According to the Samdhinasana Sutra, how is the other dependent character of phenomena known? Louder. Strongly adhering to the other dependent character as the imputational character? Right. That's how the other dependent character is known. And how is the invitational character known? What? On names that are connected to signs, the imputational character is known.

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The character of conceptual grasping can be known with names and signs. character of dependent origination can be known through conceptual clinging superimposed upon dependent existence. How is the thoroughly established character known? Say it again? The fairly established character is known in the absence of adhering to the other dependent as being imputational? Yeah.

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In dependence upon the absence of strong adherence, I guess the little tiny bits, okay. In the absence of strong adherence to the other dependent character as being the imputational character, a thoroughly established character is known. Or another translation is, the perfected characteristic of reality can be known by not clinging to conceptions superimposed upon dependent existence. Well, I think, yeah, I think that certain conceptions could be still formed, but you wouldn't hold to them as being what's happening.

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By the way, some conceptions, we'll get into this later, but some conceptions are what's happening, and those are okay. But there's a certain type of misconception stop adhering to and superimposing on reality. And that type still could occur. The conception would still be available, like you could be talking to somebody about it, but you wouldn't use it in that case. You wouldn't adhere to it as what's going on, as what's going on. which is actually beyond and non-applicable to this misconception of what's going on. Because, anyway, this is part of the deal. We do need to have some kind of conception going on in order to talk.

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So a kind of subtle topic would be, how does the Buddha talk without confusing the basis for conversation, which is the imputational, with the other dependent character? And according to the Sambhya Nirmacana Sutra, how does the Buddha start teaching wisdom? He starts by teaching a production lack of own being in terms of production. In other words, he starts teaching how phenomena are not self-produced. And then as a result of this teaching, when beings hear this teaching, and I would say when they really hear it or when they hear it and understand it, or at least hear it and let it in and meditate on it, what happens to them?

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They're disappointed in compounded phenomena. In what way are they disappointed? they see them as unstable, they see them as impermanent. So they might be disappointed because they used to think they were stable and permanent. Huh? They might have thought they were reliable, like, you know, a reliable car. You know, let's buy some of these nice, reliable cars. And as we meditate, we start to think that even the reliable brands are not really reliable. So we feel disappointed because we just paid quite a bit for this reliable car. We thought it was going to bring us happiness, reliable happiness, even before you start driving.

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What else happens to them besides being disappointed? They adhere to virtue. What does virtue mean, do you think? Pardon? Turning from self-power. Yeah, turning from self-power, right. And it also means that you're turning away from wrongdoing. And what's wrongdoing? It's belief in self-power? No. It's action based on belief in self-power. Belief isn't really, you know, doing anything. But based on these beliefs you feel uncomfortable and then you want to do something based on these beliefs. And the things you do based on belief in self-power And also when you do things based on belief in self-power, then the things you do and the things you do things to, you think what you do is self-powered and you think the things you're doing things to are self-powered.

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So since they're self-powered and you're self-powered, you get too involved with these things. You get too involved. You brush your teeth with too much anxiety. Because you think, maybe they'll never fall out if I brush them right. Oh, what's the right word? And if they do fall out, you say, well, maybe if I brush them better. So actually, dealing with compounded phenomena with excessive involvement is wrongdoing. Getting away from excessive involvement in working with the world is virtue. And then all these kinds of good things happen as a result of hearing this teaching, turning away from virtue, hearing this teaching, developing these feelings of disaffection towards compounded phenomena.

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And disaffection, by the way, in the bodhisattva practice does not mean you stop loving beings. It's thinking that the beings you love are stable, reliable, permanent. You love impermanent, unreliable, unstable beings. Have you seen any of them? You love those kinds of beings But you know what? What don't you do with those beings anymore once you hear this teaching? What? What? You don't control them, did you say? You don't try to control them. You never could control them. Now you see they're uncontrollable, so you don't control them, right? Trying to control beings, I would say, is wrongdoing. Have you ever tried to control a being? Have you noticed that it's wrongdoing sometimes, especially when you don't succeed?

