variously translated as undivided undivided activity or the whole works, which is a nice play on words or total dynamic working, which I am I'm generally inclined to to go with. So in these recent days, like many of you, I feel in the midst of a swirling, a rapidly swirling reality, a reality of change, a reality of loss, a reality of difficulty. And sometimes it's hard to stay upright and steady.

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In the Blue Cliff Record, one of the the key collections of Kahan stories that we have, the 61st case is familiar to too many of you. It says, if one raises a speck of dust, the house and the nation flourish. If a speck of dust is not raised, the house and the nation perish. It's actually interesting to consider this in terms of the covid-19 virus. Raising or not raising a speck of dust or a particle of virus, its import is actually reversed.

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So I want to read you a little from Zanki. Zanki. And we'll have a chance to explore it and. Actually discuss it among ourselves. At one point, it says. Life is like one riding in a boat. So in this boat, one works the sail, the rudder and the pole. The boat carries one and even and one is nothing without the boat. Riding in the boat, one even causes the boat to be a boat. One should meditate on this precise point. At this very moment, the boat. Is the world.

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Even the sky, the water and the shore have all become circumstances of the boat. Unlike circumstances which are not the boat. So, in other words, there is no boat. Unless there's you. Unless there's the sky and the water. If those things are not missing or missing, then the boat is just a piece of wood. Stranded on the shore that has a peculiar open shape. It's not until all of those elements combine and we get in. That you can call the boat a boat. This is really a wonderful example of total dynamic working. Nothing exists until all of the proper causes and conditions cooperate.

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For this reason to go on for this reason. Life is causing life. Life causes us to be ourselves. And you could say. All of the elements of our body. And mind and circumstances. Cause us to manifest life. When riding in the boat. The mind and body. Object and subject. Are all workings of the boat. The whole earth and all of space are both workings of the boat. We that are life. Life that is we are the same way. So the boat is an analogy. For the entirety of our of our life.

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It says a little further. Zen master Engo said in birth. There is total dynamic working. In death there is total dynamic working. One should thoroughly investigate and understand the same. So I was I was put in mind of this. Because on Thursday evening. So Jim Roshi spoke about birth and death. To the assembled sangha. And. Indirectly he was commenting. Both on this fascicle. And also on. A kind of partner in fascicle. Short fascicle which by Dogen which is called Shoji or birth and death. So again going on a little in Zinky.

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Dogen says. In the manifestation of this total dynamic working. There is birth and there is death. Therefore the total dynamic working of birth. And death. Are like a person. Bending their arm. Bending and straightening their arm. In that act. There are so many spiritual powers and lights. Which are manifest. In other words in this simple act. Of bending and straightening your arm. There is a limitless. Mystery. How do we do this? How does our body. Do this so easily. And so readily. And. Recognizing that there comes a time.

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In our physical. And mental life when. It's almost. It might be impossible to imagine bending your arm like this. Right now it seems very simple to me. I know there will come a time. When. Despite the greatest effort I can make. This mystery will be beyond me. So. As I said. Zenki this short fascicle is partnered with. Often partnered with Shoji. Birth and death. And they've been very much on my mind. They both point to this. Ceaseless reality. Of birth and death. In its various. And infinite. Locations in time. By that I mean.

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We can think of. Birth and death. Over the course of an entire lifetime. You know the span of whatever years. We are allowed. Or. According to. Some schools of Buddhism and other religions. Over several lifetimes. And at the same time. We live. By moment. We live in moment by moment. Birth and death. The birth and death. The rising and passing away of. A tiny feeling or sensation. A thought. Or a particular event. I don't know if any of you saw this. I saw it on.

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On the news and also on some Facebook posts. If anybody saw the collapse of the radio telescope. In Arecibo, Puerto Rico. On December 1st. This huge. Telescope complex. It's fantastic. Big receiving dish. And then 350 feet above it. Let's say all the control apparatus. And electronics. In one moment it was just as it has been. Intact for decades. In the next moment. One cable snapped. Single cable. And the entire structure. Catastrophically failed. And plummeted.

