September 1975 talk, Serial No. 00075

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So, Dai Nichi, Dai Nichi, Dai Nichi, Dai Nichi's disciple is Kaku-an, Kaku-an, Kaku-an had many disciples. Oh yes, Kaku-an.

[01:25]

Kaku-an, not Kakan, Kaku-an. Kaku-an, and then Eikan has also Gikai, Gikai G1, [...] G1, G1. Gikai, Gikai, Gien, Gien, Gijun, Gijun, Gizan, Gizan, and G1, G1. So, this is Dai Nichi, Bodhidharma schools.

[02:41]

Dai Nichi Norin had Kaku-an, as a disciple, Kaku-an had 1, 2, 3, 4. Eikan, Ejo, Esho, Egi. Eikan has Gikai, Gien, Gijun, Gizan, G1. Ejo was the second abbot of Eh Monastery. Second abbot of Eh Monastery, Gikai was the third abbot of Eh Monastery. Gien was the fourth abbot of Eh Monastery. Third, Gikai, Gien was the fourth abbot of Eh Monastery.

[03:47]

Gien is the founder of Dai Nichi temple in Kyushu. OK. So, Ejo, Dogen's disciple, came from Bodhidharma school. OK, Bodhidharma school. Senrei was one of the students who studied Tendai. So, in this case, Senrei came from Nihon at the Tendai school in Japan.

[04:49]

And Jaku-an was Chinese monk. So, a group of Dogen's disciple is represented by three categories. Ejo, the one is from Bodhidharma school in Japan. Second is from Tendai school in Japan. The third is from China, Chinese Zen Buddhism. And later, I think Jaku-an's disciple is Gi-un.

[05:55]

Gi-un, this is different person, OK? Gi-un, Jaku-an's disciple, became the fifth patriarch of Eh Monastery. OK. So, from this point, the group of Ejo, the Ejo from the group of Dogen's disciple from Bodhidharma school was taking the leadership of Eh Monastery, mainly. Then, another group, Senrei, from Tendai in Japan,

[07:02]

and another group, Jaku-an, from Chinese Zen Buddhism, left Eh Monastery. Senrei left Eh Monastery for Kyoto to build his own temple and studied very quietly Dogen's teaching. And Jaku-an, in several years after Dogen Zenji's death, Jaku-an left Eh Monastery for the out-of-the-way country and would build the temple Ho-kyo-ji. Ho-kyo-ji. It is still existing in Japan. Ho-kyo-ji. Ho-kyo-ji temple. Jaku-an, the founder of Jaku-an.

[08:14]

The founder is Jaku-an. OK. What was Senrei's temple? Which was Senrei's temple? Senrei's temple is Yo-ko-ji. Yo-ko-ji. Kyoto. Yo-ko-ji temple. Yo-ko-ji. Yo-ko-ji temple. Ejo was born in Kyoto in 11... In Kyoto. Yo-ko-ji in Kyoto. Uh-huh. No, not in Kyoto, in Fukui. Pre-Cross Three-Edge Monastery. In Fukui City? No, no. Fukui-ken.

[09:15]

In the countryside. Out-of-the-way country. The Ono. The present name of the village is called Ono. O... Ono. Ono. It's very close to Edo Monastery. You can visit. People know where it is? Oh, yes. Ho-kyo-ji temple is now a second monastery. Where particular monk, OK, particular monk practice there. Because Edo Monastery is very busy, you know. So... You can actually practice there? Yeah. Yes! So, if there are monks who want to practice more,

[10:17]

it sent them to this Ho-kyo-ji Monastery. It's really the out-of-the-way country. And also Ho-kyo-ji and Kipo-ji. Kipo-ji. Kipo-ji was... Kipo-ji is the first place where Dogen Zenji stopped before he went to Edo Monastery. So he stayed here. So this Kipo-ji also is located in the way of countryside. On the way from Kyoto to Edo, he stopped there? Yes. At Kipo-ji. You can visit Kipo-ji and Ho-kyo-ji if you go to Japan. It's very famous now. Very nice place. The Japanese people don't want to visit Kipo-ji and Ho-kyo-ji

[11:29]

because it's pretty far away. Very quiet. Very quiet. Ejo was born in Kyoto in 1198 from the Kujo noble family. He was ordained under the teacher Enno at Hiei Mountain. Hiei Mountain. Enno. And studied the teachings of Kusha, Jojutsu, Sanron, Hoso, and Tendai schools. Kusha is...

