February 14th, 1991, Serial No. 00266

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very very side is there anyone else who needed a copy of the of the basic exhibit excellent
have a couple months everyone else have one
yeah with my facebook page
there was the most clients was and missing the page reserve his page will forgo is currently using any below that i don't know i think it was the civilization yeah i skipped out here getting excited i wanted for and then i try to make it well it's kind of like their readers it's use yeah you can configure for the news the agency edited average that
okay the good evening they may me
i'm selling across rucksack once again if anything
i'm i'm carrie
well i've been thinking about the heart sutra
a week i noticed some people are actually using their their champ books in know in the zendo is good and we're trying to do it's actually pretty it's he's need to do it and also meets you sort of
you have to figure out how you handled the again is good
i don't know if people have been
working with the
community members and isn't obviously working with the montreux people
i don't know if anyone can work use a bunch of but actually i like to just remind you onto to keep that in mind and if you feel like it in and work with it and work with it and your be reading i mean it will talk about it in the last class i don't really want to
so get into it now and with its with it's been like com
when i'd like to do tonight let's read the the heart sutra and then we can read these are teacher valentines and then i see
discuss ah
some of the notion of emptiness in the context of of dharma says the heart sutra itself is kind of a crash course in mahayana buddhism or actually in buddhism
and
maplewood i think the stuff that
andrea and judy are going to present will ah will touch on some of that and i will i can go briefly through some of the things and probably raised more questions than it will answer but that's that's okay and we can start thinking about how this really applies to our everyday life so
let's start by
reading the the subject
maha protocol our lives or dies sooner i'm a little and florida voter drive for where the greatest think deeply into a prodigy out of fire and data privacy that off i found this in their own be empty
the and the state from all suffering oh the guy for this guy differ from emptiness and know does not differ from for lands which is form is emptiness that was just emptiness on the same is true and feelings perceptions ornate
in his consciousness oh charlotte on arm was our lige with emptiness they do not appear largest here are not change to ignore a pure do not increase or decrease their roaring and year so far no feelings no recessions know
formations no consciousness still no eyes no ears and nose time no body no money no color no sam a snail mail chase no touch logical mind around eyes until no around of mind consciousness no late nights
and also no extinction of it times we all know old age and as and astra know extinction avenue no suffering no other explanation and no stopping down have no obligation of also know attainment with with an accuracy and only to a and stone crusher are you
to identify is no interests without any hindrance know affairs exists far apart from every for a variety of you live wells in iran is really well as downloader is dependent on prodigy giant of meter and a and would surpass complete perfect enlightenment
therefore know that the fresh out of time into the british i understand that mantra is a great right mantra is iraq
amateur if israel israeli montreux to be able to relieve all suffering and it's true not us so
of our needs a mantra in and mantra has his day at a far as about a firestone that a new orleans on

it was huge the for of can image the bill here
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that's right place
okay
well maybe let's start by reading these and i'm not sure
ah if we're going to discuss them or not but this was a place and it was just really shot out i can just started with go around
the room
who
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they can make the message failed tangled with that
disney knows when the way it works there is it formed an emptiness no time up there
our valen
it's for you
you don't actually doesn't make my buddhist name is actually
two shiki chess
emptiness empty form or formless form
another one of mills little jokes
trying to tell me something
the perfect find it off good that's great
this is a poll by emily dickinson are part of one
i died a few icse i died for beauty but was scarce adjusted in the to when one who died for truth was lane in an adjoining room he questioned softly why i field for beauty i replied and i for truth themselves or one we brethren are he said and
so as kinsmen met and night we talked between the rooms until the laws had reached our lips and covered up our names
last year for point
now i don't have to do a commentary unless you intend to talk to her analysis muslim

valentine's day poem for greg hendrix long before the plymouth barracuda a question begins the great heart sutra with the mantra supreme like a vote in a stream do you get it now oh sheriff putra
i've had that
the
here again yeah
lively for the plymouth barracuda a question begins the great heart sutra with the montrose supreme like a boat in a stream do you get it now sherry putra
it's not about the next newsletter around like a little bit yeah
so i get it after okay

nice
pink concrete cries plum blossoms let go back there
the married
the empty heart

this one is from my friend carol your mind the meridian of sure
ah
beautiful card
well as the tan
says god they got a gotta support
those who had practice buddhism must deeply deeply feel the passing nature of things and have faith in karma
the march which feels the passing nature of things has caused body hurt target
i know she'll like this

don't get one
you can be problems so take some absolutely nothing to correct this was on instagram

fifty
guess what has all gives months
hey
this happy valentine's day from your secret secret scandal
and then a friendship is to get that we give ourselves
central and is this and that short distance distribution wrapping independence statues equals
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of
mouth