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The electronics. Which were massive. Plummeted more than 300 feet. To smash the radio. The receiving disk. Dish. And they had some video of it. And just it all happens within 10 seconds. And it's gone. So all these years. That I've been at Berkley's end center. At this time of year. We would usually be in Rojas. Right now we'd be right in the middle of it. We'd maybe have been crossed over. That threshold of intense pain. Into a kind of normalization.

[11:58]

Of aching knees. And Samadhi. And this is our Rohotsu Sesshin. Rohotsu Sesshin celebrates. The Buddha's enlightenment. Which in the early days. The East Asian calendar. Falls on. The eighth day of the 12th month. Which is what Rohotsu translates to. The word Rohotsu. And. After all these years. I don't know 37 years of doing that. That I've done it this year. It's different. Because of the pandemic. So we're not having our usual Rohotsu. We're having I will say we're having an abbreviated. Three day Rohotsu. So-called Rohotsu from.

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December 19th to 21st. And I think that the sign up is available. On the website. So please do join us for that. And. So that's different. Usually. On the 8th of December. We would celebrate Buddha's enlightenment. And we do this. With a great with great joy. In the Zendo circumambulating. The Zendo and. Tossing flowers wildly. Into the air and and at each other. It's really fun. And it's very celebratory celebratory. Of all of our enlightenment. And we haven't figured out. How to toss flowers digitally. So it's too complicated.

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To do this ceremony. And then last night. We celebrated. Also we would usually celebrate during Sesshin. We celebrated the passing of Suzuki Roshi. Suzuki Roshi's memorial ceremony. Which marks his passing on the. The first day of Sesshin. In 1971. 49 years ago. So. Things are different. Because of causes and conditions. Because of the total dynamic working. The circumstances. Of this moment what's born. Is different than what we might have expected. And that's fine. Some years ago. I remember I can't quite remember the context.

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Someone asked Sojin Roshi. What he thought about. The wonderful practice and community. That we have here at Berkley Zen Center. And what I recall is that his answer was something like. Yes, it's. It's really wonderful. And you know. It can all go away in a moment. Poof. Just like that. You know, just like what happened to the radio telescope at Arecibo. So total dynamic working. The unfolding of cause and effect. Yesterday. Governor Newsom. Announced a shelter at home order.

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For large parts. Of California beginning tomorrow I think. Alameda County. And the city of Berkeley. They've made their own stay at home order. Which is operative until January 4th. And that means that people should congregate only within their own household. I take that to mean. No more. Walks with. With residents here or with others. Just Laurie and I can hang out. And. The headlines in Berkeley side. This morning said something like. Well, the social bubbles are popped. And this is total dynamic working.

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As it applies to. The hazards of sickness and death. I accept it. I accept this order. I don't resist it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to observe it. Without a lot of protest without any protest. But with concern. And with regret. I had a dream last night and not quite sure what the relevance of this dream is, but. In the dream, somehow, because of. The fact that we had a lot of vacancies in our residency here at BCC. We kind of suddenly.

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Without a lot of discussion. We sold the building next door. We sold 1929 where the community room and the kitchen, the library are. We sold that building to someone. And they changed the locks and we couldn't get in. And. Then, not surprisingly, it was a cascading. Series of. Events and confusions about. Well, what do we do now that we don't have this community meeting space? Which I think is interesting, given the fact that. Right now, we don't have this community meeting space. So I'm not sure what the impact of that in the midst of this dream.

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You know, dreams are really interesting in the midst of this dream. I was I was. Somewhat consciously thinking about. Preparing for this talk. And. What was in the dream? It seemed so immediately relevant. To the question of total dynamic working. And it was like, wow, I really have to. Share this and talk about this. Right now, I'm not exactly sure how it connects, but. I think it goes back to. Really. Taking in. What Sojourner Roshi said.

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About the impermanence of everything. The impermanence of our of our physical life. The impermanence of Berkley Zen Center. How quickly things can change. You know how quickly. They have changed. For all of us in the last nine months. And we keep sort of hoping. And yearning for so-called. Normality, but. Really, we just have this dream of normality. You know, normality is just kind of what. All we call in normality is what we've experienced in the past. And that. May not apply going further. So we can't. I mean, the the fact of. Total dynamic working is. To remain flexible and fluid.

