Six "Wrong" Ways of Practice

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and number this
this morning movie
this morning i'm going to talk about
six
practices six ways a practice exam which are not she composer
netherlands which are not our practice
where is she can pass
she can cause a is just silly
just doing
which is very simple but
maybe most difficult
at some point we have to get over a certain
psychological or
ha
hmm
habitual way
for him
doing something for the sake of something else
so just to sit for this for the sake of sitting
is she contends it
just to know city and sitting
not to gain something
what for some other reason
so
although enlightenment is important we don't fit the gain enlightenment
on the progress is important we don't sit to make progress
he simply sit to sit
that's an easy

i've talked about these before
but some will remember someone that
anyway it's always good to go over these because we should examine why we're doing what we're doing
so is the kind of self examination
how is this why i'm doing sitting this why practice ha
hmm
anime
so these are six types of then which are not she composer
ah
what is called the zen of hell
would you may or may not have experienced food
my of britain's a one way or another but this is this venom help is very specific specific to people who don't really wanna do it
but somehow i find themselves in the position of doing it
you know
each one of us has become to practice on our own
if you belong to some religious practice the family practice the kids go to practice and you know the family does this
religious practice whether they like to or not but still if it's a family kind of it's a inclusive kind of practice this
ha
zen practice which centers around zazen is a practice which
in which you you can only do it if you have an affinity for it
if you don't have an affinity for it it becomes hell
the difference between
i don't know if you ever find him but
it is
as you know
so
this kind of
then hell
those who are practicing for the sake of
of position or are forced into it by family pressures or political pressure in japan you know they might be some political pressure to do this or family pressure
which is not enough or wouldn't be the kind of pressure that we will feel kind of pressure we will feel and be a spouse
i'm a relative or friend who practices and should you should do this this is really good for you you know yet
and they can okay okay now for since i'm the spouse i should do this knowledge to support my husband or my wife or whatever
and
thank you walking into
something that is very painful for you
those who do it
am
come on
possessed by
the influence of a friend or spouse forced to do it from from outside reason anyway so this is a really difficult
ha
sometimes a person will come to a student will come to me and say you know i have a girlfriend or a boyfriend
i'm just getting into this new relationship and
i'm
and it's getting serious
for they don't practice
if a if this analyzed are getting nervous
this person doesn't practice can they don't know what you're doing
i know it i'll just see she is over and over again
where the person say okay let's find created victim to do this practice but then when they see you doing it if it are you doing where you going the fish children had how
seven an aversion to the parents practicing often cause they see mama facing a wall
hence i should've gone somewhere else
are you know the ah and the can resentment against leaving leaving my our presence on fell when some when people get married when they have relationships the expectation is we're going to have a nice happy life together when you
doing and going after this book is to do that so than i should go along into a to but didn't like it is not the defendant is not yet so very difficult
hey difficult
if
if you choose a significant other so it's helpful if the person has some understanding and experience a practice for they understand they're not doing that and what you're doing
and have some
real real understanding that okay
i'll do my practice new your and well
have our practice together
ah but i'm been very careful so ah
not many people come to
thousand instruction and re saturday
very few people become deserves instruction actually stay in practice after that
some people have an affinity and some people don't some people come back later montreal or they do have individually but they can practice now
and a
designs and destruction will awaken an affinity and someone who has an affinity but the mena be ready to practice here are the way
but an affinity is really really has to be awakened
when my scope xenapp hell
and the next one is called hungary's them
like hungry ghost them
but hungry like lusting after enlightenment the hunger to get something
ah this is not bad
but it's often i could
yeah it's like to have that having a strong desire is okay it's good but lusting after enlightenment looking for a prize so they can be powerful or show off
or maybe be ordained
the practices in the realm of desire not and were in the realm of way seeking mind
so there's a difference
to have a strong
motivation to practice is really good but to do it for the right reasons is important
otherwise we get into this
gagne idea of lusting after enlightenment
and ah
there is a time and in good as and from arousing the thought of enlightenment