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When you see that beings are unreliable, unpredictable, uncontrollable, you stop trying to control them. In other words, you give up the wrong type of activity, which is the activity of trying to control beings, including yourself. Even though, in some suttas it says, control this, control that. Well, anyway, some teachings that are wrong are sometimes right for some people. So some people, maybe it helps to say, control yourself. Since you're on a control trip, get with it. And then after that, then now I'll tell you the way things are and then you can see that they're uncontrollable and now you can give up trying to control. So what other ways do you relate to beings when you see them as impermanent, unreliable, unpredictable, uncontrollable? What else do you give up in terms of your relationship? What?

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You will eventually be able to do that, but that's the next step. I'm still at the stage of working with the teaching of the production lack of own being. You haven't yet been able to give up the superimposition of false conceptions. That hasn't happened yet. Okay? Ready to wait for that? At the level of this meditation on other phenomena, how else would you characterize the virtuous way you now relate to impermanent beings? With clarity? Gratitude, yeah. Gratitude, right. And what else? When you feel gratitude for a being, what ways do you relate to it? What? You turn away from attachment. Yeah. What other ways do you turn away from when you're grateful for beings and you see them as impermanent?

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What? No, what do you turn away from when you see these dear little impermanent beings? You turn away from hatred. Yeah. What else do you turn away from? Expectations. What else do you turn away from? Greed. What else do you turn away from? Blame. What else do you turn away from? Huh? Praise. Yeah, what else do you turn away from? Huh? You're not ready to turn away yet for that one. Anyway, I just want to make you turn away from excessive involvement. You know, which is similar to micromanaging. You know? You turn away from excessive involvement with really care about. But now you care about them knowing that you care about something that's impermanent. That knowledge of the impermanence helps you, like, not get prying into, excessively involved.

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...turned into virtue because you're not excessively involved. Also, you don't... To turn away from beings and to abandon them would also be excessive involvement in the negative direction. So you don't abandon them and you don't get in there and make sure they happen just the way you think they should. You hold hands with them and walk through birth and death. And they fall down and you stand with them when they fall down and you talk to them. And if they want you to help them get up, you help them. But, you know, you don't get in there and decide you're going to help them before you find what's appropriate. So this way of practicing virtue gets you more and more ready for the next steps. But I just wanted to say, again, this part in the sutra where it says, basically it's basically saying, even though when you practice on the lack of own being in terms of self-production, you make great progress in this way and give up all these

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wrong ways of acting based on self-power and so on, still you cannot be released completely from attachment and bondage to suffering. You're somewhat free of attachment but not completely free of attachment. So we have to go on to the next level of teaching where we explain character lack of own being, or lack of own being in terms of character and ultimate lack of own being. Then that results in complete liberation and complete giving up of attachment. And just to, I just want to read these three versions of this part of the sutra. So this is after they've heard the teaching and these feelings of disaffection for trying to control the have arisen after you give up trying to make impermanent things permanent and practice virtue as a result.

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So in that they complete everything from the generation of good roots up to the accumulation of merit and wisdom, of virtue and wisdom. However, because they do not understand as they are, in other words, they've heard about the other two, but they do not understand as they are, the two aspects pertaining to the lack of own being in terms of production, that is, the lack of own being in terms of character and the ultimate lack of own being. Because they do not yet understand these other two aspects, the production lack of own being. They do not become wholly averse towards all phenomena, all compounded phenomena. They do not become separated.

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They do not become fully liberated. I wasn't planning on commenting on this, but you notice it says they become disaffected towards or disappointed in or not involved in compounded or compositional phenomena. But it didn't say all phenomena. It's all compositional phenomena. In other words, it's okay, I guess, to continue, or not to continue, but to learn how to be non-averse, to be maybe even excessively involved in a certain type of phenomenon. which is called suchness or emptiness. It's okay to be involved with what's not compositional. So you don't have to turn away from all phenomena.

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It's okay, actually, to turn towards and be really into emptiness or the thoroughly established character. I guess maybe that's all right when you have a chance. The other translation, even though they …roots of goodness until they accomplish the two requisites of virtue and wisdom. Yet, in this essential no-essence of arising, they will not really be able to understand the essential essencelessness of Marx. You know which one that is, right? That's the imputational. That's the lack of own being in terms of putting it. They will not be able to understand and they will not be able to understand the two kinds of essential no-essence of ultimate meaning.

