mind. If you think each one's mind does not exist at all, that is one of the heresies. If you ignore each one's own mind. And if you ignore the big mind, that is also a heresy. So we must have complete understanding of the reality. Do you understand? Usually, you will fall into... janken or joken. Joken means... to believe in something which exists forever, constantly, like emptiness or something.

[01:18]

Banken means to believe in each existence. It looks like, to him it looks like separate, independent. So, ban means cut. Ban means cut. So, each one will be cut from the rest of the beans. That is why we call it banken. Joken means to understand things just once. which exists forever. That is Joachim's idea of constancy. They do not... change of form. but we are not aware of things which changes.

[02:39]

Do you understand? That is Buddhist understanding. So if you think Buddhists do not have any idea or small mind, it is. and one of the two, healthy, Vedic understanding. Buddhism should go over this kind of one-sided understanding, and Buddhist understanding should include both sides. Do you understand this point? This is very important point on good person.

[03:47]

But most buddhists, some buddhists stick to the idea of oneness. And the other will stick to the idea of many things, good things. And they do not, they do, they do ignore the fact that things change. If they do not ignore the fact that things change, they cannot ignore the idea of oneness. There is no eye to experience the power of the heart. Questioner 2 Why is that so?

[05:02]

Through, through, only way to experience big mind is through, you know, small mind. You understand? There's no approach to the big mind. When you understand, when you, you know, have a cup of water, Which is same as all the water. Then you will know what is water. Which is same as water in the stream. Which is like to put the water of ocean in small cup. We cannot experience how great the water is.

[06:29]

But if we dip it in a small cup and have it, then that experience is experience of great oceans. What is the first parable you must do? Or abacus or something like that. Therefore, because you try to understand it just by thinking, you cannot understand it. This kind of thing should be accepted by actual jazen practice. Shantaza, our experience of enlightenment, You understand? Maybe you don't.

[07:31]

If you can, you know. I'm just explaining it, you know. So that is, you have that kind of question. I am explaining, bringing the truth to the words. What I am talking about is words. But you will understand what I am talking about. Okay? So purposeful, most important point of practice is to experience things directly, one by one.

[08:44]

One experience should be for me. For a spirit, one is one right now. For a spirit, one right now, on this moment, is who is, over. So, this is the only approach to the empty. This is very important point. That is why we practice. This is the point of practice. Okay? Very important.

[09:52]

Maybe you must think about it over and over and over again. It is comparatively easy to realize things are one. It is comparatively easy. easy to accept. Maybe when I was maybe about twenty-six, seventy years old, you know, I had some discussion with my master. about this point.

[11:08]

At that time I could accept that things are wrong. But it is for me, it is very difficult for me to treat everything differently. That was very difficult practice for me. to treat things one by one. And to treat one thing means to treat everything, all the rest of things. That much care should be paid when you treat one thing. So even though you realize things are wrong, that is very, you know, very... Kindergarten.

[12:19]

Understand? And then you start how to treat things one by one, each different way, with total care. That is, I think, your practice. shinku myo, shinku myo.

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Have you heard of, this is very important technical term, shinku myo. Shinku is emptiness, real emptiness. Myo is only existence in emptiness. Shinku myo. Unless you get through the idea of emptiness, you are not Buddhist. But if you stick to the emptiness, if you cannot realize, things happen in sheer emptiness. We are not buddhist yet. Since we say should be, something which arrives from

[14:37]

I didn't expect any of that. I didn't expect any of that. I didn't expect any of that. So even though you sit, I'm watching something like sunflower, someone was sitting. in front of sunflower, watching the sunflower in hot sun.

[16:03]

And I tried. It was wonderful. I feel whole universe in the sunflower. That is my experience. But I don't know how someone experienced. Sangha meditation. All in the Sangha. It is not so simple. Very wonderful, wonderfully complicated. You can see whole universe in a small crop. If you say, oh, this is some crop which doesn't really exist, that is not budding practice.

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