September 27th, 1969, Serial No. 00030

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the
today i would like to ah
study do i want stories of monk
okay chris gate
which is tied to a tipping over a water base
ah
how could your
ah how could your zen masters
we should to send a monk to open a new monastery
he taught his are pupil that we ever for our question most every be appointed
appraising water based on the ground
i he asked
who can say what this is what this is without calling it name calling its name
a chief monk said no one can call it how would you shoot
ah isn't zen master isn't them master the cookie mac are typical over the vase with his foot and went out
how could you smiled and said chief monk do this
and his son became the master of the new modest
an oman
own month comment he says his son was brave enough
but he couldn't escape react with your trick
after all he gave a polite job like job and took a heavy one
why can you see he took off his comfortable hat and place himself in irons facts
this is whole stories
ah
how could you
how could you the master was they outstanding they're mosting tyner
hmm he educated he educated many outstanding same master and ten bodies
ah isn't isn't a master is was run by his disciple
ah isn't isn't the master was also a strange the master
they play the stuff
ah
you know the other day i said the he's hung for the story of ethan thought
he he said he said to one of his monks said that was i will be reborn i would be born the barn as a car
have a cow
ah
eh and def call had some rarer than the his are ah
saying am isn't there must
then when you the moment when you see when you see this car cow these the ot texas the city's on them must not car
ah it is those it's not right answers because it's real cow and then you said oh did his car but it's also not right car i answered because say it has read from readers some readers
under his arm i am the master yu sung them
and put this right answer what would you know what could you what could you call the car
this is his statement to to one of his mom how could you how could you call this car
you say you could say you could say at this is the from them as that not
you could pages card know what should i do
no name
ah
how could you know how could you wish you to send a man to open new monastery
ah
he told his pew pew that whoever answer our question are most ab will be appointed
ah cima human got a job

i do that means
ah
detachment do them his detachment detachment
ah detachment detachment of doing this is this is the meaning of get road to done so in this case are this is a person's name shema do not live
work at the boorish foolish
if layman is so sure damon of what it's called shy
ah
a shimmer was very interesting in at them buddhism and or was contributed to met many than temples in china and don't days
in
then ah he are built he built new than temples in the mound isn't month is then he came he came to see how could you owe them master and asked to find as came to find
day one of one of four
monks on monks for r o b o b the head to this new temple
ah then at the time we have to your ah hex your code the chief mark please come to my home i come to my room
and the if humor and how could you have them master test tested him to see if he he will be he opened the head of the new temple or not
the moment when the shema for him thought the chief monk he did he said or he he was he is not so good he is a right person right person to become the head of ten temples
then next next time the hukou jaw accord help you ask that he isn't then mask isn't a master the cookie mark at that time he was a cookie mark
he caught him to come to his on his room and to see whether he won't be the hit the new ten temples that tandem bike he was the schema ah i was willing to waiting to see
him and because he was a nice person he nice monk and he said he is he's right person to become the new than temp
then you could use them master as a decent a master isn't there man he's a monk
please go to the new them temple and mung to isn't mount isn't
ah and become the head of this temple
then he up
ah he taught he told about this about this about this event and to all marks or the or all monks they are in lecture time
ah that time chief monk was very angry with him because chief monkeys who is the chief condition the first condition important position he other words chief monk is leader leader of all monks in
in their monastery
know why why do you ignore the existence of my out of my position of myself on my existence as a chief month
ah to tell the truth you should ask me to go to the isn't a new than temple and become and become the head this temple why didn't you why didn't you ignore me
then how could your job ha
i tested and your testing how could your happy your them master tested the isn't and chief mom and the list of them
ha to give a question to give a question
ah then he you avenge you put the base water based on the underground what would you call this don't use the word the word base
please call this water base woman to call
ah then nobody answer to these questions then to mom could give monk answer on the t a monk answer to discretion oh that are that the piece of three like this that the it seems to me that it is
if it is that the a piece of tree and in this book
no one can correlate our order issue or do you ah like a piece of tree
ah then and the time isn't them moscow now for good anthony he he was thinking of he kids my
ah because the cheek monk or print clint the to the bay water base the existence of of water base
that's why he has to he had to say something you know in another word a piece of trees or water issues or anything
whatever it is all right
ah
our to express to express to express our this the water based as would issue a piece of tree
is to cling is to cling to the existence of the water base
without with without using the word that any word
what would you call what would you call
day isn't them master isn't isn't i didn't a completely completely clean to the to the existence of water base
though he kicked out can make
ah isn't the cookie mung tip it over the vase with his hood and went out
and help your smile and said the chief monk grew roses
and isn't became the master of the new modesty
and ah
ganga

ah illegal was the also also have ah a the policy to policy this is that this is sir
a cracking cracking the many interesting story of then they come on get to escape
the book of gain to escape ah then those heads and again no explaining about this stories
of course of course the isn't i could if and could they kick kick kick it is some good the kick that water based off with his foot
but if the this water base what a vase was no water baseboard is very small one for you can easy you can use a kick route
but if the this war of based were in not the big mountain
now how how bout
how how did how did you know that isn't kick kick them out kick it up kick and kick it off you know