once you beat at the speakers came sense to images for or aunt agnes one walking up the hill and come upon a large flowering quince the flowers a startling orange in the last night and many birds the bush is
filled with birds small round belly with a hint of blue children among the blossoms intent upon their work they pay me absolutely no heed as i peer into signing branches shall i still just stem try to carry this brightness home not today
hey never to a picture of you in another time and culture and apis surrounded by manuscripts and greek and latin free now to study and right after a life of managing the monastery holdings the guidance a kitchen and the sewing room
medic mediating disputes and living in community some of that seekers here i think add birds the we are i appreciate your seriousness and steady as some questions especially the ones i don't know i need to ask until you get and voice
he had a flat

sailing beyond the shore beyond the sea beyond the sun into an unknown land invisible reality awakening at last spot

nice sailing beyond the shore beyond the sea beyond the sun into an unknown land invisible reality awakening at last spot
minister
no doubt
i think i wonder why people of iraq he to go my here so obviously right way

working with clay in the evening after school potter's wheel is turning sure hands shape like clay was complete attention each cup is different each cup is perfect
we need a bill on tuesday moines the mind is chimney
a hand hesitate a moment stakes are high
the biggest difference is sam his version
i thought choose like
john chanted you want to read that one that you know

this is a little gutter that my teacher told me when i was a thirty years old
may the wisdom of the can all to passionate one so shine upon our hearts and minds that the midst of air and foolish van to yourself movie to spelled so shall we understand the changing nature of existence and rich spiritual peace
hmm

well
it was quite wonderful
and apologise for people who didn't get valentine's i'm sure we all have you can stay together
maybe maybe before shop in the next week of someone's christmas
into it
president writer has a history
separation
that's okay
well i'm actually really sets a good tone for
some the stuff we're gonna talk about today
where we
of left off last week i was with that
the idea of
emptiness as renunciation
and
the renunciation for negation
and i think that that's only part of the story
that's only that's one side of it ah and the other side's is it's an affirmation
yeah and i think we need to kind of remember that but ah it's good to start by having some idea of what it is exactly that of
where renouncing for that were advised to have heart sutra to renounce and this is some of the stuff of of basic buddhism ah
in a good place to start actually ah let's go back to the title of the
heart sutra and
before we get into on
into a discussion of the dharmas ah well the prime as or dharmas all things are dharmas and what the heart sutra is things that are all dharmas are basically
they have no being on their own
proceed that all five scandals in their own being are empty and we'll talk about with this what this condos are but all dharmas
our empty but i think we need to look a little at what some of these dormice arse of
maybe andrea could talk briefly about the parameters
alan suggested that i
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lossless international said that was one potential to this film and i started reading getting it was
i'm
i enjoyed it in action that was one of crystal seventeen can fight it was
i feel like it was some light air and nine succeed as when i got added be an eastern philosophy and religious and second p g thirteen
yeah i think i'm gonna happen
this is exactly what it says and the
and
harmeet is also known as the six perfections
and the definition of for mutants is that this particular encyclopedia has given is that which has reached the and ashore
for the chance and dental
on the parameters and the is protected by body suffer and course of his development
a funk as well
so the six worms are donna per meter
which means generosity
see that or sheila
not sure the pronunciation which is discipline
shanti a ten which is patience
i'm here yeah
so he said on tampons
farmington is energy exertion or effort
john permitted is meditation
pressure for me to his wisdom
so am
this is six and out how just give you a brief and a brief description of them
where like money
my descriptions i donna is spiritual or and or and giving or generosity being compassionate and kind not keeping accumulated merit to oneself but rather dedicating it to the liberation of all beings
sila or sheila
a proper behavior conducive to the eradication of all passions and securing of have a favorable rebirth for the sake of liberating all things shanti patience and tolerance
that arise from insight that all the problems of beings have causes
varia
resolute effort that does not permit itself to be diverted by anything
gianna meditation as a way of cutting through ego and if not experiencing oneself as separate from other beings
ah and trash and have realization as supreme wisdom
sila is often translated as morality or precepts basically are the precept part of our practices really sila or meta
ah
there is important to realize that these parameters are not like do not like what the body start for us practice
there there would be practice as as body sizes
you can one of us as the heart strengths and weaknesses ah
you know some people like late for me the practice of christianity
patience is really that's really hard one ah
and some of them some of them are easy and some of them and they're all the the balance each other in different ways but what flows through them the
the foundation of them is is prajna ah if you take away prajna from each of these are ah
so-called protections than ah
then they're just sort of our their district abstract practices
and
you say you need for you need this wisdom that sees that the interpenetration of all things and are an intrapreneur penetration of all these parameters you know in order to
ah be able to practice him in a full way in your life so that they have some some meaning ah
i mean it's easy to be to you could say you're passing donna and these generous and to give things away ah but if you
but it's also very easy to give things away with the idea conscious or not of what am i going to get back
ah and it's easy to practice varia
which is vigour or energy by just you know i mean some of us to several this incredible energy and we don't exactly know words words channeled ah you know if you go into into any kind of ah into any kind of activity good or bad but if it's if you have very yeah that
tempered if you if you apply that energy to to your meditation and it's tempered by morality and a and a generous spirit than ah i mean for example those elements coming together on they create wisdom and also they're supported by
wisdom ah this each one of these is a very he said is a topic we could go into ah
in in very great detail i'm not sure how much you want to go into it here
the questions or things it
people want to bring up
what a those terrorists removed by it's not worth the body surface fact as that's what we practice as
what i meant is that your a bodhisattva
ah
that off
what about the other poster is it ok
the other body san francisco is this way
ah like them while i don't know can understand you
to be just trying to pick a bucket no know that period i understood him to sale and it's not something the bodhisattvas setting in clouds practice as right we hear this earth practice we try to practice or this is what we try to practice ah
so when you take the vows are you know you take the for vows after after lecturer you take the ah those are bodhisattva vows you take the bodhisattva precepts and on the full moon a ceremony ah so
it's a way of practicing ah now the purpose of this practices is ah basically to see things as they are but who are these other guys them
which which other guys i don't know if you refer to them i did hear you said these are not the practices of the body so that all the practices of us areas where it's writers well worth the boys the vote he said well avalokiteshvara oh the samantha bhadra tens of thing
thousands of you know not our our hearts enlightened enlightened beings who are
ah
they were in the beginning the right there were there are beginning right but i'm not

