September 1975 talk, Serial No. 00076

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Dainichi's disciple is Kaku-an, Kaku-an had many disciples. Kaku-an had many disciples. Kaku-an had many disciples.

[01:10]

Kaku-an Kaku-an Kaku-an Gikai, Gien, [...] Gikai, Gikai, Gien, Gien, Gijun, Gijun, Gizan, Gizan, and G1.

[02:22]

G1 So, this is Dainichi Bodhidharma school. Dainichi Norin had Kaku-an, the disciple Kaku-an had 1, 2, 3, 4. Ekan, Ejo, Esho, Egi. Ekan has Gikai, Gien, Gien, Gijo, Gijun, Gizan, G1. Ejo was the 2nd Abbot of Ehechi Monastery. 2nd Abbot of Ehechi Monastery. Gikai was the 3rd Abbot of Ehechi Monastery.

[03:24]

Gien was the 4th Abbot of Ehechi Monastery. Huh? 3rd Gikai. Gien was the 4th Abbot of Ehechi Monastery. Gien is the founder of Daijiji Temple in Kyushu. Okay. So, Ejo, Dogen's disciple, came from Dainichi Bodhidharma school. Bodhidharma school. Senrei was one of students who studied Tendai.

[04:36]

So, in this case, Senrei came from Nihon at the Tendai school in Japan. And Gyakuen was Chinese monk. So, a group of Dogen's disciple is represented by three categories. Ejo, at the 1st, is from Bodhidharma school in Japan. 2nd is from Tendai school in Japan. 3rd is from Thailand. Chinese Zen Buddhism. And later, I think Gyakuen's disciple is Gi-un.

[05:51]

Gi-un. This is different person, okay? Okay. Gi-un, Gyakuen's disciple, became the 5th Patriarch of Ehechi Monastery. Okay. So, from this point, the group of Ejo... The Ejo from the group of Dogen's disciple from Bodhidharma school was taking the leadership of Ehechi Monastery, mainly. Then, another group, Senrei, from Tendai in Japan, and another group, Gyakuen, from Chinese Zen Buddhism, left Ehechi Monastery.

[07:10]

Senrei left Ehechi Monastery for Kyoto to build his own temple and studied very quietly Dogen's teaching. And Gyakuen, in several years after Dogen Zenji's death, Gyakuen left Ehechi Monastery for the out-of-the-way country and built a temple, Ho-kyo-ji. Ho-kyo-ji. It is still existing in Japan. Ho-kyo-ji. Ho-kyo-ji temple. Gyakuen, the founder of Gyakuen. The founder is Gyakuen.

[08:13]

Okay. What was the name of the temple? Senrei's temple is Yo-ko-ji. Yo-ko-ji. Kyoto. Yo-ko-ji. Yo-ko-ji. Yo-ko-ji. Ejo was born in Kyoto in the 11th... Yo-ko-ji in Kyoto? Uh-huh. Suburb. No, not in Kyoto, in Fukui. Pre-Cross Two-Edge Monastery. In Fukui City? No, no. Fukui Prefecture? Fukui Prefecture. Suburb, in the countryside. Out-of-the-way country. The Ono. And the present name of the village is called Ono.

[09:22]

O... Ono. Ono. It's very close to Edo Monastery. You can visit. People know where it is. Oh, yes. Ho-kyo-ji Temple is now a second monastery. Where particular monks... particular monks practice there. Because the Edo Monastery is very busy, you know. So... You can actually practice there? Yeah. So, if there are monks who want to practice more, A.H. sent them to this Ho-kyo-ji Monastery. It's really the out-of-the-way country. And also Ho-kyo-ji and Kipo-ji.

[10:28]

Kipo-ji. Kipo-ji was... Kipo-ji is the first place where Dogen Zenji stopped before he went to A.H. Monastery. So he stayed here. So this Kipo-ji also is located in the way of countryside. And way from Kyoto to A.H. is like this? Yes. That Kipo-ji. You can visit Kipo-ji and Ho-kyo-ji if you go to Japan. It's very famous now. Very nice place. The people... Japanese people don't want to go... don't want to visit Kipo-ji and Ho-kyo-ji because pretty far away. Very quiet.