because in the big monkey is very heavy he couldn't he can he can kick kick off
then they his disciple him decide for the for guy who got thick fog i says who guy says about you you know
ah food is
wow
ah
ah
who is it with it to to to speak to speak about the funny funny thing you know funny thing
who is he who is it to tell to to express to express that funny stories and funny is funny explanation
do you understand you know
now who say no
will say that the though if if the a water based was what a base were in the big mountain how how could how could they even kick in kick off to get off
no three seed that the ah to tell i find some facto funny funny things
i tried to tried to come to see me and i will i will kick in here kick kick him off
kick him off that the vein of thing
ah
that the regions that the erosion if the water base what a waste was what a bit war the big mountain how could the ethan kicking off the it is also a delusion that it as a due and the question is then question
is now creasing is to a crashing exist on the stage of now on here know not not diligence
not futures now past and not right now
then how could you are fed how could you call this without you doing that any word but gender fifth can do the air was it were if it were the big mounting how could you kick me off that the it's also division
because he he explained about he's thinking he was thinking about their futures or his delusions and something what gave what was created by his and so full they said hey c'mon can come to see me come to see me over
have a kick game kick him off
ah
then the ah
oh mom on months common isn't was brave enough but he couldn't he couldn't escape we with your trick after all he gave up like job and took a heavy one why can't you see he took off his calm comfortable couch
the war had and placed himself in iron stomach
in a month it seems to me that the monks the monks the says monk on mom woman said mom said that isn't isn't was not so good nothing could not pleased because the ah he could
he couldn't be he couldn't escape he couldn't escape practice trip
have you tried to the fed to the his on trick to test to test the him if he if he could be he could be the head of the their monastery
because this if he could be he could be the head to the damn monastery the give them monster was very poor the poor financial situation
he have to he had to be a great patient in grip patients
ah is the gift them monster was very poverty
then if he made he made a choice
of becoming they had to this temple
it seems to on my own month on month them master he gave up to like job he gave a right down because if he was he stayed in the heck windows ten temple and keeping the position of by chief
cooking mark it is very easy gov
why why why did he why did you make a choice of becoming becoming the head to the temple because this disc and job path was they heavy one so he took a heavy one oh okay for for monk he said tina
why can't you see he took off his comfortable have and the place to himself in iron stocks he he anyway he took out for comfort for hot and he put on the v heavy iron trucks
it seems the tied up completely something bind
combine
but next the a his he says also giving up cooking cooking utensils defeating the into the the box though his teacher said some barrier for kim his
feet will tip over everything even the but even the buddha in the for the isn't for isn't he he didn't care he didn't care to become to become the head of the then temple want to keep the tradition of the petition and among
cooking mark he didn't care really
he didn't get to kidney kick the water base off
he never he didn't he didn't clean to anything anything
even though the them this them monastery was very poor he didn't care he doesn't care
even though this their modesty was they ditch
he didn't care
does to accept it just to accept his the a certain situation certain situation well brave think so braveness
ah so the woman says his feet
his feet are not only not only kick and kick off not only wore a base you know he kicked off but also are also mountains even a big mountains even damn monospace if the have windows hit
i think
he doesn't care because his spine was completely freedom
ah

one far then
master ah was asked by his er
half
ha
followers
ah just them master
lived along
and are concentrated on studying buddhism and concentrating on on design in nothing they are day
the summer one day i am one of four one of his fellow fellowships and federal were follow was come i came to his temple and ask him
what is ah ha
what is best the best of have cable is to favorites thing that to and that will make you make you happy make you happy
what is best the best things what his favorite from favour live the thing that will make you make you happy
at that time he he think he thought that he thought the to tell the truth he there was there was not there was no room to think to think i a whether i i was a have been happy or not
because the how twice and twice twice a month he had that he had to conduct combat the one day fishing or three day fishing or five days a sheep in in his temple or in another temple
twice twice a month
and then he had to he had to give lectures he had to a tour he had to see he had to see many people's when he come back to his temples
i actually he was very busy with taking care of his task
searching and contact me with the people
and and are giving lectures and writing the making now making a papers
he was paved with if you thought actually at the he he had never he has never thought he had never thought villa i i i i have been a happy or not
there are at that time he was was they are surprised to hear that what is the my favorite favorite things what will make you make you happy
the phone the had a good ideas because their everyday he had that he said the or if i have have one thing because ah
it is
it is my it is now my ah they did he right
our to drank our feed a couple of cup and two or three couple of whiskeys whiskies ah in in his bed he he's been
leading knowledge in managing and reading a man with relax way the a completely relax nobody nobody nobody is the heathrow
he stayed he stayed on a he stayed are wrong and he was delighted he was driving and drinking three two or three cup for a couple of whiskeys a fish
and then he added to to something he added to this he and he added something something more to this story if he said and this is not
this is not this is not
my this is not my life of worth living
the other words i couldn't i i haven't i haven't find myself my life of worth living
ah my life of my life worth living is to take good care of my whole existence on my life
then i think if if you if you find your life worth living
our within the world the of making making you happy and by drinking coffee cup wine whiskey
enjoy it is impossible to drink got to drink a cup of for a couple of come from whisky wine than the all way
you know you have if you if you find if you find your life or worth living
