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Women's Sesshin

 

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good morning
ha
i yesterday i spoke
on ah my pasha pity for the most part on the terry got the nuns on and their teachings
so how many of you were here yesterday ah
so
so today i thought i would talk about
some of the other night
and

and
you are
kind of different introduction
then i gave yesterday
oh

the to
erica to nuns came into being
at that
while
said arthur was alive and teaching they were they made a request
to go to my to allow them
to form communities as well as to live
in a forest
so

he rejected them their request ah three times and then and nanda ah
intervened and his
he gave the buddha an argument that
turned his whole teaching to support
ah um mapa sharper teeth request
so they be an to grow
and on
it was a
first of its kind
where women were allowed to direct themselves to create
two
not have to have a male presence in their life
can make a decision
on

so terry terry is a woman elder and gotta is a song
and i was looking for
the ancient teachings of women which seem to have disappeared
so
i found a few books in our library
the talked about the ancient teachings of the terry got two women and on
i got very absorbed in it

the terracotta still exist
it is now under the ah
i'm
the reign of
the terra gotta
those are the monks but the terrified and tradition
but it must have been very exciting time because as things were
changing there was a war which left women without a male
ah air or a male
presence and so they went to my opposer pity for guidance
and then they asked her if they could join her order
so she had the largest following up disciples
she had five hundred
and potter chara
ah had thirty disciples and knows where the two largest groups of women no
practitioners

so i thought

the thirty nuns under but a chair
what our focus on
the teachings are poems and they're not all attributed to particular none
they shared
damn
and their purpose was to
there
on
so each poem
is an enlightenment experience
sorry this one
when they plow their fields and sow seeds in the earth
when they care for their wives and children young brahmins find riches
but i've done everything right and follow the rule of my teacher i'm not lazy you're proud why have i not found peace
bathing my feet i watched the bath water
spill down the slope
i concentrated my mind to a train a good horse
then i took a lamp
and went into my cell
check the bed
and sat down on it
i took a needle
and pushed the way down
when the lamp went out my mind was freed

potty chairs poem recounts the moment of her enlightenment experience which took place later
in one sense this is a type palm one of a number of pumps used
that uses the same imagery
playing on the primary meaning of nirvana
extinguishing of a lamb

then there was
potty chair says with puzzles province grind corn pleading wives and children brahmins find riches
practice the buddha's teaching and you won't regret it
quickly when you have washed your feet sit down beside me intent on peace of mind
practice the buddhist teaching
then there's a narrator who says when they heard part of chars teaching they washed their feet and sat down beside her intent on peace of mind
they practice the buddhist teaching in the first watch of the night they remembered they had been born before
in the middle watch of the night the i of heaven became clear
and in the last watch of the night the great dark was torn apart
they stood up then and bowed to her feet
thirty nine nuns we have taken your advice the way will live honoring you like the thirty god honoring injure who never lost a battle
we have the three knowledge is there are no obsessions in our minds
so i thought i'd try the story
a party chara she was born to a banker's family
and

and
she had a fallen in love well am
servant in our household this was verboten
ah her father not knowing this had arranged for her to marry somebody of her class
so one night she and her lover ran off
and they set up housekeeping in a distant village
so

not sure shortly thereafter
she became pregnant
and
as her time was coming do she wanted to keep bursts at our family's home which was traditional at the time
so she asked her husband and he says no you can't go there
ah
they did not leave on very good terms
so she sneaks out one night and tries to make it to her family's home but can't
and are husband comes after her and he
helps her give birth and then they go home to her husband's house
so
a few years later she gets pregnant again
she tries to go
to her
family's home and
she starts out and her husband comes after her
and she
start to give birth before she reaches her family's home
so they do it again
except this time
her husband gets bitten by a snake
and he dies
so there she is alone in the forest
when
a storm coming on
the storm overtook everything
it flooded the creek said
ah
so she tries to make it to her mother's house and she
leaves her son of the bank of the river and tells him to stay there
while she takes the baby
and finds help
so
she sees something in the distance she puts the baby down she goes off
she keeps looking back and she sees a hawk flying in that grabs her baby
it's probably a nagel
so she runs screaming at the heart who just takes off with it and to her son thinks she he she's calling him
so he come spreading to the edge of the river bank and
he falls in
and eyes
so by this time part of child is distraught
hurry to strat and she makes it to her family's house but before she gets there she asked
one of the local villagers how they are where are the andy says you don't want to ask that question because
burned down and everyone in it
so this putt chara
but she couldn't take it
so she's
i started walking in circles and crying
and in one day she found herself in the cheddar grove where the buddha was teaching
and
he calmed her down and told her he wanted her to
check it with
every villager she saw
to see if anyone in their household had died
i don't think you've heard this to hurt him
ha
and she couldn't find one
so ah
she came back to the buddha and told him there is no one
everyone has experienced the death of someone in their life
and that was her lesson
so
she went on to have many disciples
and on
some of them came from the harem of couch emma
when his father died he
left
a household full of women
many of whom were the members of his harem gout miss her
and ah got to miss father did not have
a hair army had two wives to first one died it was one that gave birth to siddhartha
she died a week after he was born