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So there's two kinds of lack of own being. Have you heard about those two? Have you heard about those two? Some of you have, some of you haven't. So we'll tell you more about those. So at the level of meditation we're doing so far, in a way, you haven't yet understood those, and some of you haven't even heard about them. But we're going to eventually get to them. And the other translation I thought also brings another little light to it. It says, even though they cultivate good and accomplish virtue and knowledge in this way, however, they are nevertheless as yet unable to truly know the essencelessness of characteristics and the two kinds of ultimate essencelessness in the essencelessness of birth.

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The essencelessness of birth is the production lack of own being. In other words, when you're meditating on the lack of own being in terms of production or the When you're meditating, in other words, when you're meditating on other dependent phenomena and also in their aspect of lacking a self-production, when you're meditating on that, you still, just on that alone, you cannot see the other two types of essencelessness. But still, we need to be well-stationed in this meditation because, as it says, these other two which we need to be fully liberated are aspects related to this. These other two things which wisdom, they are based on this one. They're aspects of this one, actually.

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The fundamental thing in our life is dependent on our rising. But the fundamental thing is not enough. We have to learn these other two aspects. Okay? So you understand how... In one sense, I want you to really feel how wonderful this meditation is, and at the same time, understand its limitations. It is limited. It's not the whole course. But it's great. And so now I want to just say a few words about how to meditate on the essencelessness of birth, or the essencelessness of arising, or the lack of own being, of production, of permanent phenomena. And again say that, so this is meditation on dependent core arising.

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This is meditation on the other dependent character phenomena. Or this is also meditation on other dependent phenomena. So this first type of mindfulness practice was available in early Buddhism when they said, be mindful of the body, be mindful of the breath, be mindful of states of consciousness. These are dependently co-arisen phenomena. These are other dependent phenomena. These are impermanent phenomena. So the basic Buddhist mindfulness practices are really addressing this too. but they didn't mention in the early days that the body not self-produced. Now at this level of teachings we're being told, well what's an example of other dependent phenomena? The body. Is it good to be mindful of it?

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Yes, because you're meditating on the other dependent character by meditating on the body. This level of And by the way, this body is also an example of a production lack of own being. This body is actually something that arises not by itself. This doesn't have an essence in terms of birth. Now we get that picture too. Now, in the early days, it was possible that people, as they were meditating on the body or the breath or the feelings or other events, in that process, they would realize that the events did not have self-production nature. And that would be good. then they would be doing this. Or that the Buddha would guide them in their mindfulness practice in such a way that they would realize this.

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But there's no mention of it, there's not much mention of it in early teachings. Other ways which I think I'd like to just mention to you to describe this meditation is that it's meditation on the inconceivable. So, you know, you can have a conception of the body, but the way the body is is really beyond your conception. It's meditation on mystery. It's meditation on how we and all things, how we and all dharmas are other-powered. How we're actually other-powered is inconceivable. Like yesterday when Shannon asked, well, should we think about, you know, how, you know, the breath depends on air and lungs and parents. That's a conceivable approach to the other dependent character.

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But actually the way the dependent phenomena, the way it lacks self-power is inconceivable. So actually to enter into meditation on the other dependent character of breath or posture or practice means to enter into an inconceivable realm. The inconceivable realm could be something conceivable, but when you actually enter, you're entering the inconceivable. There is a fascicle in the Shobo Genzo called in Japanese, and it's translated sometimes as light. Ko means light and myo means subtle or wondrous. But it's okay to just translate it as light. But sometimes they translate it as light.

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And also ko-myo is the word for... This statue behind me, the Jizo statue, has a halo behind his head. But sometimes, as you may have seen, like Buddha, sometimes instead of having a halo around it, in addition to having a halo around his head, there's like an aura of flames around him. And that aura of flames is called komyo. So the Buddha sits in the middle of these flames or the spiritual light in those statues. So there's a fascicle called Comeo written by Dogen. His first disciple, Eijo,

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the second ancestor of the tradition in Japan, he wrote a fascicle called Komyozo Zammai, which means absorption in the womb of light, in the womb of this light that the Buddha sits in. And at a certain place in the book, it says something like, trust everything to inhalation and exhalation, and then leap or jump into the womb of light and don't look back. So we're in the world of, oftentimes, we're familiar with being in the world of self-power, of where we think we and other things are made by, or we make ourself, or we make our sitting posture.