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This is the and this is the fact of. This is the fact of Zazen. The fact of Zazen is to maintain. An openness. To everything that occurs. So. It means investigating the Dharmas. And it also means accepting them, including each one. Whether they are pleasant, unpleasant or neutral. It means allowing. The activity of birth and death. Allowing. The constant unfolding. Of this total dynamic working. There's a really excellent. If you Google Zenki. One of the first things that's going to come up.

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Is. A lecture by Sojin Roshi. That he gave in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. I think in 2008. And it's really, really good talk. And in that talk, he says. He says this. He's commenting on. Zenki. And he says, wherever you are. Wherever you stand is the center of the universe. But it doesn't mean that you are alone. That you alone are the center of the universe. Wherever anybody stands. Is also the center of the universe. So everyone. And everything is standing.

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In the center of the universe together. Even though we are all. In different places. So one thing I take away from. From these comment and also from Zenki as a whole. Is. I think one of the really important points. That Dogen makes over and over again in his. He's writing in his teaching. Is. To learn. To see. The world around us and to see ourselves. From an from ever shifting. Points of view. Never to be caught in one view.

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And saying this is it. You know. Or. In a kind of more. Vernacular terms. I. Tend to cringe. When I hear people say. This is my truth. As if you know. It's fixed. And that's it. And I feel it. And that's the way it is. Because I've learned. That my truth. What I think to be my truth one moment. Shifts according to the causes and conditions. And I think that the message of this. Zazen practice. Is that things are always shifting. And if we really allow that. Then we can become. Flexible.

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And open. Not in some abstract way. But really actually open. To all the people. And all the situations around and within us. That we can. Recognize that whatever. We grant as shifting within. Myself. It's also happening for. Everyone else. So in his commentary. You know so generous is talking about. The large matter of each individual's. Perspective each person's birth and death. Which are certainly if we see. In order to when we see ourselves as the center of the world. The center of the universe. That's a big thing. That's a big thing for us. But such an explains.

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The Buddha Dharma. Is really about. Small. Individual particular things. That have no inherent existence. In themselves. Those are called Dharmas. And the Dharmas themselves as we know from the heart sutra are empty. And they themselves are. Are. Go constructed of. Other causes and conditions. But the small things. That. Create our world. And it's our small actions. Are small were words. The small ways that we interact with each other and with. The things around us that. Really. Create. Heaven and hell. And surgeon goes on he says.

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For Dogen being confirmed by all Dharmas. In other words allowing all Dharmas to arise. Is proven. By the fact of oneself. In Zaza. So that's a. That's a kind of. Complex expression. Proven by the fact of oneself. In Zaza. One way that I can take that is to see that. From these. Empty Dharmas. I have a sense of myself. Even though that itself is empty. And I may feel it in Zaza. And I also may feel it.

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Loosen. And fade in Zaza. And then immediately come back. When the bell rings. But to have this fluidity. This fluidity of the whole works. To see that. From one. Perspective of time. Things are swirling our world is swirling my world is swirling. And sometimes it throws me off balance. But that's just from one perspective of time. From another perspective of time. It's like being in the bottom of the ocean. In the bottom of the ocean. Even though everything is fluid. And things are changing. It appears like there's this great stillness.

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That's true. Only in the perspective of. Only in the frame of time, by which you are looking at it. So we have to constantly. Constantly. Have the long view. And I've had this experience. I'm sure that all of you have had this experience in your life. Where something happens. Say that was. Something happened years ago. That was painful. Actually, this happened. An example of this came up, which I'm not going to. Be specific about came up yesterday. It was something that occurred. That occurred in my life and in my circle of activity. That was very painful to me. And. Yesterday.

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Out of the blue. A person called me up and said, could we talk about that? I recognize something happened there. And. Maybe we can have a discussion about it. So I've come to have faith. In. Not just the fluidity of existence, but the fluidity of time. So. I don't want to get any more abstract than this. Because I think that in essence. This is not an abstract thing. This is this is something that takes on a takes. Takes place on a molecular. On an intellectual. On an interrelational basis in our. In our very contact with the people around us. So. This is a hard time.

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And sometimes. It's swirling and I feel dizzy. And I may want to take to my bed. And sometimes. I feel. Clear and present. And each of those circumstances. I really try not to prefer. One over the other. My effort is to. Accept them. As they are. Accept things as it is. And. Understand. That. This principle of total dynamic working. Is also the law of impermanence and non-self. And it's my choice. Those are two of the three marks of existence.