well this is an interesting question and for me ah
in a sense they're important to me and another since they're not important at all cause i'm i'm mostly concerned with how
how we live our lives and how we relate to them and if i start thinking of them as ah
beings to revere ah putting them outside myself then are all of a sudden i am
i'm practicing
a religion that is outside of myself
worse if i keep turning inward to look at how these are beings on
are modeled on a kind of the muck in nature of my own life then ah
that's where try to sync with them but and traditionally each is very soft says very terrifying especially ones these permanent
ah
you must've been some of them are yeah some of them are but then there's also thousands of others were you know if you start reading the lotus sutra hey of the old sutras you'll see another their distribution incredible buddhists and forty suffers was with endless long names and each one of them represents a you know a space
tiffin quality or specific ability and i guess the way that that i think of that is ah
know you can think you can think of it as representing a specific ah
you know psychological aspect i don't know how how other people think about ah buddhas and bodhisattvas
i think i i get what you are talking that because i am
my personal experiences that been an army spokesman for thirty saphenous in the brain separate put innocently that and it's like angeles
at the people that didn't saw him walking around on the state
apple pets
i think i i can't wait
the happened to them as people are walking necessary to negate care people at her
fifteen
cousin and standing there for change something extraordinary
not one
i think part of it is to the history that food will trying to establish itself in countries that my nine so sympathetic person or underwriting that it reflected that have you try to build a big make it more
glorious than they are the the nice thing about now is that it's pretty well established only and that can fit of rest assure that you don't have to control the flour we talk and sensors tripped fell away and no can't sort of seen the flower images as
has that
charlie
helen he and boss
cause robert ancient the
de the i was reading the will get amanda clever last night and he sort of sentence if their kiss roshi the would use the term bodhisattva sort of like know like ladies and gentlemen and graduate or address addressed as i sort of aggress the crown say well thirty surface you know your or again
been that was no guns and archie i think you just
started was just gonna say that in the pure land set the jada schuster said there's never a correlation or mentioning of good evening monday cyclists are and kind of thing are having a buddhist the ceremony and so i think when the zen tradition addresses every person who strike
diving as a bloody satellites very encouraging version that everyone has a seat of buddhahood within yeah i think that that is fun and if that's really the point of it ah and ah
you know even though i
i think that are like jodo shinshu still actually has the same point ah in a lot of ways that you you do a practice ah and you you you realize your true nature you know how many people rely on well i don't know people don't they
just they just the oh yeah those are the bloody sad but yeah he's off his on bodhisattva that as commoners aren't you can we can't ever attainment and but that the the point of of then ah
and i think the point of the heart sutra is that you you can do it right now all you have to do is let go of the concepts that you have ah
and so the power meters are ways of their their tools their ways of they're not rules there are ways of practicing that are helpful to you because they'll put you on the path where you can see ah
where you can see things as they are but no one of them by itself is going to do the trick with breathing system
i'm i'm still so
separation of those theresa
it isn't like to the historical food to the an interesting
still is
all these and practices that he said those guys don't have a dump and that's why didn't understand oh i certainly the star of i probably rarely spoke myself ah well as as a situation that seventy three as do like on
but i think they all do practices way