[12:32]

Abhidharmakosha, yes. Jojutsu is... How can I say? Jojutsu is Jojutsu. Sanron, Jojutsu, and Sanron, that is a very original Buddhist school in the very original Buddhist school in Japan. So, Kusha... Kusha... Kusha... Jojutsu... Kusha, Jojutsu, Sanron, and Sanron, Hoso. Hoso.

[13:36]

Kusha, Jojutsu, Sanron, Hoso. Hoso is in Sanskrit... No, no, no. Not langar. Yogacara. Yogacara. Sanron is... Yes. Jojutsu is what? Jojutsu, I think, is... What do you call it? Tendai... One more is Kegon. Kegon is at the center. Kegon. I think that's all. No, Zen. Zen, Obaku. Obaku, Rinzai, and Soro. Rinzai...

[14:48]

What? Vinaya? What? Vinaya, oh, Ritsu. I'm sorry, Ritsu. Ritsu. Zen was flourished in Kamakura period, particularly. So this is a very original school in Japan brought from China in Nara period. He studied all of them. Huh? He studied all of them. Yeah, he studied. And Ejo left Ehichi Monastery... No, Hiei Mountain. Hiei Mountain was the place, the unique place, where all monks, all Buddhist monks, studied Buddhism in general, including all of this.

[15:50]

So he left Hiei Mountain and studied the teaching of Jodo school, Jodo, founded by Honen Shonin. Honen was the teacher of Shindan Shonin. Shindan is the founder of Shin school. Jodo and... He left Hiei Mountain and studied the teaching of Jodo and Shoku, who was one of Dogen Zenji's elder brothers. Shoku. Shoku. After that, Ejo studied and practiced Zen Buddhism

[16:55]

based on the teaching of Bodhidharma school in Japan under the guidance of Kakuwan. Kakuwan. Kakuwan. He visited to see Dogen Zenji in 1228, the next year after he, when he came back from China. Huh? Pre-usual in Japan. Pre-usual. First, anyway, if you want to become monk, Buddhist priest, you have to go to the Hiei Mountain first, because it was the unique place

[17:55]

where all priest, Buddhist priest, studied and practiced Buddhism in general. Then after that, you can visit any place. Concentrate on particular school and so forth. Yes. Then Ejo visited to see Dogen Zenji in 1228. At that time, Dogen Zenji stayed at the Kenrin-ji, Kenrin-ji temple built by Eisai and became the Dogen Zenji's disciple in August 15, 1234.

[18:59]

At that time, Dogen was 34 years old. And Ejo was 36 years old. So Ejo was two years older than Dogen. Yes. Did Ejo become Dogen's disciple at another ceremony? I think so. Was that a transmission ceremony? No, no, no. Transmission and, well, the ordains and... Well, you will realize something new, OK? In my seminar, OK?

[20:05]

You didn't know. You have never known. OK. We have three teachers, OK? This is out-of-form main subject, OK? The three teachers are Jugo-shi. Jugo-shi. OK? Jugo-shi. Second is Ho-do-shi. Ho-do-shi. Third, Hon-shi. Hon-shi. Jugo-shi, she is a teacher, OK? She is a teacher. Three teachers. Jugo-shi is the teacher under whom you are ordained.

[21:12]

OK? Ordained. Tokudo, yes. And Ho-do-shi is the teacher under whom you became shuso. First step. Shuso, very much. Ho-do-shi. Hon-shi is the teacher under whom you have dharma transmission. Hon-shi. So some Zen master has a different teacher, OK? He became, for instance, a monk. You are ordained under Karagiri, and you can have the shuso ceremony under another teacher, OK?

