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Falling Into Classifications, Sesshin Day 2

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marvelous today
we're going to talk about
hmm
they can't know the sixth ancestors to make disciples
sagan yoshi and nine geico a of gets her japanese names
i'm
and the questions
to the teacher
hum
significant questions which
ah
are the key points of my practice
the hand
but first i one talk about questions
you know if you read the literature
have an the coup on collections
mainly
you find that almost all the coins are based on somebody's question
for example
i just opened the boat anywhere
a monk asked kill say
i wanna pick from the inside would you please tap from the outside
a monk as do man
what is it when no thought of steering and nothing presents itself would that's a good one
great quit i don't have any question what should i do
then
uh-huh

a mug as joe issue
the stone bridge of joshi it was widely renowned but coming here i find only a step on the a set of stepping-stones teacher
this is the basis of practice
ask the question
sometimes people will come to show signs of the i'm that i don't have a question
which is okay i understand
but ah
ask me a question is how you present yourself
when totally it's the question of myself and
and
ah if we don't have a question it's like standing like reading the boat but not jumping into the ocean
we're going to the beach but not taking off your clothes
ah
sometimes people say
why not have a question but it is really a stupid question that really comment
what a stupid question
is an evaluation
you're comparing you and your stupid question to an intelligent question and sometimes similar will think well i have a really intelligent question
this is what it is there's really a stupid question
mainly because you think it's an intelligent question
a question just a question
the new very careful
but i say clarify side of the beginning when you said you are
it
i don't have a question what should i do with that
like disparagement with acting sincere question that you down to the our potentially every question is a valid question
that's an eloquent what should i do as a valid question should i do as cat i would think that like how can i help it was that a proactive what can i do to help or asking for my my what should i knew how could he on if on the other person for them which kitchen that when you would like
yes
but in the other hand
it gives me an opening right was obligated to meet the do
they say that question really badly
kind of leave you with
you know yes well what do i do if i don't ever question how do i know
but mostly they don't say that because it sometimes mostly just like i didn't have a question
and so allah as them a question
turn it around
but everything elicits a response in some way
i'm so
a stupid question three
is nothing a stupid question is not a stupid question and a brilliant question is not a brilliant question
they're just questions
an evaluation is just comparing one thing to another
so
ah
we have show sign and we also have shooter ceremony
they are similar they're not exactly the same but similar
tion is a when
ah between the teacher in the student show such a short ceremony is between the show in the student
and ah is a somewhat of a peer relationship but it's not exactly a peer relationship because when the show so as in the position of shoe so even though
an issue says peers are asking questions the shooter was in the shoe so see
so it's a little different
others
i am
the susa isn't in the in the position of acting
as a teacher
but
it's kind of
mixed peer relationship and teacher so
then the teaching position at that moment at that time so we're testing the she says understanding
so you know we bring up a question that that tests this uses understanding i remember in the beginning when we had choose ceremonies people as most ridiculous questions
but even though it's a ridiculous question
when should be able to take their question
and hit the question who were the head with it

you'd dumbbell
you can't escape
this lit this is that visit the you know
position there's no escape
when as to be turned inside out
so em
there's no such thing as a stupid question except for it by comparison even those energy but that's really a stupid question
there's no such thing as a brilliant question even though mha oh that's a brilliant question is all the way you think about it
so
a whole questions
i'm about the questioner
we say we're testing to decision but it's really about the questioner
have you think is is when you ask
and how you think into you are
when you mentioned you well i'm not too i think we're i'm not what i think
sorry
so it behooves us to to present ourself
our whole self to the questioner to them
that the person we're asking the question of and then the person you're asking the question of as the good opportunity to present their whole self to you in response and this is what the whole thing is about
he's not just about asking a question how to type in your head
when let's see i can think of something that that does not in but they is today that's a good question actually
but if you think ah you know as been my credits and
and she said should be able to turn it into the what a profound response
turning us to

taking a stupid question and turning intuitive or into a profound response
i just yet
well show me as a stupid question
the
that