which is a good thought you know you have the thought of enlightenment the fun of enlightenment is an enlightened thought
the thought of enlightenment comes from or like mind
but we don't usually use their we usually say way seeking mind
the way seeking mind
if ah
the poignant and toward doing something
way cheeky mind mind seeking way
are you seeking way mind seeking mine anyway you want to say it and i'll make sense
an arousing the thought of enlightenment
hum is good but it
ah has a gaining feeling to it
rather than a working everyday working to enjoy it so we don't usually say arouse you in front of my and but that's okay we do no good news is that
but arousing the thought of enlightenment and then seeking away
so arousing the thought of enlightenment of like the mind and way seeking mind is like the body
so ah
but we were we've actually practice we're not seeking something
we just simply settling down in practice
in every day manner
so many people will seek are lusting after enlightenment
well work really hard but they had be
i ignore the real purpose of practice
then a defense to satisfy do this one minigun and dissatisfied with that one the practice of with
going from one teacher to the next
so it's kind of spirit and spiritual materialism which job
show him to find to talk about mister notice perkins spiritual materialism
i'm
are seeking in order to gain some a big spiritual power
send a third one is called
dependent then
i'm like present of a domesticated animal
another finding a nice place to stay they feed you well
i need of mind i don't mind and you get fed and and get petted in illinois
the domesticated animals in looking for a comfortable place to spend their time
they like the practice for all the peripheral regions
and just enough to be able to make to hang out
they liked the food they liked the social aspect
so the specific kind of problem and not simply
and i'm finding a nice place with nice people friendly people sometimes
put
the let the little bit of of in and
you know good company
which is okay and we should have that kind of comfortable feeling
i'm an hour saga kind of feeling and thought some sociability but when that becomes the dominant
way practice than it misses the point
really misses the point
thousand is the central park not in proof by choice exchanges the peripheral parts for the central park and the central patrick peripheral on kind of backwards
hmm then
those the then the much of jam
how much we know practice that so much here but we did to it is to be more ah we become much more mellow
this is them
the competing against authority competing with your with your ah ha peers to gain a tour and see who can gain tutorial fastest
this happens in more in japan and it does here
hum
ah
we compete to gain position that happens compete to gain recognition that happened vying for dominance that happened breaking the queue soco to prove your manhood
stick bam bam
ah i'll talk about that
competing to see whose practice is the most severe most aesthetic most
noi taken off your clothes with in the snow and standing in a waterfall step
who can be the most aesthetic
so this agenda you know why this kind of practice you know if but when it's
it's a win-win
people do this it gains momentum and then there's no end of this kind of momentum
ah
terrorism
a song i can get into this
where
the monks married to carry them he at the wake up stick
jensen her
each period there were two people carried a wake up steak every single period dudgeon near san cisco harm in back in his seventies
and
he was okay you know know some much owners to it but in japan very macho i just have a big sticks me to hit the monks you know the motorola pager and a young guys so the million to beat each other
see who can break the most takes over from the path so this this kind of every kind of private escalates no competition
and as competition like we set the most other you know we stay up the latest it's a shame you know that kind of thing also can escalate
couture
nobody goes to bed for seven days know
for having a reasonable practice which doesn't
ah which doesn't them encourage that kind of much of them is important
so it's interesting how our practice you know because ah
i'm a
eat something we want more believers but because we have men and women and an equal basis
practice it together
it's
generalized our practice
i want a feminized but generalized
practice
and it can middle way
with firmness
and
strength but gentle and on
neither natural nor seven feminist dick
hey good balance which is not macho and not feminist it and wait out where then practice with those to exchange meet a and
you know each one of us have both masculine and feminine side
and
and the practice reflects
how we bound for sides to the to exchange within herself
the as we balances to exchanged within herself is reflected in
how we back together and how you phone to each other in practice for very important part of ah
on practice
there because ah
historically
the mantha monasteries have been divided into men and women
that we in america
brought both sides together since the the new paradigm for
ah then in america has hung out of to five ha ha ha we bounce and integrate the masculine and feminine
the within each one of us and within a practice
as a total crackers
that's what i was working
hmm