oh there's a legend about gout to miss our harem
there were a gift
on
at a special event the young siddharth it was said to have displayed such impressive feats of strength
that all the shocking sent to daughter to his household and they became his harem
he said they said forty thousand but that's not likely
that this is surely a legend it was no doubt told to show how powerful a person said dorothy was even in his youth
it was the powerful man's privileged to marry or to keep more than one woman
for example gout with father as we know had two wives
one of the wives was my passion for pretty and then her sister ah maia
is the other

so what happened to most of them as they all enter the order of nuns so
and it did not want
gout emma had relinquished
total control of the order of nuns to them
they had freedom for the first time in their life
on
huh
ha
most sources hold at the buddhist dying words were to be a light on to yourself
an idea complemented by the earliest buddhist teachings are no views not having any views
the teaching suggests that we not seek to embrace a particular doctrine
or faith or ideology or form
in that spirit it must be noted that the original none saga although radical in this position on women relative to society was sexist
in many respects
it rules were sexist and the obstacles to women's achievement were significant
as women and men continue to embrace buddhism today
and especially as westerners embrace a tradition so different from our own
we should take care not to tolerate sexism in the buddhist institutions with which we are affiliated
there perpetrate discrimination as new structures are invented so they had twenty five hundred years of developing structures that
must look entirely different than what it looked like twenty five hundred years ago
i'm
the old form didn't sustain women over the long haul
the big sunni sanga the terror vodden died out
without significant changes it will not sustain us now
i know that there are on
women
in fact i got on a website ah looking for them
and i found a monastery out near in california and it was just a few terrified nant they were
no longer under the rule of the terrified monks
on
so i'm going to close this with still palm
get rid of the tendency to judge yourself
above below or equal to others
have no idea what time it is
oh forty minutes as lot
we can talk men
okay
d
wow

according to
the ah terry got the palms they were all expressing the four noble truths
and the foldaway was what they were practicing
all the night
they didn't have
it isn't like in america today
where buddhism looks very different depending on where you go
but then their teacher was alive the buddha
and he was always talking to his disciples women and men
to keep them on the right path
today
yeah

right delay there were
les women and lay men and then they were monks and nuns those were the four categories
and
what was your question

oh

right depending on the weather right
oh
the lay women did not preach
ah only the nuns fitted
and
they were often times influenced by the nuns to leave home and enter this dream
so they were stream enters
that's what the lay women became
or they were an interested but the ones who were found away
to practice and they all practice same thing
penelope

i'm a theory
i would the her here
a year is a long time and as you know
i'm just living here five years goes by
and we look back at the old rules and they'll look totally different ten years is even more so
and then were ag
so n
the
six hundred years have gone by
there was a steady decline because they lost their teacher this is what i think
and the monks were in charge
and so they brought the rules back that siddharth ahead
previously
gotten rid of
on but there's no record that says that
there there was a strong attachment that on the part of men to keep women from having authority

yes
tarija

hmm

terrapin

now
now

yeah

hmm
hmm

yeah it is

well i just discovered it
i was going along studying dog and happily and then i bumped into this book
and just took another turn edges
started i got very interested in reading
about the buddha from the woman's point of view
cause it's different
and he he gave an interesting sermon
on friendship just two women
and
i left at home but
he said that women
should value
each other like they were family or relatives
and if we can do that
we could be happy or we can break through to the
other side
yeah what is with us
ha ha ha kamara not all buddies
and where does that competition come from
it could be i don't know
ah
yeah
team

that
ah yeah
where

well he just took the argument back to buddha put is a put his argument turned it
he turned it
so that
i can find it you may find it

ah
this book is susan market the buddhist first british women poems and stories of awakening
ah
there were a couple of people's dissertations and library
which i didn't want to use because this this person has done she did this on the side
of her regular job
ouch