anyway
i'm going to talk about nagar to and save mg ocean
sagan and and noga who were the to as i said main disciples of sixteen and sister i can't you know and
sagan
what's considered
his main disciple and nine geico it's considered his main disciple
and to outstanding mean but he had and many others as well
i don't know how many nobody knows exactly how many but these to stand out because from sagan
when people look back then j own sink in
seems to be the fountainhead of the sodo school nanga go seems to be the fountainhead and that rinzai school
but
when they were alive they'd never heard of
those two schools though
sig in
as the sixth ancestor so he came up
this is without the circumstances
sagan as the sixth and sister how can we practice without falling into class distinctions
and that
the answer to said what who have you been practicing
and sagan replied i don't even practice the formidable truth or the supreme truth
and the ancestor as well into what class have you fallen
and sagan said
i don't even practice the supreme truth how is it possible to have any classes
and the ancestors said just like this just like this protect and maintain that carefully
hmm
ah
this is the dialogue
and pajama roshi who
as a commentary on this is it then there's an expression
mondo no doubt ago which expresses one's true self in the form of a question
hmm
sell his question was as
ah
on a profound as the teachers
response in other words
so sagan as the sixth answer so how can we practice without fully into class distinction class the station
it can mean stages of practice
stages of practice means something like
hum delusion and enlightenment
we practice from with because we we are at are deluded people we practiced various stages in order to end up with enlightenment
that's class distinction be enlightened are superior and devoted are inferior
so inferior and superior and all the stages in between
hmm so the ancestors ago what have we have you been practicing and he says i don't practice stages i have no practice or stages which is usual
a buddhist
ah practices there are all these practices of stages
but he says i am not concerned with the practice of stages
that's not what i do
who in the ancestors said well
then where are you
what do you records if you don't practice this the practice of stages
hmm and sagan said since i don't even practices supreme
truth which is sometimes interpreted as the four noble truths how is it possible to have any classes as stages
so then the patriarchs is just like this just like this just this man's business
this
she can't either but we go when dog in cause she can't just this justice justice
i'm
so
this is what we call also know gaining mind
sometimes people will say well no gaining my mint is it okay i've i've had better on my toast
or should i have that new
code you know that i
samantha that's not what we mean by no gaining mind no gaining mind means that you are just you as you are
you can't add or take away anything
delusion and enlightenment
or not when our goal is not to go from delusion to enlightenment it simply to be ourselves completely
this is what he means by not practicing the stages are not practicing
caning mind
to become something but we practice is to become myself which means
to practice
ah
you know about
has a keel and the taller the mast
the deeper the keel the weight on the bottom has to support
the superstructure above
so
yeah they're more profound or understanding the deeper
i practice has to become
so in order to
practice in an enlightened way
oh
practice has to become deeper and deeper so
rather than gaining something called enlightenment
enlightenment is like
a continuous practice
continuous practice it is an enlightened practice and enlightenment is not something that you can gain
have we talk a lot about pakistan with no gaining mine
when he opposed to talk about acting thing with no spectacular
i'm from tracking like you can't take something away
we don't talk about
hum
well that's interesting point
can we talk about letting go
go
i
how the check in mind
hum
you can't take away
what is originally yours
and you can't add something to what is originally or so
no gaining implies never taking away and know taking the implies no gaining that but there's an interesting way to look at it
and ah you can talk about that
get get point though
no daily that that that way you can the essence is something that can't be gained are taken away
gotcha

hum
what about losing weight

what visit losing weight should be practices in are gaining idea
when i heard about what came up with something about no rejecting
after i met your network
yeah well
i wouldn't say that attracted me
well my jersey
the
that and has to be says him
and it has to permeate your whole life
that's why we say it's as in when you really practice
it does it is really the center of your life
no matter what we think is the center of eyelash doesn't is the center of our life because is the and wobbling pivot
whereas everything else that that is associated with our life wobbles
in some way and is not permanent is not
ah substantial in the same way and thousand because was is the practice of
you can't end or you can take away
happy
a locked out
like
and there are
top
how does not from yes that's that's the that's that's it
that's what my outages that your perfect the way you are but there's room for improvement

the we're a perfect the way we a that's what sagan and thing we are who we are we're not comparing it
we do this by comparing themselves to others and we compare our delusion to enlightenment in
you know but we are but we are the whole point is we are who we are we're not trying to make ourselves into something that we're not
so ah
i never you know figure as you saying
do you who you are now there's not gonna be somebody else
the week will always be weak the strong will always be strong which alma as to teacher slovak erosion
who was in a very strong and an intelligent and and the great zen master then should do to give my practice long enough i'll be like you
the harkins it know i am like i've always been this way it has no doing my practice
and you are i will be the way you are has nothing new in your practice
when i practiced to be like me and you press me like you
so yeah
i was

we'll just to get the what you mean by perfect
the up misleading is perfect
yeah
perfect means to be just as you are
we take the perfect means some idealistic damage
when i mean when i fulfill my idealistic image i will be perfect
hi
that's try perfectly placed in perfect so we don't use that term
we use it when you knew the terminal course but it's not ideal perfection is not our idea
the dharma is pregnant and japan and penetrating
by and delivered by an imperfect
and penetrating
did you
speaker
ah
i'm fine
incorrectly
the way to practice the world
that's right he said be pushed at a with is that he's not saying i know when this is i don't even i don't practice foreigner or truth means i don't practice
to gain something
doesn't mean they don't practice a for the watches or buddhism or whatever the meeting
is not in the words but i'm in the words indicates something they're not her to be taken literally you take the words literally you really make a big mistake that you can't understand canada is them because they taking the words literally
this is you know chinese poetic style
not to be taken literally to be understood
yeah
here's these grid you know buddhist teachers you think they don't study the kernel of truth
just because they say so