and drinking in drinking why you have to we have to always drink i drink a cup of wine a couple of whiskeys
everyday moment after moment you have to drink and you have to you have to find emotional pressures
voicemail page a moment of moment to tell the truth it impossible
ah
it's literally impossible
ah

hmm
in not day

ah a man it seems to me are that many human being looks like our looks like baby looks like a person person for is interesting in the playing interest me in playing with the with his with their with their own
on toy
the moment when you were born in this world now you find the and unconsciously you find unconscious say you one the mother's mother's milk put the mill
mother's milk is a as themes themes babies babies own baby sounds toys this is this is first toys for for his bed for baby
then kids getting order if you find a he find the in a day many toys
he became he become so when he becomes a sixth or seventh the other day my son came became a nine years old
no ah his a now
i bought a lifting cars and they think guy he was that he was very interesting in a lazy playing racing car
now when you've become when you become a several more eight nine
you are vain to thing in february toys
wow racing car for
by schools
the way you become when you become more twenty or twenty one now so the years old you are vain to sting in and different sex you know i know a woman man and woman
ah
then
ah
i think the other day i said the
ah
you should never you should never work with the buddha you should never work with you know that doesn't
you should you should play with both of you should play was in observing
in on this is that display is not the is not the toy is not to play with toy
ah if you if you put if you if you pray if you work with the with dalvin
with the buddha
ah this loving is like a toy like a toy
when something is not a toy
a buddha is not toy
you have to completely you have to complete to play with buddha pray with zapping ms the buddha is beyond what it is beyond the toys
in or they want did them master the death master had the task to talk or token and to give for lectures
in also got in on
eh
explaining expanding about how nice that and was
then they about the but for about the one one one a half hours he expand about how nice run and was
now after that the the after that he had the chance to talk with each other
gathering together
i'm drinking a cup of tea and one ladies came to he came to see him and said
thank you very much roissy you talk is very nice
i found i found i found most i found how nice doesn't was right now
thank you very much and they said she said she said
ah
if the diving is that there is ah full nice for nice what do you set as you said
how about the combination the combination practice of nimble true and loving
how about combination practice combination practice observing and limited to you know that number to the counting the name or were amitabha
the chanting the practice of but the chanting the i'm thomas name is pretty good also thought she is he thought that he is pretty good in our nem with the is quite good and then if she tried to a comp combines a bot nina
the bar to in number than practice at the same time if you can practice the boss in the at the same time how nine nice they leave for she said how about combination practice known for valving and him woodrow
it is also that he she did she play that she played a toy she play with toy have loving and as nim woodson
maybe it's not real doesn't mean it's not real number three
so that them multiphase don't feel that
ah you have a two month desire you have too much desire
if you do nothing if you do diving all you have to do is just too thudding just to do that and that's enough
even though there are many things even though there are many things that are be nice
even though many things are better than loving
are there in this world
you know don't don't you don't have for too much desires even if you have to do that and you should do that and that's enough
my if you if you play if you play with toy which is called diving would call buddha which is called you know what you called fame which is called wealth which is called money
you have to say you have to say how about combination proudly so buddha thousand and members
because you can get the you can get lots of money and also you can get the way high position in this world
the you can get the very famous of you can you can become you can become famous thing is for
you think how ninth and eighth because at the same time you can get the ball too thin
money fame some wealth
ah a few if you play with toy money wealth
ah diving borders god
ah you can understand you can't understand for you are
ah then
logan said
hugh hewitt
are you should go hunting into the buddhist whole lot of hot
ah
it shouldn't go punch and ponting into the port of call
ah
gold plant to go plunging into the bullet hole
ah it's not something which exist apart from our life from yourself
ah but you maybe you think for perhaps you your thing
if i can if i can have such a power
what compelled me and go plunging into war at home if not if it said to make airport to productive loving
on the contrary i don't have i don't have fifty pounds said the images
to impel me impelled me go panting into the buddhist home that's why i am self now
you know this is our something to since our founding see power doubt
but if you think if you think than a bullet hole about food as home in that way the buddhist home is you play it seems to me that you play with toy with can call for us whole
because good at home is that doesn't exist about myself
the buddhist home is completely i think how with myself
ah
then taught to go plunge into the buddhist home with home is ah
he not to to find to find yourself to settle on you yourself you know there was the every every place every place every mother but when you encounter
when you encounter is the absolute and through feel if bullets whole foods home
but to that to frau of life force blue
this is brought us home for the song
ah then as kindle as a kendo them master said
now if water-based for were what a base were big mounting how could you kick a day off that the diligent then for guy said hey come on come to see me if there is such a funny person for expand for explain a
a water-based war in a big mounting how could you kick it off a division question is not if not is not the question is not the question if what a big were mountain big month
no question is not questioning the existence now
now how could you how could you call this vase one of the without using the world this is one this is question
in our in their modesty yeah i i and when i was in in my temple
ah
i always watch the wash my masters back in both bathroom
when when he took a bath
i said all with shall i was your back shall i wash a back he said no
it said no
next day i said should i was about your was about know
say no
next day as i'm also july shall i wash about know