so then is a practice of main exam
yo utilitarian then do it for some purpose
do practice because you get something usually will be decently we want to get something we do something for some reason
we do practice for some reason that is not a reason to get something that is the hardest part
for most people
what's in it for me where do i get out of it is
i've been practicing for fifteen years i haven't gotten anything out of this year will have been good but you just don't understand
fortunately i've gotten anything
so this is a zen for utilitarian purposes
hum
i am to get your head straightened out
or for good health
or sexual stamina
hum or to preserve your youth
that does work
to gain something out of them or the art of them less if the concentric part of them then and the art of
so to get something richard what's the payoff when you pay off so when we think in this way were way way off the payoff
so no
everyone has some kind of psychological problem almost everyone
but it can be
dominant or can be not the dominant in our something as maps of to such a problem
if person is a real big problem mission see a therapist who is the kind of psychiatrists
the i'm ah
and yeah let we think about
the then present interview with a teacher focus on practice instruction
this is
ah
sometimes called a can therapy
but is distinguished from psychotherapy
there are various therapies and with associate them with health
but
on the the zen teacher is the zen therapist but not the psycho therapist because the sent the ten teacher is is
helping the student to to maintain though the way
the way seeking mind
not psychological mind although psychology is always involve a living in in every encounter
one way or another but the day and then feature is the therapist who helps this helps guide the student in her practice not in so much in their mental health
so if someone has a real big problem in sheffield the a psycho therapist if ever psycho problem
psychological problem that's that's the bigger than with
the vintage or is
qualified to deal with
as a teacher should know the limitations i remember one time i thought
i should be able to handle everybody
when it comes to the gate i should be able to happen and
i found out that
some people are so clever and
i'm using you
but you only know you be used
and when i found that out and got this is my limitation this is where i stop this is where you should do this instead of doing this me is it isn't somebody else so there are limitations and so i know to keep
ah maintain the right attitude and right kind of practice we should know
where there's a certain psychological
a
how come
the certain psychological problems that can be handled
het because they go along with the practice
the certain psychological problems that i'm just not that the tubing some someone can do the big psychological problem and then takes the energy of the whole founder to deal with and if it doesn't work
so
so we know all these things are is like good health you know in out and stamina and youth a total secondary perch and practice if you practice that will happen but you don't practice
the federal credit for that purpose be practiced with their purpose is not real practice because you're doing it for some reason and you lose
the reason for practice
have you want something
long as you want something from practice you're not track feature try to help you stay on track
ventricle main purpose of digit is the help you stay on track and sometimes the teacher gets seduced off track by the student starts making concessions
an infinity to and eleven he says wandering down for how you keep the practice from
and people don't like it if you don't have a problem with your practice maybe you're not practicing my on maybe not really facing the practice
would you say buddha obstruct practice
good if an obstacle to practice
so i have good an obstacle to practice you have to face buddha and good it will let you know the the obstacle in is if you're finished school
the buddha in here
he really says himself can you'll see this an obstacle to practice because the practice is an antidote to desire

so the art of them aren't exam i'm putting on oliver and yeah some errors about who you are not integrate them master strutting around putting on from face you know
nava
acting like you know they not in am
intimidating people
the art of them
i'm

so the next to aswan is
ah hermit them
sometimes called dilettantes then we are practice do with thompson actually know they were the real meaning you do a dilettante has been is
changed over the years originally it meant someone who is not necessarily a professional but is an it
so
the eighteenth century there were people who are given time but they weren't gelatin in the sense of the way we think of built somebody just dabbling there were people who are very serious about what they were doing what they were not
and
a professional
as the ceremony
but anyway
oh really
in this set in the sense of somebody dabbling
this is joe thompson
something off in intent and no talks about reads a few books and then collect some people and albert coffee expand the dharma
but whatever you know come close to practicing and he plays or maybe practiced once or twice and then let them and problem now i have this magical topic all about it
ah hobbies in ah
then around talking about jan and and drinking tea
and failing known really no need to practice with others
they never find the right teacher
in in their teacher know is no good so that you know she's no good you know
nobody's ever said nobody's ever right now teaches ever been a fan because they know more in the future
ah so they don't not liking to submit to authority that's good when none of us likes to submit to authority and but we have to submit to authority when authority is there
you know i don't like you to a jaw i'm not a joiner that is the originator
i'm i'm not a joint i'm gonna try and i'm like to join in i don't like to go onto this man and like going oh yeah we don't like to do that but when if people who are practicing when we practice
we naturally join with those people because we support them they support us so this is saga as is most important part of practice
because we're not saga reminds us that we're not just doing something for herself
why does it doesn't well i said it for these in that reason but there's also valid reasons
why you have a self than and reason for thirty doesn't it's not real love him
if you sit thousand for yourself it's not real virgin if you fit thousand and four others that much better than it but that's not real doesn't than either
he simply sit thousand for than that
and then i'm taking care of another take there
this is have not only
miss giving a cellphone enough
purpose a practice the tomato or self centeredness
and to see everything to it is without
deceiving ourselves