[11:30]

Very quiet. Ejo was born in Kyoto in 1198 from the Kujo noble family. He was ordained under the teacher Enno at Hiei Mountain. Hiei Mountain. Enno. And studied the teachings of Kusha, Jojutsu, Sanron, Hoso, and Tendai schools. Kusha is... Kusha is... Paramakosha, yes. Jojutsu is...

[12:34]

How can I say? Jojutsu is Jojutsu. Sanron, Jojutsu, and Sanron, that is a very original Buddhist school and the very original Buddhist school in Japan. So, Kusha... Kusha... Kusha... Jojutsu... Kusha, Jojutsu, Sanron, and Sanron, Hoso. Hoso. Kusha, Jojutsu, Sanron, Hoso.

[13:34]

Hoso is in Sanskrit, isn't it? No, no, no. Yogachara. Sanron is my journey. Yes. Jojutsu is my... Jojutsu, I think, is a part of the... Tendai... Tendai... One more is Kegon. Kegon is out of Sanskrit. Kegon. That's all. Now Zen. Zen. Obaku. Obaku, Rinzai, and Soro. Rinzai...

[14:42]

Huh? What? Rinzai? Oh, Ritsu. Ah, I'm sorry, Ritsu. Ritsu. Zen was flourished in Kamakura period, particularly. So this is a very original school in Japan brought from China in Nara period. Huh? Yeah, he studied. Uh... And H.O. left, A.H. Monastery, and no, Hiei Mountain. Hiei Mountain was the place, the unique place, where all monks, all Buddhist monks, studied the Buddhism in general, including all of this.

[15:44]

So he left Hiei Mountain and studied the teaching of Jodo school, Jodo, founded by Honen Shonin. Honen. Honen was the teacher of Shindan Shonin. Shindan is the founder of Shin school. Jodo, and he left Hiei Mountain and studied the teaching of Jodo and Shoku, who was one of Dogen Zenji's elder brothers. Shoku. Shoku. After that, H.O. studied and practiced Zen Buddhism based on the teaching of Bodhidharma school in Japan under the guidance of Kakuan.

[16:57]

Kuan. Kuan. He visited to see Dogen Zenji in 1228, the next year after he, when he came back from China. Huh? Oh, pre-usual in Japan. Pre-usual. First, anyway, if you want to become monk, Buddhist priest, you have to go to the Hiei Mountain first, because it was the unique place where all priest, Buddhist priest, studied and practiced Buddhism in general. Then after that, you can visit any place, concentrate on particular school, and so forth.

[18:07]

Yes. Then H.O. visited to see Dogen Zenji in 1228. At that time, Dogen Zenji stayed at the Kenninji, Kenninji Temple built by Eisai, and became Dogen Zenji's disciple in August 15, 1234. At that time, Dogen was 34 years old, and H.O. was 36 years old.

[19:08]

So H.O. was two years older than Dogen. Question. What does it mean that he became a disciple? Did he already been ordained as a priest, and not here? Uh, yes. Did he have another ceremony to become a disciple, to become Dogen's disciple, another ceremony? I think so. Was there a transmission ceremony? No, no, no. Transmission, and, well, the ordains, and, well, you will realize something new, okay? In my seminar, okay? You didn't know, you have never known. Okay. We have three teachers, okay? This is out of main subject, okay?

[20:17]

The three teachers are Jūgōshi, Jūgōshi, okay? Jūgōshi. Second is Hōdōshi, Hōdōshi. Third, Honshi, Honshi. Jūgōshi, she is a teacher, okay? She is teacher. Three teachers. Jūgōshi is the teacher under whom you are ordained, okay? Ordained. Tokudo, yes. And Hōdōshi is the teacher under whom you became Shusō, okay?

[21:19]

First step, Shusō, Hōdōshi. Honshi is the teacher under whom you have dharma transmission, okay? Honshi. So some Zen master has different teacher, okay? He became, he became, for instance, a monk, you became, you are ordained under Karagiri, and you can have the Shusō ceremony under another teacher, okay? And then you can have, you can have also the dharma transmission from another teacher, okay? But it's not necessary to change, okay?

[22:23]

It's not necessary, but if you want, it's not impossible. It's not impossible. So if you study history, one of Zen monks has two teachers, different teachers, Jūgōshi and Honshi. Pretty soon, I think, the victor, who studied Zen for seven and eight years in Japan, he became ordained, he was ordained under the Tatsugamigō. And then last year, last year, year after last year, Honshi was ordained under Yokoi-dōshi, so he changed. He changed to Jūgōshi. Well, there are lots of reasons.