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The third mark is conventionally. Duca or suffering. And my understanding is that. Suffering is contingent. On one's attitude towards. Impermanence and non-self. If you if I resist it. Then suffering is inevitable. If I say. Well, you know, that's the law. That's the way they are. Then. I can be free. So I'm constantly asking myself. In the midst of this total dynamic working. Where am I? And I would. I pass that question to you. Where are you? So thank you very much.

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And I think we have time for some. We have good time for some question and discussion. Just a couple of words about question. Questions. So. As you know, you can either. Raise your virtual hand to the bottom of your screen. Or pose a question in the chat box, which I'll keep an eye on. And pass it along to hose on. And we ask you be as brief as possible. More than one follow-up question, just so we can. Allow for as many voices. As possible. And if you don't usually ask a question. I invite you to do so. And. Please, when you. Ask your question. You can unmute yourself. And lower your hand. And if you forget, I'll do it for you. Thank you. It looks like Leslie has a question.

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Leslie, would you like to turn on your mic? I think it's going to be Jake. Okay. Thank you. I just want to see hose on. Speaker. Thank you. For a very rich talk. When you mentioned our CBO. It brought to mind that the purpose of our CBO. With its multi. Ray of. Just was to look for extraterrestrial life. That's out of the question now for a while. But when you talked about. Each one of us is the center of the universe. I'm the center of my universe. You're in the center of your universe, et cetera. Without human perspective. Without human point of view. Where is the center of the universe? Is there a center of the universe? No. I mean, yeah. According to Buddha Dharma.

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There would be no you. There's no universe. Right. So if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it. There's no tree that falls. I, I think that's the, that's the. Orthodox interpretation. I have a little trouble with that, but, you know, and maybe you do too. I did. Yeah. But, but you have to see it. It's that's because you have an idea of a tree. You know, we, we have these concepts that just keep, you know, it's like turtles all the way down. We have these, these concepts that, that are piled and interconnected with each other. So I don't know. What I do know is. Just that you and I each have to pay attention to our, to our perception.

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This is, this is what Laurie's talk. Laurie's talk was about this last. Was it last week? We've been, we've been studying and struggling and arguing over yoga chara mind only school. Buddhist philosophy for the last eight or nine months. So I'm just giving you. I'm not telling you what I think, because I don't know. I know that whatever I think is conditioned. But I'm just saying what, what I've been reading with some difficulty in these texts. This is a final add on from what I've read. Astronomers say that wherever being is consciousness, that is the center of the universe. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. We have a comment from Sean, who says in the chat, I interpret speaking one's truth in quotations is the opposite of being silenced.

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Being okay with who you are and what you have said in the moment. Yeah, well, that's right. And that's an, that's an example of the fact of conditionality. I would not argue with that at all. The context there is the very, to me, the very real context that, that people are silenced and that it's, it's really important for those people to speak. I have, I am challenged by the idea. To me, the idea of truth is itself conditional. What's true for me may not be true for you.

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And actually, what we have to find in, in action together, in dialogue together, in exploration together is what we can, what we actually, what ground of agreement. We can find what space to be able to cooperate. That, that is, that's the space for me of truth, but that's, but again, that's my opinion, and I don't feel fixed on it but I, I think that Sean's point is a good one. Okay, Sam K has his hand up. Sam, can you turn on your mic. Hi, thank you for taking my question. You talked about these feelings of, you know, feeling just like you want to go to sleep and kind of get away from it all versus, you know, being clear minded.

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And then accepting that. And that seems like a very core idea. And, but, and a big challenge, because one wants to be delighted in the clear minded times and try to avoid those times when you just want to get away from it all. And you feel like you're suffering and go to sleep. And so I wonder, and you mentioned the word except I think in those times, and I wonder if there's a similar word allow. Yeah, I think that better, that's a better word. And so if to allow that. Does that mean, what is the practice then so is the practice to then go to sleep, or what is the practice.