[22:17]

And then you can have all sorts of dharma transmission from another teacher. But it's not necessary to change. It's not necessary. But if you want, it's not impossible. It's not impossible. So if you study history, one of the Zen monks has two teachers, different teachers, Jugo-shi and Hon-shi. Pretty soon, I think, the Victor, who studied Zen for seven and eight years in Japan, he became ordained, he was ordained under the Tatsugami-roshi, OK? And then last year, last year, year after last year,

[23:21]

was ordained under Yokoi-roshi. So he changed. He changed to Jugo-shi. Well, there are lots of reasons. Well, this, maybe, I don't know exactly. Maybe it comes from China. You have to study carefully more. Was that, he took some ceremony for Jugo-shi? I think so. Again. Again. Well, this is complete.

[24:35]

Yeah, they're different teachers. But can you have several Hon-shi and several Hon-shi? Several Hon-shi, no? OK. This is very important, OK? Hon-shi is, you must, you must, Hon-shi must be one. Must be one. If you have a dumb transmission, you never change. You shouldn't change dumb transmission teacher, OK? If you have a dumb transmission in your whole life, he is your teacher. Oh, must, must be. In my case, I have one. I have one teacher. Huh? Dumb transmission?

[25:37]

No, no, no, no. He received dumb transmission from the Juchin. That's all. But... No, nothing. He just practiced under Eisai. And Myozen, who was a disciple of Eisai. Nothing. And Doken was ordained under the priest, who was the abbot of Heiei Mountain. So... One more thing. What's the idea of the Juchin academy teacher? And then... I still get somewhere else later, even though you have a teacher before. There's something called Zuishin, I think. Huh? Zuishin. Oh, Zuishin. Yes, that is another system, OK? Zuishin.

[26:39]

Zuishin, for instance, if you have, if you have a dumb transmission, OK? Under, from, OK? Karagiri, or Bekaroshi, or Tsukiroshi, and so forth, OK? You are still free, OK? You are still free from practicing under any kind, any teacher, OK? So if you want to practice, if you want to practice under a certain teacher, Karagiri, you can do that. At that time, it's called Zuishin. Zuishin. Zuishin is the father. Shin is the body. Zuishin. Yes, with someone else. It's not, it has nothing to do with the dumb transmission, or Jukoshi, and Hodo-shin, and so forth. Completely free, OK? You can practice.

[27:44]

Now, Zuishin is a very important system of practice in Soto school. Very important. Roshi, is Zuishin referred to, is that a name given to the student, or to the relationship between that student and the teacher, or the name given to the teacher? No, between the teacher and the student. So Zuishin describes a relationship. Particularly, this Zuishin, the term Zuishin is, the Zuishin put an emphasis on the disciple's side, student's side, Zuishin. So if you become a disciple, and practice under your teacher, well, for long, it is also called Zuishin. Zuishin is to learn something from teacher, in your daily life, throwing away your own style,

[28:49]

and jumping into the teacher's style. Learn something. That is called Zuishin. So Zuishin system is completely open to everybody. There was a famous Zen teacher. His teacher is Nishihari Bokuzan. But after his death, of course, before Nishihari Bokuzan died, Kisara Roshi had a dharma transmission from his teacher. After Nishihari Bokuzan's death, he went to the practice under the guidance of Oka Sotan, Sotan Oka, as a Zuishin. As a Zuishin.

[29:51]

So Oka Sotan, in this case, is not the Honshi. Not the Honshi. His Honshi is Nishihari Bokuzan. But you can practice under Oka Sotan. Hashimoto Roshi also practiced under the guidance of Oka Sotan. There were several famous Zen masters. In our day, they all died a few years ago. Kishizawa, Kishizawa, and Hashimoto, Hashimoto, and Sawaki.

[30:52]

Sawaki. These are all first names. I used first names. No, Zen families. Kishizawa and Sawaki. They were all practicing under the same Zen master named Oka Sotan. Was he their Honshi? Huh? Was Oka Sotan their Honshi? No, Oka Sotan was not Honshi for them. Zuishin. As a Zuishin. They practiced under the Oka Sotan as a Zuishin. But in Rinzai, if you practice... Okay, Rinzai is a little different. This is very important. If you practice... If you ordain, and...