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We make our breathing and our breathing makes itself. The inhalation makes the inhalation. We make the inhalation. This kind of attitude we usually start practicing with. So trust everything to this appearance of the breathing and then leap into the light and don't look back. in the realm of where we believe that we are doing the inhalation and we are doing the exhalation, we make them in that realm trust that phenomena completely and then leap into the light. Now, you might wonder, what is the light?

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What is this spiritual light? Which is fine. Now leap into it. Leap out of, in other words, leap out of your, leap out of your, but I mean mine too, me leap out of mine. Because we're not talking about our spiritual nest, we're talking about, you know, my spiritual nest and your spiritual nest. Leap out of the spiritual nest of delusion of self-power and leap into the realm where what's happening is due to others. Leaping into the light means you're leaping beyond your thinking because your thinking cannot figure out leap from where I can do what I want, I'm in complete control, leap from there into the realm where what I want.

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Leap from the realm where you do things and you don't need anybody else to leaping in the realm where your activity needs somebody else, or your activity can't happen without the help of others. And of course you don't know what that is because you need somebody else to help you find out what it is. So you have somebody else who's telling you about somebody else who said, leap into the light. That's how you do it. Leap into the light. Jump out of your nest into the light. Leap into the womb of non-thinking. Leap into the womb of non-thinking and non-doing of just sitting. Leap into just sitting.

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Which means leap into inconceivable sitting. Leap into the way sitting is happening through the kindness of all beings. And it can happen right at your seat. leap into that kind of sitting. Jump from carrying yourself forward to your sitting and doing the sitting, or imposing your strength onto making move from that nest and jump into the place where everything comes forward and realizes you're sitting through you. Leap from one world into the other. This is how you leap from the meditation on self-power into the meditation of other dependent phenomena.

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Did somebody say how? Yeah, that's what you do. You sit there and you say, how? Or you jump and you say, how? Either way. You do not leap. You do not do it. you cannot leap into the womb of light. You cannot sit in Buddha's lap. But you can leap into the realm where you are sitting in Buddha's lap. It is a good practice to give up discursive thought and be calm thereby.

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It's a good practice. It's a useful practice. But the sitting meditation of the Soto Zen tradition, which is the Zazen of our school, is the absorption in this womb of light. And this absorption in the womb of light was transmitted by the Buddha Dipankara to the Buddha Shakyamuni. The Buddha Dipankara was Buddha's teacher before Buddha was born in this world. And Dipankara means burning lamp. the Buddha burning lamp, transmitted the samadhi of light, the samadhi of the womb of light to Shakyamuni before he appeared in this world. And then now we have it in this world through Shakyamuni.

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This is meditation on the lack of production. So Bob says, well, how do you do it? You have to leave, you have to jump out of the nest of how do you do it. You have to leap out of the nest of how do I do it. And jump into the nest of how it happens, not by your power. Do not do this meditation. We are talking about leaping into a meditation which you cannot do. How does it happen? the way it happens is inconceivable. And jumping into this samadhi is, or jumping into this realm and being absorbed there, is being absorbed in how things happen which is beyond your conception of how they happen.

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So you're leaping the realm where you have concepts of how things are happening into the realm where there still may be concepts of how things are happening, but where obviously they do not apply. And you're not any longer trying to apply them. You're in the given up, trying to conceive of how things are made by themselves. Is there any way to cry out for help? Cries of help, but you're in the realm where you realize that all, where you start to realize that all things come together and realize a cry for help in you, rather than you make the cry of help. Before you enter this realm, cry for help.

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in the nest of delusions, you think that you can cry for help all by yourself. Are you familiar with that feeling? That you can do it, you can cry for help, or that you can not cry for help all by yourself. And you can all by your own cry for help. That's what people usually do, actually. They just sit there like, hey, I can not cry for help. Watch. See? Of course, once in a while, a little comes out of the mouth. And I say, whoa, whoa, whoa, we'll get back in there. See, I got myself under control. I'm in control. That's what I tell myself. See, and I told myself, and it's true, I'm in complete control. But there's a creeping sense of deadliness starts to take over the life. People who talk to themselves like that in a mode of feel kind of like, things get kind of stuffy in there, in the closet of self-power.