i think you know the buddhas and bodhisattvas do the same practice
ah and as he essentially they do the same practices we are in the idea of the bodhisattva in fact ah which is which is the wonderful idea of my and a buddhism is that the bodhisattva
who keeps returning
they return to this life of suffering to a life where they are born and die out of compassion for all beings ah but ah you know in other forms of buddhism in terrified of buddhism there
there isn't so much and the notion of of their bodhisattvas but there's not so much the notion of bodhisattva way ah so the body way is not like just it's not so much that just out of the great generosity of their hearts they decide they're not going to leave our the the wheel
of birth and death it's that in the concept in the idea of the complete interpenetration and complete interdependence of all beings and all things they can't leave this wheel
that ah there's no way that they can opt out
if they're still suffering in the in in the universe so finds right their compassion to right so
it's tricky you know we take these bodhisattva bath vows but the vows are not our rules their ah their intentions and we break them all the time ah and so for from speaking for myself i break them all
the time ah
and so it's something to keep returning to as a way of practicing but ah
i don't have any choice but to keep returning to to my own suffering ah and but still that there is some non bodhisattvas part of my mind and actually promising is is still my suffering is that ah
sometimes i'd like to get out of

yeah suffering is precisely in the active ah
clinging for of pushing away
ha
and
you will be will read a little bit later ah the hardest thing to understand is exactly how are the workings of desire reveal ah
your and revealed your enlightened mind
and by the bodhisattva keeps returning to this realm of desire such as bodhisattva says camera herself apart from desire they put themselves right in the middle of ah
of desire right in the you know right in the mud of it so ah
and that's it
that's really the point of when we go through some of this material from the tigers cave that's the point that a bora is bringing up over and over and over again and that's really the everyday part of
of our practice that if we think of it is something really rarefied and refined ah then we're we're creating some mental idea that's very apart from just the you know the everyday things that that transpire in our lives and i'm sure
each of us a million stories about this

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yes
why think energy
have you can see it around you off with people i mean not not just in in practice but all in all kinds of situation people that you work with people that you
that you see in different kinds of circumstances there's some people who will throw themselves into something
ah with a kind of energy for vigor ah and it's not so much it's just something that's coming out of them ah it's not ah they don't always choose to do that it could be something in their nature ah and
ah other people may move very slowly or hesitantly ah and perhaps measure out there their energies more
ha
you know just in smaller measures the follow him sing
yeah i just said for my because it was in a little more
i don't i don't think so
i don't have all of the power meters are transcended reactions to were striking in terms of where everyday mundane as we know and recognize but quality that is not mentioned the right they aren't he transcended so they they're beyond and that certainly applies to the end
urging desktop
why don't know what of transcending actions well you know the definition of transcendent i don't know if it is a way i don't understand to means for the draft one thing
after the i was not an undine well that's sort of often
in an effortless stephen i just came out of the an attached to effort could snap
i don't i just heard this joseph cambell thing i couldn't leave from and he just said well look at the word beyond acid
i mean it just so many different things that don't explain and that just the working on is just just says that the essence of transcendence that readers can cater yeah it's something it's something that's beyond words and that it's right we haven't talked to and we've been talking about this in in a more mundane sense and i think that the
xin
tend to emphasize the the mundane part are leaving the transcendent part kind of unspoken about ah little take care of itself well it helped you know if in a way and will take care of itself put another way
it it will take care of itself differently if you have an intention
ha
and you know we have the intention to sit ah we have the intention to to breathe
if we don't have that intention to follow our breath you know our minds can be all over the map ah so we keep bring yourself back to this intention and i think the same thing is true with practicing the parameters that ah
that some of them each of us has these you know has as or as aspects of our lives these parameters in different in different quantities in different balances so ah you know if we feel that
we're weak in some area then we might form it intention to practice more strongly in that area to practice more strongly patients or to put more energy into an in that sense it is mundane and i don't know any other way of reaching
the transcendent but through
but through everyday life in everyday practice but ah
but the idea is to to see things clearly as they are
which which we yet getting get add a description of how that is but that's that is the idea you know there's a
when you if there's a saying the and when you begin to practice of mountains or mountains and rivers or rivers ah and after
practicing for while mountains are not mountains and rivers are not rivers and then when you see things clearly as they are mountains again our mountains and rivers rivers but it's important to understand that
the mountains that are mountains at the beginning is not exactly the same as the mountains that are mountains ideas ah
you know your your understanding
you're seeing these things really clearly laurie i was sucking the glory about
ah so about my questions about form is emptiness and and emptiness is form of this this evening and she dragged out this this book about this thick of our and teachings on emptiness tibetan book said ah than she had looked at it
she read me a passage that said
certain yogis believe that when you practice of
when you when you make an effort to see emptiness really clearly then you lose your ability to see conventional objects clearly and when you make an effort to see conventional objects really clearly ah then you lose your ability to see emptiness clearly
and ah
a buddhist believes that the more clearly you see emptiness and more clearly you see conventional objects and the more clearly you see conventional objects more clearly use the emptiness ah
and you know this gets instant into a discussion of what ah
what form is emptiness and emptiness is form means
i just like to to remind you actually the way this the text reads ah
form does not differ from emptiness emptiness does not differ from form that which is form is emptiness that which is emptiness form and the same is true of feelings perceptions formations consciousness that means feelings or emptiness emptiness feelings percent
oceans or emptiness emptiness is perceptions and then ah
i'll look into foreign ties in a busy all dharmas are marked with emptiness and said question that the translation because i have another paper that i got here some news accounts that and i think impulses for formation yeah yeah yeah and it seems to me that formations as can be done cause you've already got form whereas in
subject anyway what are you it means something quiet provided a changed it's mental formations are gonna
sydney know it's ah so that's considered a better translation that impulse the actually mill changed it somewhere ah
somewhere a couple of years ago
a also formation supposed to be mental formations