[23:26]

Is this a pattern of the three teachers? From the southern end of China, or was it originated in Japan? Well, this, maybe, I don't know exactly. Maybe it comes from the China. You have to study the Japanese more. So Roshi, when you said that Eisho became Dōgen's disciple, was that he took some ceremony for Jūgōshi? I think so. Again. For each of these things, you can have more than one teacher. For each separate thing, as long as... If you can have more than one teacher to do Jūgōshi, do you take direct transmission from more than one teacher? Well, this is completely... yeah, they're different teachers. But can you have several Hōdōshi and several Honshi?

[24:31]

Several Honshi? Okay, this is very important, okay? Honshi is... you must... Honshi must be one. Must be one. If you have Dharma transmission, you never change, okay? You shouldn't change Dharma transmission teacher, okay? If you have Dharma transmission in your whole life, he's your teacher. Roshi, aren't there some monks that have received Dharma transmission from more than one teacher? Oh, must. Must be. In my case, I have one. I have one teacher. What did Dōgen get from Eishai? Huh? Dōgen received what from Eishai? Dharma transmission? Did he? I don't know. No, no, no. What did he receive? He received Dharma transmission from the Jūchin.

[25:36]

That's all. Nothing from Eishai? No, nothing. He just practiced under Eishai. And Myōzen, who was a disciple of Eishai. Nothing. And Dōgen was ordained under the priest who was the Abbot of Hiei Mountain. So... Roshi, more importantly, what's the idea of having a teacher and then a student of someone else like it? Like a teacher of the Buddha. There's something called Zuishin, I think. Huh? Zuishin. Oh, Zuishin. Yes, that is another system, okay? Zuishin. Zuishin... For instance, if you have a Dharma transmission, okay?

[26:39]

Under, from, okay? Karagiri or Vekaroshi or Sukiroshi and so forth, okay? You are still free, okay? You are still free from practicing under any kind, any teacher. So if you want to practice, if you want to practice under... ... At that time, it's called Zuishin. Zuishin. Zuishin is five. Shin is five. Zuishin. Yes, with someone else. It's not, it has nothing to do with the Dharma transmission or Jukoshi and Hodoshi and so forth. Completely free, okay? You can practice. Now, Zuishin is a very important system of practice in Soto school. Very important.

[27:41]

Roshi, is Zuishin referred to, is that a name given to the student or to the relationship between that student and the teacher, or the name given to the teacher? No, between the teacher and the student. Does Zuishin describe the relationship? Particularly, this Zuishin, the term Zuishin is... The Zuishin put an emphasis on the disciple's side, student's side, Zuishin. So if you become a disciple, and practice under your teacher, for long, it is also called Zuishin. Zuishin is to learn something from teacher, in your daily life, throwing away your own style, and jumping into the teacher's style. Learn something. That is called Zuishin.

[28:47]

So Zuishin system is completely open to everybody. There was a famous Zen teacher. His teacher is Nishihari Bokuzan. But after his death, of course, before Nishihari Bokuzan died, Kishizawa Roshi had done a transmission from his teacher. After Nishihari Bokuzan's death, he went to practice under the guidance of Oka Sotan, Sotan Oka, as a Zuishin. As a Zuishin. So Oka Sotan, in this case, is not the Honshi. Not the Honshi.

[29:49]

His Honshi is Oka-san, Nishihari Bokuzan. But you can practice under Oka Sotan. Hashimoto Roshi also practiced under the guidance of Oka Sotan. There were several famous Zen masters in our day, but they all died a few years ago. So Kishizawa, Nishizawa, and Hashimoto, Hashimoto, and Sawaki. This is all of first name. I use the first name. No, the family. Kishizawa and Sawaki.