so
reduce it in order only practice together in order to encourage everyone's practice and putting her own so i encourage your practice you encourage my practice
when i can and said it doesn't have shelves me to get when you're here
today i feel my practice encouraged and i'm feeling that i've makes me want to encourage know practice as well
i'm so in that way we simply take care of the practice clear and by taking the practice care of the practice together
and then ah tis no worry no worry about you or me or sober other
hmm
so in there are three types
on three aspects of practice practicing ah buddha practicing dharma and practicing soda
buddha is like in two thousand and is buddha
it could only after about ten you know
that's not anymore buddha them
anything else is buddha so everything is or
everything's that aspect of buddha
but what specifically we were thinking about as and buddhists
so some people are interested in buddha the teacher is buddha but students also good so student and teacher or crashing together as good at gouda
of practicing together with buddha
for some people are very oriented toward that can practice just simply sitting zazen in enough talking the teacher or whatever it
that's one aspect of practice the other aspect of branches is called study which is dharma
ah to
study researchers study the commentaries study the
ha ha
the history you know who poor on his ancestors who chanted and to the ancestors all the time but he really know anything about these people
you should study
no this then is the desire which is all of us together practicing and and mutually supporting the bracket
hum
some people are simply interested in a buddha
enough for interested in dharma osaka
i i liked it i like to come deserve them but i don't i just thirty and i'm not interested in who put off is here
some people are interested in dharma
they like to study to really get out of studying but not so much interested in in ah
the teacher or this for the
the saga some people are really interested in saga but they don't care so much about the teacher by the after
why the dharma and so that all kinds of combinations we are he'll fit in a certain combination some of us
i like the buddha in a saga but didn't want to study some i can put a ever
diamond but they don't like the saga family and so forth know for a well balanced practice is offering put it down the further
so that's
that's actually the term is sanchi mambo
a japanese term fancy mumbo changed
practicing with the saga
the dharma with
the buddha
so
we practice together and we studied together and i we study the t and we listened to the the dharma from the teachers
and then we have an interview where we talk about that
we're talking about how it affects our lives and how we relate to that how would we lead the damn how are you to practice i need to practice to our life
so we should be careful
to avoid these practices which are not she can her she can have a very difficult practice but it's as simple as practice that's why practice of simple so we don't get confused as you don't have one a colorful things around we don't talk a lot about
so much intellectual stuff but simply to get down to just doing this
just breathing
just sitting up straight
it's like sesame street
i asked the love to have says industry it's pre kindergarten
the most basic kind of practice
most patients
why all mob
when when we come to pakistan have to learn how to be little kids all over again
we have to lend a sit up straight
have you learn how to move in a certain way that it actually mindful and not just driven by idea
hannah lego and ideas and i thought center desires and simply
when and how to take a snap
have you sit down how to stand up
how to say something and really feel what you say
did he do what you're doing