ah it's funny so i asked him why
this is my kindness please accept my current
there must have felt why did you oh why why that you you say shove i
shall i was should i watched my own your but china is extra work
what if you want if you want watch my back
right now you sure where you my buck without using what
that's why i said no
now if you say shove i if you say should i myth to have found that ah it is myth to fee to fee at to test to test my mind
at to test my mind to see if whether i am willing to watch his back or not
oh the moment when i say that i you when you want to way you want at really where you want really want to get the something
the moment when you think so
you can get food something already before you
the back without using open the door
open the door i was i want to watch your back
but

no question is not future chris is not the path
my them my key to fail with that not
when i say when i say july he he he no he knew already you know he knew all ah
so he said no
did you pay important for both at home now don't play don't play with toy which is called i what is called buddha which called doesn't would score number too much scorn money and pay well what come to rise up
ah we have to go punch into the buddhist home this is very important right now is the answer feel to live in to a better place to live in
ah then there every every place every models every moment when you encounter i should be are absolute field
to let you lead to follow your i force my thoughts blue
when you want to watch masters muslim park issue let your lips the flow of your life was through right now right here
that before using worse have i
if you say should i it means to play with toy know how world and learn
then
ah get on the muslim you found that five and kick it off for had the toy nathan kick off such a toy
what would you call this vase waterways
we tell you the work
bases ah that produce
now what could you call this phase war a weight this question is also and do
it's also toy
then he kicked off
question is right now said to idea conserving any conceptually should be taken away
then on the stadium right now i hear you should met the flow you like fourth
this is our the important point
then the try at the month a month is giving up cooking the utensils
uh defeating the chatterbox though his teacher said the barrier for him he's fit will tip over anything everything even the border if you know if the got
the enlightenment and medallion and from the big monk a new universe
ha
when you are defective point yourself with the with your concession
you are always at the last one to do what shall i do
we try to
the time tried to levin trent valley
that is pretty good
i'm pretty good is fun
three back plan
because something is completely know you
and within the no youth within the word of no used
ah
if you can't do something and if pilot is preserved
if in lucky if you can do within the world of no use it is enlightened my
but die but it's not easy who for the new for us to do so but
regardless of whether you understand or not
the we shall remember the written word of no use if you can do something it is enlightening

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i'm years ago in a book called too many americans and perhaps the most cogent criticism of family planning programs and support from his point of view was provided in the famous november ten sixty seven issue article in science spy professor kingsley davis of this universities dipa
kirkman of sociology professor paul ehrlich of the of stanford is another certified hawk viewing with alarm at what might happen there must be something about the air out here that that it causes causes that
if we are to urge developing countries to consider a population policy for their national welfare i certainly agree that we must engage in this kind of consideration for ourselves what is appropriate for new delhi is also appropriate for scarsdale clearly we need systematic study as an antidote to shrill polack
six so that way i am told i don't know what it is about that this west coast there's some group of nature lovers here that think that one hundred and fifty million die people as the in one hundred and fifty really creeps into this is the right number of of the population for the united states in order to preserve open spaces and i assume they have a plan to deport the extra fifty
millions of canada was something to achieve it but population policy for the united states implies much more than advocacy a far reaching fertility limitation a small population by itself does not guarantee air fit to breathe water fit to drink good schools good housing and national parks that don't look like
the extensions of the long island expressway you can see i'm an easterner all my illusions are back east in his presidential address to the population association of america should the united states start a campaign for fewer births as the coal of princeton a search that a population half or three-quarters the current one and the and
knighted states could ruin the portability of our freshwater supplies and poison our atmosphere by the unrestricted discharge of waste a points out that australia has a population of less than twelve million in an area more than eighty percent that of the united states yet sydney has problems of spa water pollution and traffic jam
ames in fact he says most of the social and economic problems ascribed to are excessive population in the united states or to its success rate of growth are affected more by how our population has chosen to distribute itself and by its size the problems arise from excessive concentrations in the metropolitan area
yeah is not from excessive total numbers the density of population and france's four point five times that of the united states it's to in in the uk it's ten times greater than it is here it's thirty times greater in the netherlands and their pollution and traffic jams and delinquencies are prior probably no worse
it's in these countries than an hour's clearly it is easier to attack problems of the environment when one has to accommodate a smaller population than a larger but we in the united states have the capital and the ingenuity to solve these problems if we give them the priority they demand if
work and component of the quality of life freedom to have children in accordance with our personal wishes we shall have to abridge freedom to ruin the environment and we must be willing to vote the huge sums of money necessary to carry out plans to maintain a livable environment in which future generation
fans of america can enjoy an adequate standards of living

thank you very much die target they are we go now a little closer to our upcoming panel that paul o'rourke has had extensive experience in the supply of public medical services both governmental and other