this might be the appropriate moment to hear from to the smith
who was reading about the scandals years in the more i read that gun as lucky guess so these are the five these are the five kind of form feelings perceptions formations consciousness for one thing i was talking the melon dog son on tuesday in one thing you said was said the heart sutra
i'm
was written kind of of a as a criticism of the abbey dharma and not saying that the abbey donal is wrong but saying that existed
from what we know as being our body in our mind and their the five constituents of personality as it appears within each of ourselves on
and the five style this define the limits of the faces of grasping after self and grasping what we tend to think of as belonging to sell on and they include anything and everything within my grasp that were sees that
as ourself or as belonging to ourselves or concerning ourselves so basically there's a lot of stuff and saunders form is the first one and it's the material anything that's material or solid and it's particularly it's oh
created with on the body whereas the other correspondence or more are associated more with the mind
and i'm not sure i was working out of three books and i'm not sure where that this perspective
which but i got this out of
but ah what they said was that form is what remains of a person or a thing after the subtraction of the mental or moral qualities and i liked that because it's just kind of know the basic just what's there with that
now all on the steps that we attached to my cynical yeah
form is the physical side of things what remains of a person for a thing after the subtraction of their mental or moral qualities so it's just kind of been on that went in her kitchen yeah i liked that it really is no innate sense to me and
what happens is we respond to form with the six senses and the next war sconces are
those that are associated more with the mind
feelings which can be pleasant unpleasant or neutral and they're more fundamental than just you know pure sensation
it's our the way we develop a relationship things as positive or negative or neutral
and then from feelings we move into perceptions and there's six perceptions which corresponded the sixth sense organs and
the perceptions are based on that which manifests through the form and through the feelings we have about the form on also well manifests by form and feelings and it's also that which doesn't which is not manifested by
quantum mechanics and the perceptions seem to be where we get into ego involvement
and that trungpa elaborated a lot more on the eagle involvement of
i'm perceptions and then impulses or mental formations are all of our active dispositions are tendencies are volition strivings emotions everything conscious or not conscious
and kind of a it's what allows the ego to gather territory now to am
i have more substance and mind body patterns that have different emotional qualities and the avid dharma break some i worked at anybody take there has been wanting abby dharma class where it was broken into like lanka's fifty one emotional qualities i mean i get really ditto
hailed in it and it was too much for me and i didn't even want to tackled at heart into to can you define the retirement what does that alan can catch up on abidjan ivory dominoes like
don't ask me out for her abdomen is a one way to give it is the buddhist psychology oh yeah that all that an analog it's a way of analyzing all of the dharmas ah or it's identifies a whole system of dormice
and then classifies him and it is really a psychological system and is very much you can the operative psychological system of our
of one school of buddhism ah that was so taken on by mahayana and it's whereas it has a harley mckenna these arguments with read rambus remainders it is really into teaching the abbey dharma ah and you know what he says with army dharma this is buddhism
you know ah
and you have to know this
in order to know what it is it your negating
ah if you going to call yourself a buddhist but then
kind of cut through all that we don't talk about the abbey dharma for very much here or and i'm not particularly sure that we have to talk about the abbey dharma to very much the only surgeon doesn't think so now he really doesn't think so far i was there is an entire day
a boy help or abb you know is if you have a nice guy idea of
exodus aesthetic offers writing the goods on very technical road is no very you clinically a joke and slay riding varies but it's one of the three for it's one of the three baskets of the trip indica which is the the total works of the
sort of the founding works of buddhism one basket is the sutras ah we talked to this last week new the other basket is that the vinaya which are the rules for a conduct and for months for months life and the third is the ib dharma which is kind of the commentary and psychological psychological analysis
of of the sutures ah so off
that's basically what it is a i really don't want to get into it too far but we're going to have will get into it before tonight and i will run through our
kind of the abbey dharmic aspects of the heart sutra and that'll leave us actually the last two classes for for they talking about how we work with this would be good to get this material just to get out and you can think about it and look into it more if it interests you and then we see
where does you know how we really practiced with the heart sutra but god so anyway that's
i just talked about malformations our impulses it used to be the fifth one is consciousness and trooper referred to this is being the most important and also the most elusive
the five scanners
the other for said to depend on consciousness and consciousness is articulated in intelligent it helps us while it determines what is good bad right wrong know it kind of defines our morals
so that's what i got i've tried to keep it as brief as i could since good another way to think about this briefly take go over there is we have formed for me note it is
a feelings are just like the bear fewer
and
then
the next one is perceptions or conceptions is already the realm in which we take the feeling and we give it a name ah
and we we make a concept about what it is and then a deformations formations mental formations is what we do
with with that object kind of how we start to think about it ah and in the last one is