and how did continually let go
this is not difficult part thank you change as much as every part parties and was difficult time
kind of people really go moment by moment
the practice of renunciation which doesn't mean throwing all of you who are worldly goods into the ocean
that's no good because hey the ocean's eight what are you doing
why why are you this stuff and of me my lab now simply letting go
janey like here
it's okay to have something but
yeah we all have to it's almost impossible to not have things in this society is a society of having stuff
the character section of this
our society having stuff
i remember when time
ambiguous
when nixon with
preston with their lives
i'm
and i knew for you
rallies at them university and we stand in the big banners you know while car to go by and pepper the innovation and so it was what we'd have a a i'm amanda hiroshima day i gave a talk of here
and i said our national bird to be the ego but we kill them off that i knew where she almost no eagles where you can we killed off our national bird who stood for this know wonderful nobility
my steps to to the it's by using the turkey
which is a symbol of gluttony greed and oliver a big fat for dinner
that's that's become the check has become a national bird to the book unknowingly
but the eagles are coming back
hi
hi
i'm anyway
am i just are to
i think keep over and over
reiterating what are actual practices what is it the center of our practice
but it's easy to start
mushing then ah
ha
hum
the am
the town of my practice
i need to keep communicate maintain a good like a body tone we need a practice time
i kicked the practice into into in town
sell it on
you know are doing
germany question
ha
he that
the way
the association sutton
i
yes
the relationship it is very one the the vehicle
know well vapor path and each one of those is
how it is one one way
letting go
each one right view but understanding right livelihood right
meditation dollars
qualities or colonies of letting go
note or qualities of connecting anything
he like attempted know gaining in the april path at all
a simple expression
hi express
ah enlightened reality they serve each one of those quality
if you have is
that was our day
the practical vehicle up
and and
yes
that's purpose like of
no
no this ain't no purpose everything has some reason for being
right
as long as it's not selfish
his life does not selfish
i'm self centered
well
the way we let go of suffering is to go right into the middle of suffering
the what people think well we can escape suffering somehow
but it became abusive it is how do how do they call suffering however restriction prefer to escape from suffering is not to run away from it
to ask a favour instinct
faith suffering
what is this
what is this suffering who is suffering what is the cause of something
this is the practice what is the cause
nothing if you know
this is a problem in buddhism
to escape suffering is to gain nirvana
hey this is the old paradigm
the heaney a paradigm the old paradigm is known to escape suffering in the go of all the things that cause suffering so that you have nirvana
i feel my destiny
it's like by gum
if you want to get a sandpit you start climbing but he can't do it because incentive showing them the whole
he can't get rid of suffering by trying to get rid of suffering you have to face the suffering to enter the suffering and say how does this happen what is the cause of this happen for everything had the good as term put it on is everything arises through causes and conditions what is
am
ah arousing and about motor to make make them suffer
we tend to think that suffering comes from the outside this is making me upper that's making me suffer making my circumstances are making me suffer
ah what's making me suffer is my attitude toward my circumstances
this is what we don't be somebody get this and sometimes we all get it but
what's making me suffer is my attitude toward the circumstances how i respond to the circumstances is what makes me suffer or not because they always circumstances you're never going to get rid of circumstances you always causing something to happen
so that was called outside of the raw material and the way we
a deal with the raw material is what makes you feel happy or unhappy are suffering or released or whatever
it's all it's all here not out there is that this is the message for buddha dharma
as you well know

i ha
not happening
so what i understood that
saffron
the office and think about that as why are soft sci-fi
i've got my supper
that potential for suffering and allow air so that why why sitting on
he better what not wanting to suffer is may or may not be selfish
it may or may or may not
hum
ah
we made us want to change our circumstances
rather than change the beta the
an
we may just want to change the circumstances without letting go of the
the real cause
death the net that's more self centered are generated so i'm going to move over here where it's more comfortable
that's not it
cause you just changing your equipment not changing the basis
so ah when you change the basis that means letting go of the desire that you have for maintaining the same level of the in different circumstances
just moving around you could you can have you know if you're lying on the couch
and have punched nice pillows and so elena is very comfortable but then it starts to hurt related to on twenty have to move over the other side of the couch they're just moving from one side of the other
because you uncomfortable it's not the same as getting up and
duncan
i'm really uncomfortable

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how to create alliance next day objection
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as an accurate
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the to say we all have
in it
the album
the minute i saw find it
and talking about
behind
narrow down the
the a or not you mean
the how do we get beyond intention mm female and lords and
you said much janitor one of those things that yeah
it's an extreme and then you are you connected dabbling in the outside and need to note the other side communistic sciences maybe something soft side i just i didn't pay for monistic i said feminine rally in either one of those words i would have gone
the daily cooking you can run after me and beat me with him
our path
huh
that's okay and a of mine
ha ha

a hammer

anyway regardless of what i say things i'm just the way they are
i may be right in iran
the things anyway there