public institutions and at present he is project director of the neighborhood health center in palo alto his topic is going to be medical and legal barriers to family planning what's in the way of carrying out these national policies that dark dark of he's been talking about
i draw
how'd you like to our street
the assurance of freedom of choice in are complex and pluralistic society is perhaps the central dilemma of our time in theory our democracy seeks to protect individual freedom and behavior which does not clearly intrude upon the public health or well
fair in practice however our laws too often reflect popular prejudice and out worn traditions they dictate a wide range of restraints against behavior which poses no object a threat to the common good this observation is especially applicable to law
laws regulating sexual behavior which today perpetuate attitudes in tune with our puritan beginnings strict law enforcement in this field in particular is simply not possible or even advisable and hence the question arises as to the need to continue to rely
as these statutes drastically in generally evolution of american law affecting sexual behavior reveals a struggle to cast off restraints which as i've said do not have any demonstrable effect on the public health or welfare
but individual freedoms even when they are adequately protected by law can be denied by poverty ignorance and oppression it's perhaps not an exaggeration to allege that the poor and the young in america will be the last again emancipation from the tyranny of uncontrolled
birth the social factors which result in large families amongst the poor are complex but one fact is very clear they are denied access to family planning knowledge and materials at present we all can be tempted into complacency because of reese
and victories in the law which indicates the family planning service is an essential component of public health practice and it's benefits must be made available to everyone this hard won victory and policy is yet to come to reality we still deny in the fundamental right of controller
the birth to the poor and children and we rationalize our failure by pointing to a senseless legal and political restrictions and harsh rhetoric on individual responsibility this rhetoric thinly disguised as a cruel hypocrisy many who insist righteously upon
rigid prescriptions for the behavior of the inexperienced and the poor are critical of behavior and others which they piously condone for themselves and even the business of keeping statistics distorts venereal disease and illegitimately and legitimacy rates among to the poor by underreporting these say
same phenomenon in the private sector another paradoxical obstruction which i wish to talk about today is the innocent but patronizing enthusiasm have some family planning zealots haven't been convinced to the importance of family planning and the inequities of its
it's denial to the poor some such enthusiasts descend upon the poor and preached the gospel without sufficient knowledge of the sensitivity to their attitudes and styles of life the result is predictable they are either considered offensive or accused of promoting genocide
this problem is a real ones which calls for an immediate and candid appraisal of the nature of training professionals in the presentation of family planning programs i'd like to well i hope without embarrassing anybody tell a story of an appearance in a meeting in our community
city of a family planning advocate who was seeking to get a community action council to prescribe for a project and family planning she came to the meeting ill prepared as to what the facts were in the coming
unity in question and proceeded to trip off a extensive and spirited discussion of the white desire to wipe out blacks he's palo alto is a community of thirty thousand eighty percent of which are black it is an extremely well organized community
in that there is a surfeit of competing leadership
the day after the debacle which i read about in the paper i approached a leading figure who had chaired the meeting and who was out on our board of directors and asked him about the community attitudes about family planning
the reason that i questioned him as if we had discussed the matter
in before the board of directors on several occasions and i had never gotten the kind of response that has been reported in the paper he told me and i must say with a very broad smile that that was par for the course that i shouldn't be alarmed by the political rhetoric which had gone on the night before
that they fully intended in their clinic to offer family planning services to all who requested them what the
a person a professional who had come into the community was not aware of is that we had a project already funded for comprehensive healthcare services under the oil policy and i'd like to review for you some of the
some of the facts which perhaps should have been known to this family planning advocate before she went to a meeting in the community the first fact of courses at the services were already there not an unimportant fact the second thing that i would have told her is that one of the great
insights which many of us professionals as we learn by stumbling bumbling more and more about community organization and community development as it relates to health services is the participation by people in a community in any effort to bring services to it is the absolutely
critical
factor around which many failures are taking place because of lack in some instances and by some projects of appreciation of its importance our project i think as done fairly well we have a board of directors that is controlled by residents of the community we have on our board a
eleven blacks and for whites and of of that group ten are non-professional residents of the community
of it has been there policy to have something to say about every blessing to thing that happens in the neighborhood health center planning and service for example their employment policy is dictated by a committee on employment that are interviews every applique
kent for employment before they are hard including all physicians and the director and going all the way down to community aids this kind of power on the part of and may appear to some of you to be a dangerous
kind of policy to pursue but i can report to you that it has worked exceptionally well
this employment committee has also given clear priorities to residents of the area and has stated that they will have first choice in being employed if they can come up with the training and competence required for the job in question and when they have been unable to come up with the competence it
has been there
policy again to recruit black people outside of the community and bring them in there for service they don't have a prejudice against whites and have in several instances employed a white people but they have also asked all white applicants to live in the community if they intend to work in the community center
this kind of policy for employment has made a world of difference in the attitude that east palo alto bears towards its project