[30:55]

They were all practicing under the same Zen master named Oka Sotan. Was Oka Sotan the Honshi? No. Oka Sotan was not Honshi for them. Zuishin. As a Zuishin. They practiced under the Oka Sotan as a Zuishin. But in Rinzai, if you practice... Okay, Rinzai is a little different. This is very important. If you practice, if you ordain... And... If you have... When you have a downward transmission in the Rinzai, for instance, if you practice Sawaki Roshi,

[31:57]

and then under the guidance of Sawaki Roshi, if you attain enlightenment, Sawaki Roshi is your Honshi. Your Honshi. But in Soto school, even though you attain enlightenment under the guidance of Sawaki Roshi, Sawaki Roshi is not your Honshi. Your Honshi is a teacher under whom you have a downward transmission from him. You understand? So, let's see the Taisan. I don't know what Taisan's teacher is, but anyway, Taisan's teacher is Nakagawa Roshi. Soen Nakagawa.

[32:58]

But actually, I don't think he was, the Nakagawa Soen Roshi was his teacher several years ago. So, very different. So, if you attain enlightenment, the teacher under whom you attain enlightenment is your teacher. Your teacher in Rinzai. But in Soto, the teacher under whom you practice for long and completely become one with teacher's style. At that time, teacher admits you to be qualified to have downward transmission from him. At that time, it's called Honshi. Then after that, you can practice under any teacher.

[34:01]

Sawaki Roshi and Hashimoto Roshi or Kishi Zaroshi. And then under them, under the guidance of them, you attain enlightenment. It's not. They are not your teacher. Honshi is your teacher. Let me finish the, just a little bit more left. During the years 1235 to 1237, Ezo compiled Shobo Genzo the Monkey. While he practiced under the Doken Zenji.

[35:07]

1235 to 1237, yes. So, Ezo practiced under the guidance of Doken Zenji for about over 20 years until Doken's death, 1253. He, Ezo, became the second abbot of A. H. Monastery in July 14th, 1253. Doken went to Kyoto to see the doctor because at that time Doken was very sick. So Doken went to Kyoto to see the doctor on August 5th, 1253. And then Doken Zenji died on September 28th, 1253. In Ezo turned over the position of the abbot to his disciple Jikai in 1267.

[36:38]

Ezo died on August 24th, 1280. After the age of 83. Yes, he used to be. Jikai used to be the disciple of Ezo. He left to study with Ezo? Yes. So most of the monks belonging to the Dhamma school they converted Doken's teaching. So this group, that's why this group took the leadership of A. H. Monastery. Yeah, that's why it is the cause of trouble. A. H. Monastery.

[37:40]

I will explain later. Very interesting trouble. Any other questions? Thank you. Could you say one or two words about what was the Bodhidharma school? Huh? The Bodhidharma school. Uh-huh. What was their teaching? Bodhidharma schools, they emphasized the audio, audio lines. Audio lines of Rinzai school. Okay. Please see the chart of, the chart from, you know, the Zendast, you will find.

[38:51]

Audio ena. Yes, Rinzai line. Rinzai school audio, audio factions and yogi factions, factions. The Rinzai school in Japan now belongs to audio ena, the yogi, yogi lines of Rinzai. And Eisai also, they brought Zen Buddhism belonging to audio line of Rinzai. Okay. Thank you.

[40:30]

Thank you. Thank you. Yesterday, I mentioned just a little bit which was out of main subject. Uh... Juugoushi.

[41:52]

Juugoushi. Houdoushi. Uh... And one more thing is Onshi. Onshi is the teacher under whom you practice. For instance, in my case, Juugoushi is the teacher who ordained me. So this is my teacher, Juugoushi Daijo. This is my case, okay? Daijo. Houdoushi is, well, when I had the ceremony of shuso. Zen you. Zen you.

[42:57]

Onshi, in my case, is Daijo. Because from Daijo, I had the Dharma transmission. So my Juugoushi and Onshi are same. So you, first at Daijo's temple, you went to Tokugawa. Yes. And you went to Eiheiji. Uh-huh. And you went back to Daijo's temple. Yes. Also, Onshi is, in my case, Hashimoto Roshi. Hashimoto Eko. Eko Roshi. Hashimoto Eko Roshi. And Yokoi Roshi. Yokoi. Kakuzo Roshi. Roshi. Roshi. Is Onshi the name of the teacher for when the student's case, disciple's case, you say Zuishin?