the last one is consciousness which is really it's elusive because it flows through ah the other three mental formations and also ah the other three mental standards and also has an element of volition or will to it ah and it's really it's really hard
to ah it's really hard to grasp the other the other three mental ones that i find easier to think about and i've been ah we've been talking at home and we've been a kind of far we have this little laboratory animal in our house for
the formation of scandals ah this little baby and ah
you know when she was when sylvia was born
you know basically you could just see the feelings and that didn't last very long you just see the films good to see i like this you know i'm i'm content or i don't like this and cry or i have a neutral feeling and i'm just kind of spaced out you know it's okay
that's a bad that's a good
but very quickly
within within a couple of weeks she knows what the things are that she likes now her name for the breast or the bottle may not be language as as we know it but it still is it is language is is discriminating ah it's
creating consciousness and so she starts to put a name to the things are have a conception of the things that that she likes the things that she doesn't like and then there's the other things with the things are neutral in probably don't have much renamed for ah
and then
gradually ah she's building up you can see the building up of these mental formations you know it's like ah
if lori me know when she went out to zazen tonight ah after a little while you can sylvie figured out that she wasn't there
you know and it wasn't that there was anything in particular that she needed that i couldn't give her
ha
but
emotionally she had she starts to to make some kind of construction about you know her relationship with her mother and a feeling like she needs this object to our to complete herself and this is very simplistic but ah
but you can see it you can really see it develop developing and just so amazing that's worldwide to me it's really incredible and just saw my friend jerry or friends during leslie just had a a baby and each time you see one of these one or two or three day old babies
it's like our only opportunity for seeing a a being that is without most of this other stuff ah and it's it's quite astonishing is really pretty alien you know but but incredibly moving ah
so is a sweet resort of in looking at that
ah
but it's important to remember that ah
all five of these condors ah in their own being are empty two people a sense of what that what that means
no
tell him tell alice charlie
well of like everything else
the well i not work
we're
i can talk about the restaurant
that they have low life outside their interconnectedness like emptiness to me yours years the merging the interconnectedness of oh
darwin's one
to go yo and all the other two one
so when it says they're empty of their own v it sort of like care well so
ah it of you can't think about their in isolation
from everything else they have a codependence it's to have
the says that if a in the way the the figure and the ground have co-defendants dance as figure ground unit or in graphic oh i was impatient there's always this problem haha
but like what is the ground and what is vigor
well you can't have a figure without ground and you have have grow out of figure or you can have lived without darkness
so that's that's why i understand what was a it's difficult to
i to find the and to misinform well because i spent a large for my adult life reading
popularization so
physics
i think about form sir
as space yet to really decide again in my life over
you know a space as geometry or space is the average objects appear am
spaces and object itself i mean i really i really know that
so i can say with the sure that i have a my own money
wow for the way i can to
and then it's like this falling on with by judy says like form as the patio chairman and said the thing so when product did civilly
as mr
don't it can have difficulty with give off that you have the source of a section in it says that deals with form is emptiness boy medicals and they will all firestorm center and you've got that almost all does not right it years
it is her ears to deal with that
yeah because it seems to so concrete to us
but there but i think the suture means exactly where it served i think your face you know for is perceived why though it really is in the true reality of these things are the areas they say well i can you know one way that
you can look at it
here's something we call a book
now what does the know the booklets of each book has a has a cover
it has pages it has chapters ah and if it didn't have a cover
if it was just and it didn't have it this blue along the binding you can have a bunch of pages right but he wouldn't call it a book
ah and so these thing the book is is interdependent on on the pages and on the glue and as cover and if you had also a few headlines blank if you have blank pages well nowadays they sell these blank books you know but he would have been
you wouldn't think of it the where they sell blank books to fill up with inc
but you wouldn't if somebody tried if somebody put on the if you went into a bookstore and they had like shelves and shelves of like these these blank books you know they wouldn't sell very minute they wouldn't wouldn't be what most people considered and books so the book is empty of
itself in its own being it is dependent on all of these other elements and tick not han actually takes it takes it much much further ah
you know ah the garbage and well that too but also if you are poet you will see clearly that there is a cloud floating in this sheet of paper without a cloud there will be no rain without rain the trees can grow and without trees we cannot make paper the cloud is essential for the
paper to exist if the cloud is not here the sheet of paper cannot be here either so we can see that the cloud in the paper into our
ah if we look into this sheet of paper even more deeply we can see the the sunshine in if the sunshine does not there the forest cannot grow in fact nothing can grow even we can't even we can grow it out to sunshine and so we know that the sunshine is also in this sheet of paper the paper and the sunshine hijo are
if we continue to look we can see the logger who cut the tree and brought it to the mill to be transformed into paper and we can see
and we can see we know that the logger cannot exist out and we can see the wheat we know that the logger cannot exist without his daily bread