i mean i'm not attached to
distinctions
just using is the way to talk about
i'm being yourself completely am not
i'm practicing to attain some
you know
all of our attainments are on this whereas reality is undecided so all about attainments or simply worldly attainments
they simply
all the talk about
enlightened states and all this i simply phenomenal existence
how can you be yourself completely
well that's you come on
of course great great question
great question and grant you that question
please come and see me a topical

so if you ask questions like that petting good stupid question
because it's so intelligent
great western
yeah
yeah well that's the you know that's his translation

feel
no know
yeah
ah i
hey
yes
yes
how i
that yeah

volition burnished not have to understand there's not his classifications
philosophical classifications there is even better is calling from
but and that's the way the translators the terms of translators use so don't get upset by it try to see beyond the words to the meaning and you know if you if we let words upset us we get caught words
try to get to the meaning beyond the words
so
how it useful most useful very useful and that we don't let something like words kitten away and we're understanding that's really useful
well forgive me an example

no but give me an example
a class classification
no in the
awakening mahayana faith which is a text that's the way it's classified
so he just quoting from the text
classified into backsliding on backsliding so you can say their classifications the that class when the somebody will use the word class but they mean classification which means distinction
so you can do the words distinction use your own terms i do it all the time i find my own terms when i don't
align myself with the translators terms i just steps you took my own terms which is very good because it means you're thinking instead of just simply swallowing something
you're participating in translating
distinction
him
that there is no game
right now
aspect yeah
i know where will let go of thinking mind which doesn't mean that the mind is not thinking
we like you are thinking mind and we let go of conditioning condition pastures so basically we return to what's called our original nature
and we simply sit
ah in the center of our
original been without
the accretions and to descend the discriminating mind which compartmentalizes and separates everything
so it would like then go of thinking means letting go discriminating mind
which separates
and it doesn't we don't separate and so this way they go out good and bad right and wrong and so forth and since
we're not in a position to harm anybody we can they go good and bad
a number and ah
simply be one with i hate to say it everything
the we are so stereotype that and to talk about it
oh

the discriminating mind is going haywire
it's not no longer you're discriminating mind
there is just discriminating mind going haywire
there is a discriminating mind going haywire there is a a mental activity bringing up thoughts
it's not my mind is not my doesn't so we can go about that my this my that
it's buddhists activity
you may not think so i live
if practice activity is not my activity although you know my is included
if you want to included
you at the local okay but is better not to because then because what my dad when i does is discriminate
so when you letting go of discriminating mine there is no i are mine
that's the point
and dumb
christian
yes it's in the plan funds from to
i didn't get to know goggles
question it but that's what they noted that
my god i don't have time repost credit eleven from meal gets everything it's time than and time and fishing
i'm bad next time we'll talk about my gaiters question

oh yes but we can have a loyal service mega talking about it been talking about a man
but i will shoot you ask
the how many people here knew jack van allen
when jack died yesterday
and he had been dying for i mean it's in that state where you say a person is dying for some time actually but the last week or two and been more precipitous
and ellen and i went up there
and as an
khan said santa rosa
i'm a few days ago and
saw him and his wife but he was rather unconscious
that way i have been serious i'm kind of his bed he was right
not completely
ah aware
and then l and mary went up yesterday
tuesday as and
you were there when he died so and he died a peaceful seemingly peaceful death
and
jack has a
if you know jack you would never forget jack
bruh jackman is wonderful no good of the
composite version and he made actually he made his ability to spy on it and the altar
and very generous are you always giving me the from years past he would give me combined with a big bag phone good as to distribute the people like santa claus
the buddhist world and young
yeah
well
probably yeah i remember that but i think you're right
yeah now
some years are to give up making those because the process was to terrier
deleterious to his health
and then
ha
championship and indescribable
person
and
in various sides generous and wonderful and and some needy and ah troublesome
but am
yeah he just
i'm really had read generous wonderful heart he loved a lot of people and made contact with a lot of important them
hum i could have little by little and see him deteriorating over the years getting more or less well
and i'm so
there's some things about jack i won't miss but i have to say that i actually mission
how to me
it's like that
he's a force of nature
yeah not cheap
chick
last week and i do him very seen him man

yeah flow
i didn't know what that would i give him your a long time ago i think this
what they'll something more now
sadly
no
three practice in various places that oliver and but never any one place
ah the patches here for a while i a and anaheim
hum
they were going very respectful to me i have set that you are one of the lives and yeah
yeah
that
yeah
so anyway
i think tomorrow will have a memorial service
i'm available just wants to say anything
can you tell
pica said they don't know
a little that he had made
huh
i think that's right
isn't everything we do matters

ha
the