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The little room where you're in control. Are you completely passive? Passive is, you know, can also be called receptive. When you're in the samadhi, you are completely receptive. Completely receptive. This is called what we chant at noon service often, the self-receiving samadhi. You're in the mode of you receive a self. You don't have a self and then drive it. You receive a self. And then that self you receive, you employ. You go to town with it. a function. You receive, and then there's a function. You receive a function. You receive an activity, so you receive activity.

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You receive activity, so you are receptive and active simultaneously. Absorption in the treasury of light is the same samadhi as the samadhi where you're receiving your activity and At the same moment of receiving, you're employing. You don't receive and then employ. Or you don't take and then employ. Or you don't employ. You receive and employ. This is the same samadhi. This is, as I say, the standard of our sitting meditation. The criterion for it is this self-fulfilling samadhi, being absorbed in this receiving the support that is coming forth and realizing you. You're in that mode. Can you see how all things are coming forth to realize you? No. won't conceive this.

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All the Buddhism ten directions, as it says at the end, can't measure this way that all causes and conditions are converging on you moment by moment to create you. This is inconceivable, and yet you can be in the mode of, hey, thank you very much for a life. And now you're out of the closet, and now you start feeling alive. And when you remember the closet, you maybe get scared because you're not, you know, what's going to happen out here? Well, we don't know. But there is life. Is it dangerous? Yes. It's mostly dangerous that it would go back to your old techniques. which she might do so it's not without danger it is that this danger is heading in the direction realization the other danger is just getting more and more deadly

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Well, you can start by, again, mindfulness practice is also, you know, if you're trying to be mindful of, for example, your body, that's what kind of a phenomenon is mindfulness practice. It's another dependent phenomenon, right? Phenomena. It's not a self-dependent. It's another dependent phenomenon. So you have mindfulness practice. So how do you do mindfulness practice? Well, we're talking about, well, be involved with mindfulness practice as an impermanent thing without getting excessively involved in it. without trying to control your mindfulness, without thinking that your mindfulness practice is a permanent thing. A lot of people who would like to practice mindfulness would like their mindfulness to be a permanent thing. Right? They don't want a mindfulness that happens and goes away.

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Again, turn on the mindfulness and it's there, permanently installed mindfulness. But mindfulness isn't a permanent thing. So if you want to practice mindfulness, like if you want to brush your teeth, if you hear this teaching, the way you practice mindfulness would be without excessive involvement. without trying to micromanage your mindfulness. Even though your mindfulness might be microscopically paying attention to things, you're not trying to micromanage yourself into being microscopically attentive. You're just being, like Mr. Cool, microscopically attentive. Paying attention, meticulous attention to detail without being excessively involved.

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and also being like really cool and relaxed about things without being excessively involved in being really cool and relaxed. You're not trying to make practice or a simplified life or any practice into a permanent thing. You're not trying to do that if you hear this teaching because you realize all practices are impermanent. Even the practice of meditating on what is permanent, for example, the thoroughly established character. Even when you're looking at the way things always turn out to be, the way things are actually established in permanent, permanent time, even when you're looking at this wonderful object of purification, the wonderful ultimate truth, your meditation on that is an impermanent thing. Enlightenment is impermanent. Pardon? Yeah, right.

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Yes. Yeah. Is that where you don't feel like you're doing it? That's right, you don't feel like you're doing it. You feel like you are being created. And this person who feels like they're being created also notices that a great activity of this person is being created. So if you split the two characters apart, you know, ji, ju, yu, zang, mai, ji means self, ju means receive, and yu means function or activity. So if you split them apart, you have self-receiving, receiving, You receive a practice and then you receive an activity. So you receive an activity and then you do the activity. But when they're combined at the same moment, then when you combine receiving and employing together, the translation then is translated as enjoyment or pleasure.

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When the receiving, not to mention taking, and employing are separate, then you don't see that actually the great joy. But actually they're united. So splitting it up is one way to translate it, combining it is another. Combining it, it's called enjoyment or pleasure. The self-receiving, self-employing, or the self-enjoyment, Pleasure Samadhi. Manjushri's name, Manjushri means, one translation would be sweetness and light. The Bodhisattva, sweetness and light. Manjushri emanates a light which is sweet, but also Manjushri lives in the light which is sweet. Because it's the light of where you receive your body and its function, and then it's employed simultaneously.