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I don't have a prescription. You know, I, certainly there's circumstances that I've experienced in the face of really in the face of depression, where every gravitational force is trying to literally or figuratively pull me into bed and pull the covers off. So from my head, right. And what I've learned through experience is to be kind to myself, and also to push myself a little harder because I know that it will be the relational option is the one that's going to move me into the next moment. And I know that, you know, just hiding out and it can be really pathologically hiding out is not going to serve me very well but but I allow.

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It's like you allow. So, this is the difference between we've talked about this a lot, being pushed or pulled around by your karma, or living by Val. Living by Val is not like beating yourself up or forcing you to do something is just remembering what my Val is you know if my Val is not to turn away from whatever I'm feeling. Then I may decide to get get out of bed get dressed and go outside. But I don't have an instruction book for this. But allow is a better word than accept. Well, the one thing I just struggle with a little bit is just the idea of following feelings. I'm not, I wonder if that's problematic.

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Did I say following feelings? No, no, you didn't say that, but so but I think I wonder, so it's just what comes up for me when you talk about this. When you talk about the word allow, sometimes I imagine following feelings and I'm wondering if that's problematic. It might be, but what I'm talking by allowing is allowing myself to have the feeling, which is different than acting on the feeling. Okay. This is the distinction between to be to get angry or to feel hurt is there's nothing abnormal about that. That's just human activity. And then the question is, do you want to get pushed into something reactive in relation to acting on that feeling? Or do you have, do I have a vow to return to that can help me in this difficult moment?

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Oh, I'm having this feeling. How in accord with the Dharma, how would I want to respond? Respond, not react. That's our life's work. Thank you. Thank you. Good question. Where do you live? I live in Berkeley. Have we met before? We have a while ago. It was a long time ago, but good. Well, thank you for being here. Thank you. Next up, we have Helen. Oh, hi. I had a question, but I think I was on. You just answered it. You can move on to the next person. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Then next we have Stephanie. Stephanie, yes. Oh, here she comes. Ellen. I wanted to thank you so much for your talk.

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Thank you. Working with people as I do during the pandemic, our practice of impermanence and helping or supporting my clients in really sitting with the fact that this will not always be the way it is, is really helpful. I also appreciate how authentic you are in sharing your feelings and thoughts about yourself. It really inspires others, including me, to do the same. So thank you so much. Thank you, Stephanie. Thank you for doing that work. It's really important. All those who can support others are just really precious in this moment. Thank you, Jose. I appreciate that. Thank you. Okay, next we have Jeannette or Janae. I'm sorry if I got it wrong.

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That's okay. Thank you. Just so I don't make the same mistake next week. It is Janae. It is Janae. Thank you. Janae. Thank you. So are you hearing me because I am the sound is coming and going from. No, it's fine. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I can't see. Oh, there you are. Thank you so much. Two things. Relating to what Sam just brought up about following your feelings. You had said earlier that you're always asking yourself, where am I? Did I get that right? Okay. Because the sound is cutting out. I don't get everything that's being said. So my question is, when you're asking that, are you investigating what you're feeling?

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Or is that part of it? Or is it something larger? I have two questions. That's the first one. Well, let me give you an instruction that maybe is a simplistic response. It's a practice that certainly Sojourner has given me and many people. And I will say, you should always know where your feet are. So where am I is a very literal question. Got it. Okay. I mean, okay, I'm seeing that right now. I realized, oh, my feet are kind of scrunched up behind me. And it's like, oh, wait, Val, put them flat on the ground so that my energy and weight is balanced. And so we're always, this is just what we're doing in Zazen.

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We're constantly readjusting our posture to have ourselves in alignment. And so that's where I start. And then it moves from there. It moves from the physical, just like the five skandhas, through all of the mental, all of the states of mind. So that's what I would say to that. Good. Thank you. The other part is, when you spoke earlier of a person saying, this is my truth, and that you would kind of flinch because that inferred that that truth was, you know, rigid and not malleable or open to change. But could you, would it be valid to say in the moment, in a very conditional way, to say something like that, meaning, where I am this moment, this is how things appear to me or feel to me.

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But with that flexibility of knowing that it will change or allowing it to change or to be affected by what you're getting back from the other. Yeah, I think I failed to contextualize that properly. And the context that comes from my experience is that often when that said, what it's saying is, I really don't care what you think. This is the way it is. This is my truth. And so, but I think from what you're saying, and what Sean was saying, yes, it's true. There's a broader context than that. It doesn't have to be this, doesn't need to have an aspect of aggression or assertiveness to it necessarily.

