example of of feel reminders that were trapped in the real life
eh
and it was the american space technology that helps you to align yourself that will totally it was fully under it was with secret it was an advertised or anything but that was really the effective cause the felt pretty much out
to me that was the one for example of an appropriate use of journal of american technology from we have returned power and and smooth records for and regarding spam dominates everything that compressible christian
product where gets stuck with the common question is that i feel so on
actually i honestly feel like hope for a me to be change feel so i impossible for me in a and
i settled for it felt like a countercultural i tell me you know and i'm like okay i'm doing something that is my part of challenging and carrier like challenging the necessity of the state you know but then like what is his bike my house to not have to deal with responsibility origi it was like hopelessness yes
despair becomes a criminal see where
dr me for well then
the certain you
this my self examination is the beginning him
cultural examination
then there's no need to disappear because
he might as well with what you believe in
so that fact for your hair wet floor for what you believe it
when the can't just go over the end
what you believe it
that's all you can do and as all you can go with as the basis of been
what is they are a lot of sense it's hard to know exactly where to jump into the conversations of what this exchange reminded me of as the starter was destroyed that a lot of people here know about mary scott
mary scott who was a senior teacher here and the story issues to be very active with the peace movements and used to citizen the tracks to lot nuclear waste and with the first iraq bombing there was a protests that was being held and there was a sign off at avalon
chipboard inviting people to go to it and someone approach shirt and said to really think of couldn't make any difference that we go and do that and her response was i don't know but it's most important that i do it so in my mind as the spirit with which i
want to be in the world and also just to touch and christie's question in relationship to their i think sometimes it gets hard to look at ourselves and deal with our stuff because we pile on shame or hopelessness or despair we add things to it because we
can't be good enough over to afraid i think fear of your as a lot of what goes on even more than than power and greed but there's just something added on if you see that it's just something added on and take it as that it's much easier to go to a deeper place and finally
wanna say i think the more you do that the more you see how related you are to everyone else and everything else and it's out of that inner connection that there's an impetus to ask act and also a kind of humility that makes it okay he who you are
yeah
where came up the response to what what you said to will not repeat the new okay i'll try
so what came up in response to the question about despair for me is sir
kind of reminded of joanna macy work and how important it is for for how it may be used for the major skillful way of
i've actually experiencing this to despair facing it and walking through it in a way and sort of having a be part of our for as while we engage the world
we love can use of road through the do something with a certain during the but i'm wearing both result in fewer about both result you've become register
things just weren't for something and then you're more you do also have other people do with him
and he will back to resolve to phone he can to the is just do it from the sake of when pool
ah
one of one thing is that we all feel alone and confronting the vast power but the way a half move west or went the way things change is the people get together and add one i'm in slavery there was one man
man john norman and the quaker community it took him for decades to persuade the quakers to give up flavoring but has as as we have to get together
oh
free true
the free trade agreements know the system another form of flavor for the world instead of just as your room community
the civil war is not revealed the civil war is over for food the him is to them to foundations are still here and cinnamon flavor your own people flinch when people another countries and that's when people have jobs now here
the real of have always cheap to river
elsewhere
no manufacturer
casper custom gulf countries with manufactured
knowing of entrepreneurship

the
ah countries all other you suffer from bouts of despair of has been trashy of the world beautiful world she's trashy transport off and
i i refer people to spend the sounds sappy maybe not for i feel over lot of strength in my refuge is
buddha dharma and
what have you spent years haha to
they're grateful to have a refuge
two
come

on food
russian he said earlier than we could change your current of the future of of
that he spoke about driving an from cars and you're participating of that that he said i could i have to do this and are lifted i wonder are about what do you really have to do
a for me that the processing of my heart is in the life of bad wolf and the livestock industry and suffering that we all have the country or with that industry and because you don't see it happening or looks about tv was worried at the way from it is not part of our
assistant so we continually animals to perpetuate that something we continue driving cars if we feel we have to do that for whatever reasons and so what is if every subject to trader karma in nigeria say no i don't have to verify the identity wasn't particular
that personal home
choices the really people make pictures are making a choice
when people making a jewish so they feel they have to not do that where they don't have to do but the return of local transportation
well
an awful transportation in motorbike mark and of group
lol a certain sense of your david gonzalez
it was fully opportunities or if you to really have to have to be there but he make these choices are wondering about how we can further the teaching of buddhism and changing karma while we're suffering ourselves and graduates from my response to that
just keep asking that question
and also what passes as friends that for something i've thought about a lot which is when you're hired just finger system
they rely on these things for example if museums and a culture where there weren't cars things would be more deaths there will be other options that he encouraged assistance you can choose not to take but it's different than as we were in a system that
the valley those things and so i guess
i have questions about how how
that seem like attention to me like you can remove yourself from that that doesn't change the larger system or the reality for people who may be can opt out of plan for the you can go
ebook one person the gun
as if you think further than one person in a time than to find her home
so fun
think her food each person to fear of their world through one of their turns out it happens
to try with them by you something
nickerson said
if you're prone to catch the tail of a comment people will pay you
different try to catch the tail for comment people a kick from pity you know when he can go into what you can do don't do something that thief and you're failing because about turning the world around you turn me to continue world to wrong is one of his country
our world around
the feds a lot of fresh voices
a
just the care of and then seemed difficulties a bath
the let alone the difference in the world

question about that have to say
things are normal
i vow to save them and always think that's pretty to push your here
yes and that women in a political delusion
hundred per week but or delusion is also a treasure because we reduced we take a route to do something impossible it were possible wouldn't be much better repair a big stuff here
this is the sixth and sister acquaintances doesn't
a profound say was and remains doesn't it as it i remember going to go and say everybody is safe and sentient beings from my own mind that elusive mind when reading mine the a reminder so familiar save yourself doctor to doctor user doctor
you know
is
okay i just had a question of is impossible l it's own farm of fully if that's impossible that is really good or possible to
have some kind of attempt to about a collected carla
no coming or going to yeah that was kind of much as president dalia sofer aircraft from return better from commission
my my karma your friend my personal from let's festival
i can evolve into reading touch
he turned from the to feel can be aware of tibet as karma as think the evil currently do in your with oh my candle or fuel karma and a foul
a rich okay rich not like a condition that is simply realizing that that happens to participate to have
so i participate in and our collective karma because here we are issues that can not do it
can we get caught up in quite often it
enter
shoot or problem
we can ignore it we can do deny it that is there and it causes everybody suffering for how do we get really how do we like got suffering how do we stop printing a saffron
dealing with crime with a about
but how we staffroom shepherd shall we say we and stuff you can turn a farmer around and we can stop the ashes was great suffering
for our shop another and one more and that's it
ah that she thrashed
the murder yeah
but i say i have in the cat who is our well
pam yourself
you can analyze yourself to a prisoner but if you say is no self that's not right
and if you said it is one that's not right
so
i vow is okay
whether you believe it or not
who's speaking
who's asking the question
because there's a questionnaire a can impression
when it comes from you
there was no you there be no question