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You can have conceptions, but you know that they don't apply. You can have a conception of light and see that it doesn't really make it. I can imagine being in the light and then have light fly by and think, oh yeah, that's what this is. You probably would laugh. Sitting in the flames with all the Buddhas, the spiritual flames in the center of the universe with all the Buddhas, and then somebody says light, you think, yeah, that's what's happening here. That really characterizes it. Mm-hmm. or even happiness, or like not happiness, or like whatever, man. Those words can be flying around there. Like Eijo says, Bodhidharma said, basically, outwardly and inwardly give up excessive involvement.

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And then after seven years he understood what that meant. It took him seven years. It might take you seven years. knowing us, not being maybe up to the same level of gifts as the second ancestry, it might take us more than seven years to understand what it means to not be excessively involved in what's happening outside or inside. In other words, in all these impermanent phenomena that are flying all over the place, how to cease getting involved. Again, cease getting involved is kind of like a little bit rough. cease excessive involvement with what's appearing and disappearing. And that's the same as getting ready to jump into the womb of light. And there, Bodhidharma says, how you doing, second ancestor Monkhe? And the second ancestor says, I have no involvements.

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Bodhidharma says, is that nihilistic? He said, no. He said, prove it, he said. and no words reach it. So you can be aware in this light, but no words reach it. And when no words reach it, then you see, you're starting to see that the words that the imputational uses to be, the words are not reaching what's happening and you're starting to open to the thoroughly established character. But first of all, we have to like, train ourselves to enter this samadhi which has many names. Like, you know, at first, you know, when you're meditating on your breathing, on your inhale and exhale, you're being mindful in the realm of the conceivable.

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Your meditation on your breath may start in the realm of the conceivable, And you can conceive of, you know, you being able to concentrate on your breath or something. Or you can conceive of you not being able to. Those are things you can conceive of. In that realm, your breath is long and short. And you can know that your breath is long or short. And you can know that you really think it's true that your breath is long or short. But when you jump into the realm of light, In that realm, inhalation and exhalation are not long or short. In the realm of self-production, in the realm of where you go and practice on things, in that realm, then your practice is Mahayana or or Hinayana. But in the realm of light, your practice is not Mahayana and not not Mahayana.

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It's not Hinayana and it's not not Hinayana. Your practice is light. And you don't own it, and I don't own it, and the Buddhas transmit being in this light, being absorbed in this light. So, The ancestor says, leap into the treasury or the womb of light. This is a gift from the ancestor trying to help us find the conditions. Not the way we're going to concretely jump into the light, Because when you try to concretely jump into the light, you're basically just sitting down deep of delusion. And yet, listening to the teachings, the conditions are accumulating.

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You're hearing the teachings and maybe you're letting them take over your life and make you into this leaper. beyond your thoughts into the inconceivable, which, you know, it's a leaper that leaps through the power of others, through the power of Buddha's words, and all of the Buddha's disciples and all beings support you to enter. And if you notice that you're doing it by your own power, you're just going backwards. which is fine. Then just confess you're going backwards. And if you keep confessing you're going backwards long enough, the conditions for leaping will accumulate. Yes? .

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my mind was looking to the Lord, making myself available to that other side of the meeting. Also, I was just admiring that fire, the practice of fire, has got the practice of fire. And . . . thank you very much I have no complaint whatsoever how about you

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Pardon? I usually have a complaint because I'm trying to be honest and looking inside. I have a friend who's inside. I'm not marching with him. I have no complaint. How about you? Any other complaints? Oh, yes. Yes, yes. Yes? What does it mean? I don't know. Do you? Yes? Yes? Sometimes when you describe this meditation in terms of not getting specifically involved, sometimes I cannot quite tell how different from Shama's thought.

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Not getting specifically involved really isn't this meditation. That's practicing virtue. As a result of hearing this teaching and meditating on it, you will realize things are impermanent. and you will without excessive involvement. Now, if you're wondering how that's different from Samatha, it would be like, you know, that you would practice Samatha, okay, without excessive involvement. In other words, you practice Samatha in a virtuous way. You'd brush your teeth, which is not necessarily Samatha practice. It might be tooth-brushing practice. Or you'd practice giving, or you'd practice precepts, which are not necessarily done in Samatha practice. Or you'd practice patience. But you do these practices just like you do brushing your teeth without excessive involvement.