and and so on so in that sense ah form is empty of its own be
there is siri that's very accessible to be a sirens data
place it out here but and mason somehow easier to understand something like a flower garlands surgery where you have all in paris songs and the jewel the temple sooner
are within the i have barriers term browsing universities each reference am galaxies and birds dancing in the i'm just like the barbershop was sleeping
so i mean and i just you know what i read stuff like the eyes so now right as killing power but
it's just just a couple of jumps away from from his cancer of the sunlight
they'll have the perfect the south
i think he tries to stay more in the realm of things that we experience no yes i can songs too
one that i heard that was today that was really accessible the name as analysis into the study of on the radio five elements weren't enough she tapes something and it was some college radio now and not like i was playing in my car i hesitated
you're already out there was unanimity complex area best yeah and it was honorary i was on my tape and was about i always forget the details but it was some monk and somehow he had injured his foot and it was bleeding and he was like oh
what is hurting i'm i'm in a sort of thing hurting hit on that was this is the split from his body and the totality and it was that transcendent thing but he was aware of the form and to be rapid something's hurting but is hurt a hit of what turning i really like that and just that you know his awareness of
the form and that it was hurting and it was bleeding and yet that he was interconnect them lantus new like a taxable an excellent thing we can kind of grasp if we can also grasping out of yeah
i don't know if we were were more in line last night
why do you say it's too accessible
we both agree with you say
she's already flowing in any anybody could put it makes you think you get it in yeah that started at all i that's not it to my way of thinking that's that's very nice but that's
ecology is no less is such a psychology it's just a a string of
of ah says yeah of causation and and practical a when i want to say is that any fool could put that list together but i do not wish to be to speak so bluntly and and to speak disrespectfully of what what he saying
i think of my visa it feels very bunny linear does and that's what sort of bugs me about it and what motivates very clear perfect sense and all that but we talk about you know if the practice and since it's not letting i said cycle course girl or you without any sort of idea that
the brand of well it's transcendent well i mean you do not get for mrs same as empty this by talking about it or writing and been thinking or writing of a long line of causation how things were out all you know something
place with it when we should let her spacious garden
go ahead he started
well we talked about five and wind escape money is less lessons were talking about infant labour's us
through an infinite labels
why each of us here
and everything to him then interconnections that still somehow there is more accessible work and for me it's almost suspect in all those build his dance again each other's eyes are sure they can somehow i feel like or line nightline yeah
to be blown in if i think about that long enough that might blow my mind say the same way some music does some enough
yeah but that isn't the news is they can sense an idea make sure sign that and first and it is some sort of
rivera transit girls transcendentalism the music war
you know the suicide of whatever years with this one girl is a little bit different because it's not
it's not something you'd just go on hair if it's like well says once you realize you got it it's gone and so it's not like i'm listening to music and it is no gray and that's however
i hesitate to talk about these experiences but you mentioned that your prologue and so course anyone mentions of the personal yeah definitely now though
why does my sofa this whole i just saw her paper esoteric say something
but
we now rely by understand the euro's it was certainly helped a great deal through you know whatever minor
insights right here
the your
this
the suspension of of a linear time around am
overwhelming sense of of the beauty of of nature of sorts of experiences sir
help me understand really what or compassion is that what arab american and said
one angeles is
in a way all those things really are the same thing them
you can put a word
i'm still trying to use some is a thief
well i i guess my right now
last dream
i think that we are relieved a speech would belongs to speech and what doesn't belong to speech we ought to leave to silence and i think that it's true that would
did not hunt describes is not what we experience after four five days with machine but it is something you can experience by picking a book on the shelf and reading it and i think we have to kind of you know sort of except the packaging you believe this is the way the concept isn't sure it's now
everything but to
you know sometimes i can experience space as being solid but it's not so on and so why should i sit here and tell you about how i've experienced space being solid when in fact we can talk about the other concepts that really are lined up intellectually me that that working an intellectual way and then
the i think they do you know it's a great little idea but when you get down to it than you can end up with things like will yes means no right we felt lonely discourses on that kind of language nine dialectical known no non dualistic language in which you say so
something when she really intend to something to play definitely have the definitions which will still seek a common language and i just think we ought to try and find out how can we talk about swarm of emptiness in a way that means something
real
and then accepted that a limit

what i'd like to do the last few minutes i think we're going to come back to this ah added the more
ah the burning question behind this is has to do with
with clinging
you know could estrogen with a desire and aversion ah and that's that's what i'm that's what i like to come back to next week because our
the if we if we actualizing our life ah and form is emptiness whatever that means and emptiness is form ah then we wouldn't keep getting caught in this cycle of of clinging and we wouldn't be suffering as as we are ah this is
abstract and i'd like to make a concrete next week but i wanted to just go quickly through
through kind of what's been negated here so it's not so this so the text of the other suitors not quite as
abstract in and full language as