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And I need to listen to it too. So thank you for that correction. Thank you, Cynthia. Hey, Hozon, just a time check. We have four more questions for you. Yeah, let's just take those and then close. Okay. Okay. So, Kika, can you please unmute yourself? Thank you. Thank you, Hozon. You know, you talked about openness. This kind of relates to Sam's question or possibly Helen's question. You know, openness is such an important part of our practice, my practice, and closedness is always looming. You know, Sojin trains us to look at the opposite side. So what's the most important aspect of openness?

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And how do we hold openness and closeness at the same time? You know, how do we hold it when we see that we're closed, if we see that we're closed? You know what, the image that comes to mind immediately when you said that, I thought of a clam. There's sometimes when a clam needs to be open and there may be sometimes when a clam needs to be closed. It will never stay closed. So even if you feel, when I feel the instinctive closing or backing away, I try to recognize that I'm doing it and I don't force myself to open. If I can, I would say, you know, I need to step back and reflect on this, think about this, collect myself, and I'll get back to you.

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You know, so if I close, I know I'm not going to stay closed. And if I'm open, I have no idealization that I'm always going to be open. So it sounds like, you know, acceptance, some kind of deep acceptance of whatever state you might be passing through or might be passing through you. Yes, and I really like Sam's word allow, you know, or include, which Suzuki Roshi talks about a lot. And inclusiveness is actually Thich Nhat Hanh's, his translation or interpretation of the fourth Brahma-vihara, Upeka, which we translate usually as equanimity. He translates it as inclusiveness. I think that's fantastic.

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Yeah, that makes sense to me. Equanimity as inclusivity and including, I think. And it just reminds me just, you know, that allowance is being gentle with ourselves and accepting these parts of ourselves that are hard for us to accept. So thank you. Thank you. OK, there's two comments and a question in the chat box. First, Deb, excuse me, Deb Self said the tree isn't the center of the universe. And Ross Plum said when Suzuki was asked the question of whether a fallen tree makes a sound in the forest, if no one is there to hear it, he said it doesn't matter. And then finally from the chat box, I want to just respond quickly to Deb. Yes, you are completely right.

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The tree is its own being and the tree is the center of the universe, too. It's only from our anthropomorphic, anthropocentric perspective that we think that it's human consciousness that is the only kind of consciousness. That is not the case. Thank you for correcting my misspeaking. OK, now Heiko has a question. Could you compare or contrast original face with total dynamic working? Not off the top of my head. Let's come back to that, Heiko. I have to think about that. OK, next, either Randy or Charlie has a question. It's Charlie. Thank you. Terrific talk. When you talked about Arecibo and just prior to that, the collapse of BCC, I thought about maintenance and how important maintenance is.

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Arecibo collapsed because one cable broke. In the Navy, on aircraft carriers and other ships, wire ropes are replaced on a regular basis and there are logs kept on every wire and when they should be replaced. So without maintenance, we endanger ourselves by bad habits. And the bad habit that might collapse the Zen Center, of course, are the three poisons. So I just wanted to make that connection and see what you had to say. I think you're completely right. And the maintenance exists on a mental level.

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And also, let's not forget Ross and Rob Lyons and all the other people who are constantly doing these little unseen tasks of maintenance and maintaining our digital practice. All this is part of the total dynamic working of Berkley's Zen Center. It's great. And it's necessary. So thank you. Finally, we have a question from Joel. Hi, Hosam. Thanks for a lovely talk. Really beautiful. Just a quick comment and your reaction. When you said total dynamic working is the whole works, I was struck because I have this expression, which I've used all the time, that we try to be one with the whole mess.

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Kind of pointing out to the swirling and confusion. So I just wondered what your reaction might be to that, because it was something that I've said a lot to people, that we try to be one with the wholeness. Does that make sense? Stop crying. You cannot be other than one with the wholeness. Okay, great. Okay, thank you. That's terrific. Thanks, man. You can be deluded. You may be deluded that you're not one with the wholeness. I'm sorry. You are. Okay. Thank you all. And, you know, have a good weekend and a good day. And we close with the four vows. Is that correct? Okay.

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