have stated that they would not permit either stanford san mateo county health department to come into the community to open a service well out there a control and i think that not to have given control would have resulted in many many unnecessary battles and
would have delayed the onset of services
while the other things about the of contribution of residents is reflected in their attitude towards the building and even though this is a little bit remote from family planning i'd like to tell the story briefly to show you how the setting the physical plant is of
of important for all services including family planning services we were told at first to renovate a shopping center for the purpose of setting up the clinic this policy forced upon ojo by the congress is a regrettable on in that renovation of buildings simply
never turns out a quality clinic setting in fact it's more expensive than building a new we got a architect to state this flatly and then our community board with its committee on the building we have a committee on it anything you want to name one to work
it's exploring how they could build a new building finally they won their battle by gaining permission to go to the group practice facilities title of fha and ojo agreed to make the ten percent payment down for that and they will in fact have a new building the building committee sitting with the architect has done the
following things the building they have said first we do not want large stuffy waiting rooms why not build this of building around a patio so that the good whether we enjoy in east palo alto can be used by patients waiting for service through most of the year but some coffee tables out there and take some
speakers and call us into the building when we're ready the building is built around a patio give us a a child care area because we have to take many children with us when we come to service and we find that they disrupt the doctor why not put a a daycare kitty corral
out into the building and this concept was expanded later by employees of the center who bought it and got a day care center and closed in the building for the children of employees of the sadder they insisted on green belting the building there are patios that surround
in an open into group spaces throughout the building they asked for a health museum although they didn't call out a health museum and within our building we will have a health exhibit area that will have models and audio visual aids of the purpose of taking particularly children in for education on a whole variety of it
issues that relate to health we also have a plan to train community organizers in health recruited from the community and trained on a new careers models so that they will become proficient and he eventually qualified as allied health professionals these family workers i think if we mm
mira some experience we've had with migrant workers and mexican american workers at this description will make a very significant contribution to crossing this barrier between professionals and patients have low income this is a family health organizers
need also i think to be viewed as general ombudsman and we intend to professionalize them and to use them in any case conference that involves families with which they're a particularly well acquainted their recruitment in fact will reflect both geography and demography and we have
recently asked for and received a grant from a foundation in the area to pay sufficient money to attract males into the program this we feel as this is especially important for attracting young males into health services which has in many pm
full view too much of a feminine a connotation
the use of aids particularly amongst teenagers we anticipate will be of great importance
one youngster whom i talked to at the age of nineteen was discussing the status teenage and said you know dr teenage last in east palo alto until you're twenty six years old by this i think he meant that the very high unemployment rate amongst unskilled males in the black ghetto
it keeps them in the teenage male your longer than is average for other
types of community i think that to another thing that we're doing it relates to family planning in a in a very direct way the venereal disease investigator who works for san mateo county a very skillful quite interviewer read
ported to me that he was having increasing difficulty in getting successful interviews amongst blacks in the east palo alto area and made the very sensible recommendation that in our program we train a black venereal disease investigator this then for us became a new career
since we recruited a an adult male of twenty four who did not graduate from high school who has been to the cdc
interviewing school and which was held in los angeles and is a so far working out very nicely in his training i think then that to all of this i bring before you full one important reason it appears to me that family planning clinics
in which groups of patients particularly if they are black or mexican american or indian a bot brought for the soul and specific purpose of receiving advice and attention on this issue are probably not a good thing in talking to our consumers and i forgot to mention
that we do have a consumer committee a committee of uses of our services will meet regularly with the professional staff to feed feedback to them their pledges and years it seems almost universal that to they express a desire for personalized private and individualized care on all for
once when our center is fully operating we will run no clinics at all they'll be no premium natal clinics no venereal disease clinics know chess clinics no tb conex know postnatal clinics etc in substitute for that pattern we intend to use a team of professionals
and i'll give you their identification so that you'd get a feeling for the composition of the team pediatrician internist obgyn specialist supported directly in the same building and in the same part of the building by public health nurse medical and public health social workers
a health education home economy and nutritionist this team of professionals will take specific numbers of families who will then join that professional team and relate to it continuously from that time on and they will have a freedom to choose their team of
intially and to change it if they feel this is is necessary and this team approach to practice we think is particularly pertinent to the problems that we face in this community and we anticipate that by using it that we will overcome even more of the institutional traditions to which black beige
it's have become appropriately disenchanted it's hard for me to translate to you the negative feelings that our community has towards institutions that deliver health services no matter what their sponsorship they seem equally disenchanted with stanford university medical school