and this is going to be really fast
so we we've gone through this goddess and then it's okay put your all dharmas are marked with emptiness and he lists
the then lists a bunch of dorms ah and he list therefore an emptiness no form no feelings no perceptions of formations of consciousness there you have this condoms ah that he says no eyes no ears nose no time no by know mind no color no sound or smell notice notice no object in mind this is and
another ah hinayana or taro vata
system
which is called the optimists or on the ah
a
the fields ah of leaf
it's our it's all of our sense organs plus the organ of consciousness and then
he talks about no color no sound etc these are the since the sense feels so you have the organs that see things and then you have the objects outside that are seen and then no realm of eyes ah
and in all translation says no realm of eyes and so forth until no realm of my consciousness so that means no realm of eyes no realm of years no realm of knows which is kind of the the consciousness the part of your brain that that processes site
that takes the the object and is translated through the organ into the brain ah
and so on and there's there's eighteen of those there's the there's the ah
there's the organ the object and the consciousness these are all this year this is all abi donec material ah
until no run mind consciousness know ignorance and also know extinction no no extension of it until the know old age and death and also know extinction of it
no suffering so so no ignorance and know extinction of it until no old age and death and no excuse in also notes ensure that this is our the wheel of causation or the wheel of life ah and
that's a really key concept where you go through ah
you go through ignorance to be reborn
and then you go through all these all these other stages and we could get into that if we wanted to but that's it's like another is this sutra is taking these basic buddhist concepts and just slashing them down so takes its we've got rid of the scanned as gotten rid of the elements we've gotten rid of the field
gotten in the consciousness we've gotten rid of the wheel of life and then we can actually the next thing you get rid of is no suffering or origination no stopping your path as anyone know what that is that the four noble truths that's right need right
somebody take to four noble truths let's get rid of that ah
no cognition
and also know attainment know attainment means
ah you know no realization know enlightenment know becoming a bodhisattva or a buddha
with nothing to attain with nothing to attain the body software depends on prajna per meter and the mind is no hindrance ah
needs with with nothing to attain with no thought no gaining thought the bodhisattva is just seeing things as they are empty and interdependent ah
and now new record it out without names and numbers right without without having to have somewhere back there actually are
the we can find notify the next next week there is this big chart of dharmas ah
and of they use that to the isn't and the thursday morning class of pier is so right
so ah
and sit where nuclear plant right so actually
the next sentence which is a really important one for me
without any hindrance no fears exist and i would like to come back and talk about that because
our clinging is rooted in our fears rude in are clinging and our cleaning is rooted in our fear a our fear of letting go of fear of really
experiencing things as they are ah
because all of our conditioning is it supposed to that ah and
so then you get this affirmation without any hindrance to fears exists you so you're moving from this really is
intellectual slash and burn ah
to a more positive place first without any hindrance or fears of this ah was not so bad after all and far apart from every perverted view one dwells in nirvana it's getting to look better and better should never have happened i was like having a lot of us based on like determinants right it depends on
in prajna are meta repent depends on seeing things just as they are i seeing them empty and everywhere you look you're looking through
things to understand that they are completely independent they're completely interdependent ah
and also seeing this independent this interdependence seeing the emptiness as form which is a whole other question that i'd like you to think about for next week at the of remind you what the analysts and then you get
you get into the partner part me to mantra so you go is you can think of this is sort of the stages of practice prickly of of and it's really appropriate to a zen student i think you know that it begins with this tremendous deep and ah it was kind
of fathomless questioning and doubt will doubt everything you know we come into this practice thinking and our western mind but i'd clearly is true of the eastern minds as well think that there are things that are real my soul is real my brain is real my body is
real ah my car is real ah my job is real my job on we'll fall
so you know job searches you use can you think all these things are real ah and when you launch into practice practice is so really expressing this great doubt
ha and from that doubt
out of that doubt and out of the practice you begin to find something that you can count on which is your way of seeing how things interpenetrate and it begins to take a little of the weight off ah and it begins to feel more ah
you begin to feel that you can move more freely in your life so it becomes more affirming and then by the end i you know you proclaim his mantra got they've got a partner got a forest and content body spots like hallelujah you know ah so i think it will stop there
but what i'd like you to think about you think about any of the stuff that you have questions on ah
any of this more technical stuff and we can talk about that some please think about questions for what i'd like you to think about and to start off the discussion next next week is what does are comfortable about form is emptiness like you think about what does emptiness is form mean
mom because it's a lot more slippery think ah and
it also they really go hand in hand that if you if you're just live in i think there's a way in which is easy to see form is emptiness because he's a hat-trick to see an intellectually but if you pair it with emptiness is form then you have a big questions so maybe try to think about that
okay
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