so that was pass up

huh
okay
the argument that one pratap ts cops
well just start here then the blessed one said our purpose ali pasha pretty cut off her hair put on saffron colored robes and headed for the salad with a number of shock in women
she arrived at could de gar a hall in the great girl with swollen feet and covered with dust
weeping she stood there outside the hall seeing her standing there the venerable and nanda asked why are you crying
because ananda the blessed one does not permit women to renounce their homes and entered into the homeless state under the dharma and discipline proclaimed by the to tighter
then the venerable a nando went to the buddha bowed before him and took his seat to one side and he said ah pity is standing outside under the entrance porch with swollen feet covered with dust and crying because you do not permit women
to renounce their homes and enter the homeless state it would be good lord if women were to have permission to do this
enough for nanda don't set your heart on women being allowed to do this
a second and third time and not under made the same request and the same words than receive the same reply
then and under thought the placid one does not give his permission let me try asking on other grounds
are women able lord when they have entered into homelessness
to realize the fruits of stream entry once returning non returning and are hardship
yes and under they are able if women then are able to realize perfection and since prajapati was a great service to you
when your mother died it would be good if women could be allowed to enter into homelessness
if then ananda if then a nanda pajama pretty except the eight special rules let that be reckoned as her ordination
so this is the argument they kiss ah pity into the door
then she requests
i would ask one thing of the blessed one ananda it will be good if the blessed one would allow making salutations standing up in the presence of another paying reverence and the proper performance of duties
to take place equally between both pictures and picks pick shootings according to seniority
which wipes out the
following seven
rules
this is impossible ananda i cannot allow and even those teachers are falls dharmas don't permit such conduct in relation
two women how much less can to togheter allow
if preserve parties attempt to change the first and most blatantly sexist rule
in punjab is attempt to change the first and most blatantly sexist rule we can understand that she was not in sympathy with the discrimination the rules reflected
a request also indicates a radical democratic orientation it comes at a time when even the ancient greeks who have been credited with founding democratic rule only allowed free on slave mm
males the privilege of citizenship
that's all that
according to this person's study on
that they could find out in the political
ah politics
of the terry gotta

right

i started

say something

me
yeah
and this was the first women's movement that we can find
yes
kiss

turning it on
that is a rather deep question
the extinguishing of the light
is to ravana
and it has to be experienced to be understood
so i can't really answer the question
i could say what i think it is but it wouldn't be it
but it's an important image to keep in mind
two

hmm

hmm i'm thinking about it
because ah
there's it
oh
i'm such a visually or a curse
a
there's like
there's a hierarchy that melt always talks about but then
there is a horizontal
earth touching way
and that
part of who we are a horizontal part
stays under the surface because of the rules
do you understand
yeah me too

ah
yeah i'm definitely a painter
on him
like
ah
hmm
hum
i take a few more hit
in
there
i see in my vision
a a
community of people
who are fundamentally happy
and yet they have problems
and
the problem
oh citing the rules
to maintain your course
which is not a happy place to go and being happy is also credited for weird word on
but to lighten up
we could be such a huge port for each other
if we could lighten up ground each other and
care about each other really care
care to the point where the buddha said
if you
see your friend
unhappy something has happened to your friend that you will go to them
and stay with them
that's part of the teaching that he gave on friendship
but we have our lives all
i'm tied up we have hardly any room
for friends
we could make a little more room for that
two
i think of

and her brother forgot to mention him
yeah

searching
here

had the same violence
play

now

carrie

i agree

there's like areas

it was a lot of sort of
where are you
sorry i don't

mr

hmm
the way i

yeah

system benefit
and are you doing that
are you practicing
in the way they just described
yeah
the best my understanding is
the
right
but also now is always said
right yes
i'm not trying to ah and i'm trying carefully not to
create
a plurality
because it isn't like the men are wrong it's just that their dominant there's too much male energy
and they and they could let give a little of that up

right right back in the law and his first response and
re
yeah

right
yes

how the

hmm
this was a discussion right now
somebody have an answer that this
a yeah
but
yeah

since you

joker
no

hi

where

yeah not a long time

hmm
yeah we'll see
yeah i wondered why we never talked about it before prefer
you go up
here
today heard another common japanese
that
inspired
the first
sauce inspiration
having been refused times
she
gives herself organisms shows her on
she rose the way ourselves
personal way and puts out
at wants the all
and what she's asked him
what you see where michigan
during that's right
he's actually asking for permission to join the guy she's asking
right authority
right
and then she doesn't handle that hadn't
they in order to be a in order to recognize they had to take on these or the no security is less than last june
right
then have challenges that so the delicious
the precepts and as on some who stepped out of the
she she's already reply
hmm and that are so i missed the classroom and where it leads to inside my first
a story initially
another recent conditioning
it said my practice
roses
and that rationally
that's not the says with users
and so the call on bears
huddle i listened that
the refugees
that's why
and also existing condition
and particular
they have gone
right
how do we
the within the life
and yet
yes
i think will start or have to start talking about it to each other that just women
i had a long conversation with my house whip
about this
i wanted to get his take on things
yeah and he was very much in line was mine
her wouldn't have married him
a

ah
the i couldn't tell you when when he said cause i can't remember but ah
ha
ethics
katie

hmm

he guided by

turn to question amtrak's herself
and we can talk a bad
because it sir
there's a certain kind of taboo then i feel better
we just don't talk about them to
ah connecticut we've been together long enough
ah ah hello
well i he question was ejected excited instead
yes of
that
but she wasn't she was very tough man who has really shaped by the exhibition
yeah right
don't this is
yeah
also he can
he was so
hard on the condition she was very loud
get really
max
but
and he was very happy here was a bit
re a woman
hmm
okay i see
go it alone session
question that
while and that is that a lot of teaching assets
stop me feel as the time
so there's a skill
internal battle where
i want to give up and found a way that i don't wanna
and then i almost feel
edition
right out
submit a little more
yeah
re re s i get that
yeah no problem at all the time
you know i know what you mean ah yeah
okay