[44:03]

Zuishin, yes. In this case, Zuishin. It's called Zuishin. Zu-i-shin. Which Daijo's temple? Yamada. No, no, Hayashi. Hayashi. So if you practice, if I practice under the guidance of Daijo, for long, without practice, without practicing under the guidance of any other teacher, at that time, the Daijo Hayashi was Honshi, my Honshi, and Onshi. Onshi. Because I had Zuishin.

[45:06]

Zuishin. So very important teacher, all of them very important. All of them very important, but Honshi is very important. Honshi and Onshi. Honshi and Onshi. Okay, that's all right. Two days. Okay. Yesterday, we, I described the short history of Edo Zen Master,

[46:20]

the second abbot of Edo Monastery. He edited Shobo Genzo Zuimon-ki and Shobo Genzo 75 volumes. Okay. And Hokyo-ki, Hokyo-ki, Shobo Genzo, Genzo 75, and Hokyo-ki, Hokyo-ki. And his work was, his work is only one. It's called Komyozo Zanmai.

[47:22]

Komyozo Zanmai. Did you say that's your root? Yes. Just only one book. Okay. Okay. I mentioned yesterday, all disciples, most of disciples, Dogen's disciples came from Bodhidharma school and took the leadership of Ehe Monastery. But among them, some completely converted to the Dogen Zenji's teaching, but some didn't. So, there was perpetual friction between the disciples.

[48:42]

Okay. Among the disciples. But this friction didn't come up to the surface while Dogen Zenji was alive because it had been oppressed by his spiritual influence. After Dogen Zenji's death, this problem, trouble, appeared to the surface and became completely beyond control of even the second Abbot of Ehe Monastery, Ejo. Kong Ejo. This trouble is called usually the conflict between the third and the fourth generations in Ehe Monastery.

[49:43]

But I will explain later. Before explaining this, the cause of conflict between the third and the fourth generations in Ehe Monastery, I would like to explain about the Gikai, the third Abbot of Ehe Monastery and fourth Abbot, Ehe Monastery Zen. Gikai Gikai

[50:56]

He was born in 1219 in Fukui Prefecture, pre-cross to Fukui City. At his thirteen years old, he became a monk under Eikun. Do you remember Eikun? Eikun was not the sort of Zen monks. Eikun was the Zen monks belonging to the Bodhidharma school in Japan. So, the Gikai became a monk under Eikun. At 22 years old, he went to study Tendai teaching, Tendai Buddhism, Tendai Buddhism, Tendai school anyway, Tendai teaching at Hiei Mountain, Hiei Mountain.

[52:15]

And at 23 years old, Gikai and his teacher, Both, entered Dogen Zenji's monastery and practiced under the guidance of Dogen Zenji. So, Both became a monk under Dogen Zenji. Did they maintain their rank, or both were monks? Both were monks. In July 1243, Dogen Zenji left Kyoto for Fukui Prefecture to enter to A.H. anyway.

[53:22]

But before he went to A.H. monastery, he stopped at Kippoji Temple, staying just for a while. Gikai really helped Dogen Zenji and his temple affairs, appointed Tenzo and Kansu. So, when Dogen Zenji was, had been at the Kippoji Temple, the Gikai had been Tenzo and Kansu.

[54:26]

Kansu means president, director, director of the A.H. monastery. Kansu, no, Tutsu, Kansu, no, excuse me, vice, assistant director. Two years later, after Dogen Zenji's death, so 1255, he had the Dharma transmission from Ejo, Ejo Zenji. Ejo Zenji was the second patriarch, second abbot of A.H. monastery. So, after Dogen Zenji's death, Gikai practiced under the guidance of Ejo and had the Dharma transmission from him. He went to Kyoto and Kamakura to see the architecture of Tenrinji,

[55:40]

Tenrinji and Tofukuji, Tofukuji and Jufukuji, Jufukuji, Kenchoji, Kenchoji, anyway, and any other Zen temples at that time. He, anyway, went to see Kyoto and Kamakura to research, to study the architecture of Zen temples at that time. And in 1259, he visited China to study the architecture of various Zen temples in China.

[56:47]

And in 1262, Gikai came back to Japan. He brought lots of materials of architecture of Zen temples and any other Zen materials. So, according to a lot of materials he brought back to Japan from China, he built the buildings of A.H.E., most of the buildings of A.H.E., and set up the monastic rules and ceremonies in order. The copy of the architecture of Chinese Zen temples in San Dynasty.

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