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You do these practices understanding the teaching that, number one, These things are not arising and your practice with them is not arising by your own power. And partly because of that, all this stuff is impermanent, unpredictable, unreliable. And these things, toothbrushing and even a patient's practices, these things are not reliable. But if you care for them, care for toothbrushing and care for patience practice, care for enthusiasm, care for diligence, care for precept practice, care for giving, if you care for these with an understanding of their other dependent nature, of their lack of production in terms of self-production, if you care for them that way, all these practices become virtue. But if you do, even these so-called nice Buddhist practices or spiritual practices, like giving, with basically a sense that you're driving the giving, and you're using the giving as a control technique, and you think that the giving is permanent, and they give you this kind of attitude, then it's not really virtuous giving.

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So this teaching is a wisdom teaching. It's a teaching which helps you understand how to do all of the practices in a way So they're really actual spiritual practices rather than just a further of the self-centered idea. So, you know, it's like we're talking, sometimes talking about practice having two sides, a compassion side and a wisdom side. You can call me with my right hand to And sometimes compassion is presented in terms of giving, precepts, patience, diligence, and concentration. The wisdom side depends on all those practices, depends on giving up to concentration. But also the wisdom side turns these practices, which are good, into virtue.

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by touching each one of them with the teaching of the production lack of own being. Giving, or you participate in giving knowing that this giving practice is not produced by you. And also, since it's not produced by you and it is produced by all of the things, it is unstable, unreliable, unpredictable. these wonderful practices, okay, knowing that they're not worthy of confidence, then they're beneficial. But if you do them thinking that you can be confident that they're going to give you something by you doing them, then they backfire, just like everything else. Okay? So we have to bring them together but to bring the compassion together with the wisdom so that the compassion practice becomes purified.

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All these virtuous compassion, all these compassion practices really become virtue. And the wisdom can't happen without them. They must happen together. Okay? Yes? Unstable, unreliable, unproducible. Are you saying that all phenomena are unstable, unreliable, unproducible? All compounded phenomena. All compounded phenomena. So when it says here that all phenomena are unproduced, unproduced, and plastic from the start, and that's in the state of Obama, is that uncompounded? Or how do those two statements... How does the impermanence equate with unproduced and unceasing?

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It's not all phenomena are unstable. It's that all compositional, all compounded phenomena are impermanent. Okay? No. The statement, the first statement is what sets this chapter up is the question, you know, first you taught the lack of all these phenomena, and then later you taught that all phenomena lack own being, all phenomena lack own being, all phenomena are unproduced and so on, quiescent from the start and in a state of nirvana. Okay? So how come you taught those two different ways? And then he says, well, what were you thinking of when you taught that? He says, well, I was thinking of these three types of lack of own being or when I taught all things are lack-own-being, all things lack-own-being are quiescent from the start in the state of nirvana and so on.

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I was thinking of these three. Then he explains how he was thinking and in turn led him to say that these phenomena are lack-own-being, are quiescent from the start. Okay? That perspective of the way they lack own being, the way they're quiescent from the start, that's kind of the thoroughly established character of them. But the thoroughly established character, which you can realize about all these impermanent phenomena, these impermanent phenomena also have a thoroughly established character. So we're trying to tune in to the... The base is the other dependent phenomena, which means impermanent phenomena, which means phenomena which are produced but not by themselves. So we're turning into the production center here. But what are we looking at?

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We're looking at things that are produced that don't really exist. don't have own being and how they're quiescent from the start and always in a state of nirvana, first of all we have to look at how they happen. And how they happen is inconceivable. We have to enter into the inconceivable realm of dependent core arising. There we will be then able to hear the teaching of how we impute to them and how actually that false existence doesn't apply and therefore they don't really appear and disappear. They're actually always cool and beyond suffering and they don't have any own being. So the teaching of that they're impermanent means first of all see how they're impermanent and how they lack own being in terms of self-production. Then based on that you can learn the rest of the story. in the thoroughly established story, is that they never really happen, and never cease, and always in nirvana.

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That's a little bit later in the chapter. So there's quite a bit more to learn in the next few pages, not to mention the whole chapter, not to mention the rest of the book. So you can see Buddhist teaching is really like, this is pretty comprehensive. This one little sutra It's very complicated, there's a lot to learn, and so I'm sorry to say that some of you may be studying this for many years. Others of you will escape, I think, soon. May our intention penetrate every

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