clinics where the county hospital clinics and even with some private clinics of high quality and when one discusses with them the nature of their disenchantment it's the same old story it's hard to travel to these places it's hard when you get there to get the feeling that the physician understands everything about you it isn't home
there are no familiar faces when east palo alto clinic eventually opens it looks as if eighty percent of its employees will be black many many of them will either be from the community originally or as i indicated living in it it will be a pleasant place to come to it has been humanized by the pro
anticipation of patients in the planning process in every way and i think that the personalized care which we anticipate we will be able to give will offer family planning services not as a special isolated concerned but as a natural concern
for anyone who is seeing his team of physicians i think you can also perhaps get the feeling for the emphasis which we will place on health education and to me health education which most public health professionals have either a very hire a very low opinion of one out themselves health educators is to me
professionals have all sorts should look to in a little more sophistication i've come to believe that the phenomenon of patient participation is critical to success in education in the health the area of any kind and we hope that in our building which is generously supplied with group spaces
there are professionals at all levels will undertake activities with groups of patients that share common diseases are common concerns and attempt to get them through participation to learn as much as possible about family planning venereal disease heart disease etc
the marriage also of preventive medicine as a clinical specialty with conditions is long overdue i think in the way we organize care and has i think great implications for success in the particular field of interest of this conference it seems to me then that a community organiser
nation and the application of principles of community organization are almost a critical in succeeding with a family planning i think that we're dealing with an intensely sensitive area considering the political tensions that surround
blackness and black isolation and these days but i feel that the genocide issue which has been discussed in which perhaps is an import from africa can best be handled by making sure that to black patients mexican american patients indian patients
get the feeling that they have something to say about the policy making in any project that address itself to this particular field and indeed in the manner in which such services are given we've ignored the consumer and medicine all too long and whether he be poor or middle class
and i think if there is a new era ahead of us in medical care it is the era of the consumer for are even though consumer participation is strange to professionals i think that the that the manner of delivering services can be very very much improved by continuous and
serious participation by consumers in the last analysis i think that the attainment of control over unwanted pregnancy must be fought for in the public domain in the classroom the legislature in the public media and perhaps at times even in courts of law at issue is
is the public attitude which today remains as you all know surprisingly punitive towards sex education in the public schools education which needs to encompass information about contraception venereal disease and abortion there is no scientific evidence that knowledge about such top
picks constitutes invitation to children to experiment and yet this premise seems to lie at the heart of all opposition to instruction of children on these topics how naive or those parents who assume that children denied accurate scientific knowledge of being somehow protected in fat
oct they rather are at the mercy of inept and inaccurate distortions called from various places and
information which sure comes from people ill equipped to give any accurate information on these topics and has always puzzled me that the topic of sexuality is so heavily excluded from the basic knowledge that we impart to our children
the health and teaching profession's bear an obligation to face with courage the task of fighting in all these places for equal access by all to contraceptive information and service long since the medical profession has stopped minding the morals of victims of
venereal disease is a matter of fact essential not to mind them if you wish to control venereal disease and i submit for you to think about the possibility that it may not be to illogical to take the same stance in regard to unwanted pregnancy which truly can be looked upon as a disease
which is preventable and easily cured
thank you very much doctor or doctor or iraq has given a beautiful concrete example answer to some of the questions that arose this morning
regarding the rendering of comprehensive health services in such an environment and this is a is a fascinating example of it we'll go then for our coffee break and may i ask you to be back promptly at three thirty so that the panel can have full opportunity to explore

and parenthood she'll introduce to you the members of her panel mrs greg

thank you very much a doctor lv street and our panel is delighted that so many have you decided to stick with us to the end i says our panel for this afternoon little deal with patients and laws and we're going to try to give you an
overview ah one of the national legal situation as it affects family planning and the delivery of services to people and perhaps out of our discussion may point the wait for new kinds of legislation and that may be needed we have a very distinct
wish to panel this afternoon and we met and i decided in a very democratic way how we will proceed we will have the presentations by each of the panel members and then there will be an interchange between them and then
there hopefully will be time for questions from you at the audience
i shall introduced ah all of the panel members in the order of their presentation first mrs harriet kill power mrs piltdown is a senior partner in the law firm of greenbaum worth in earns she received her always forget to put on
my glasses she received her ba from vassar college her master's degree from columbia university and her bachelor of law degrees from the columbia law school mrs popa was a member of the committee on political and civil rights and president kennedy's commission on the status of women and served on the special task
the force on the same subject of the president or president chance and citizens advisory committee she is the editor and ah an audit articles editor of the columbia law review mrs peel is also the attorney for planned parenthood world population the association for voluntary sterilise
asian the association for the study of abortion and abortion reform association therefore mrs pill pill is a very well qualified to give us a national overview following mrs peel pell we will hear from the honorable will
lee brown who kindly agreed to substitute for the honorable merv diurnally who was unable to be with us a simon assemblyman brown represents the eighteenth assembly district and the california state legislature for san francisco his a graduate of hastings law school at the university of california
yeah he taught there before going into the private practice of law for those of you who observed the recent democratic convention will recognize him as an outstanding and dynamic member of the california delegation and served as a member
the credentials committee which was instrumental in seating the mississippi and juliet jillian bonds georgia delegations he is indeed an activist and a member of nova numerous civil rights organizations following
assemblyman brown we will hear from
mr socrates mommy goes
mr mom ghosts is a practicing attorney in san francisco and a lecturer in law at san francisco law school he received his ba and new york university an ma at both michigan and oxford universities and his law degree at the university of california at berkeley
effort panel member mrs miss constance cox out who is a community action field representative who has been designated as family planning representative in the san francisco regional office of the economic opportunity she has her master's degree
political science and her masters in public health education from the university of california at berkeley and our last panel member mr gordon coming he is currently the president at the california hospital association he is an administrator of the sacramento county high
member of the hospital research study section the national institutes of health the national advisory council on regional medical programs and the committee on hospital planning of the american hospital association he received the california hospital association award and married in nineteen fifties
five mr common received his master's in public administration from the university of california are present to you have panel

permit me to add one other qualification i introduce myself as a dove in the field of population control as referred to by dr hard to it seems to me that it is somewhat far fetched and the united states today
hear voices crying poor compulsory bread limitation when we have not given voluntary bread limitation a chance and the history of the control of reproduction by law in this country is a history of discrimination against minority and low income groups there appears to be in my
mind at least no question but that the laws relating to birth control to abortion and sterilization as they have been passed and interpreted in the united states have always had a direct impact on the poor and the minority groups and where they didn't like them practically no impact on the middle and
upper income groups that may not have been a ten intended this way but that's the way they worked out in one of odd jobs is to see that they don't work out that way anymore were we to go in for compulsory family limitation i have no reason to think the result would not be the same when mrs hamilton called me about this conference and said
that the title of our panel was patience and the laws i thought she meant ph d i e and c and i thought that was a very good title for a panel in which we were discussing the law was only one i got the program that i found out that it was i e n t s but i think i shall we too
talking probably more about i e and c which is not to say that the law or at least public opinion which eventually makes the law has not moved when i was first on the committee on political and civil rights of president kennedy's commission on the status of women i had the temerity to suggest this was about six years ago
the one of the subjects in which we should entrust ourselves was family planning and birth control there was a discernible chill apparent on the part of the government representatives at the committee meeting and afterwards one of them for whom i had considerable regard came up and said for god's sakes don't push that so i said i don't know
why not if we're talking about the status of women there is nothing more important than their ability to control their reproductive lives therefore the availability of birth control is seems to me is item number one on our agenda while she said you'll split the whole committee wider we won't get anything done and self worth and so on and nothing
was in fact included on the subject of that committee however six years later when they similar committee under president johnson's commission met not only did we passed wrong resolutions in favor of making voluntary birth control available to all but we came out with a very strong report
urgent that the abortion laws throughout the united states be modified to permit an abortion to be at a procedure to be decided upon by the woman and her physician and nobody raised the question that that was not appropriate if we gotta look at some sort of national overview of the laws in this three fail in these three
feels abortion sterilization and birth control perhaps i ought to remind you of a few things which i certainly had tended to forget about our legal structure and i was in high school i learned about the system of checks and balances which it appeared montesquieu year whoever he was in france had something to do with
and pretend to the balance between the legislative the executive and judicial i mentioned that because the history of birth control advance in this country has been by and large executive like the excellent talks we've heard from the ojo which by the executive branch and judicial
such as the decision of the united states supreme court invalidating and connecticut law prohibiting the use of contraceptives the legislative pattern has by and large been disgraceful
the other distinction that i would like to call to attention is the difference between federal and state law which you all know but in this field that distinction is important in so far as the operation of actual centers and clinics in various states are concerned and we take a quick look at the legislation
effective birth control in the united states we find that it has gone from an absolute prohibition through an intermediate stage of sort of laissez faire to the present stage which is not enough but which is in the direction of making available bread control to those who want to use it
toward this dangerous signal of thou must use it since the figures we heard here indicated that about seven hundred and fifty thousand women and low income groups are now being serviced by the planned parenthood and government clinics leaving something like four and a half million unserer
august i repeat i see no reason to even talk about whether we should have compelled birth control and when dr hawk of he says quote water appropriate for new delhi is also appropriate for scarsdale i disagree heartily i don't