[31:54]

If you have... When you have a downward transmission in the Rinzai, for instance, if you practice Sawaki Roshi, okay? And then, under the guidance of Sawaki Roshi, if you attain enlightenment, Sawaki Roshi is your Honshi. Okay? Your Honshi. But in Soto school, even though you attain enlightenment under the guidance of Sawaki Roshi, Sawaki Roshi is not your Honshi. Your Honshi is the teacher under whom you had the transmission from him. You understand? So, let's see the Taisan.

[32:58]

I don't know what Taisan's teacher is, but anyway, Taisan... Taisan's teacher is Nakagawa Roshi. Soen Nakagawa. But actually, I don't think he was... Nakagawa Soen Roshi was his teacher several years ago. So, very different. So, if you attain... the teacher under whom you attain enlightenment is your teacher. Okay? Your teacher in Rinzai. But in Soto, the teacher under whom you practice for long and completely become one with teacher's style. Okay? That time, teacher admits you to be qualified to have the transmission from him.

[34:06]

That time is called Honshi. Then after that, you can go any... you can practice under any teacher. Sawaki Roshi and Hashimoto Roshi or Kishizawa Roshi. And then under them, under the guidance of them, you attain enlightenment. It's not. They are not your teacher. Honshi is your teacher. Okay? Let me finish the... just a little bit more left. During the years... 1235 to 1237,

[35:09]

Ejo compiled Shobo Genzo Zmonkey while he practiced under the Dogen Zenji. 1235 to 1237. Yes. So Ejo practiced under the guidance of Dogen Zenji for about over 20 years until Dogen's death, 1253. Ejo became the second abbot of A.H. Monastery on July 14th, 1253. Dogen went to Kyoto to see the doctor because at that time, Dogen was very sick.

[36:10]

So Dogen went to Kyoto to see the doctor on August 5th, 1253. And then Dogen Zenji died on September 28th, 1253. Ejo turned over the position of the abbot to his disciple Jikai in 1267. Ejo died on August 24th, 1280, at the age of 83. Yes, he used to be.

[37:17]

Jikai used to be the disciple of Eko. Yes. So most of the monks belonging to the Dhamma school converted to Dogen's teachings. So that's why this group took on the leadership of A.H. Monastery. Yes, that's why it is the cause of trouble. A.H. Monastery. I will explain later. Very interesting trouble. Okay, any other questions? The Bodhidharma school, what was their teaching?

[38:22]

Please see the chart from the Zendast. You will find. Oryu Enan. Yes, Rinzai line. Rinzai school Oryu factions and Yogi factions. The Rinzai school in Japan now belongs to Oryu Enan, the Yogi lines of Rinzai. And Eisai also brought Zen Buddhism belonging to Oryu line of Rinzai. Okay.

[39:58]

Thank you. Rinzai school Oryu factions and Yogi factions. Rinzai school Oryu factions and Yogi factions.

[41:34]

Rinzai school Oryu factions and Yogi factions. Jyugoshi, Jyugoshi, Kodoshi, Onshi. And one more thing is Onshi. Onshi is the teacher under whom you practice. For instance, in my case, Jyugoshi is the teacher who ordained me. So this is my teacher, Jyugoshi Daicho. This is my case. Daicho. Kodoshi is, well, when I had the ceremony of Shuso.

[43:07]

Shuso. Zen-Yu. Zen-Yu. Onshi, in my case, is Daicho. Because from Daicho, I had the Dhamma transmission. So my Jyugoshi and Onshi are same. So you, first at Daicho's temple you went to Okinawa? Yes. Then you went to Eiheiji? Uh-huh. And you went back to Daicho's temple? Yes. And also, Onshi is, in my case, Hashimoto Roshi. Hashimoto Eko. Eko Roshi. Hashimoto Eko Roshi. And Yokoi Roshi.

[44:08]

Yokoi. Kakuzo Roshi. Roshi is the Onshi, the name of the teacher for when the student's case, disciple's case, you say, Zuishin? Zuishin, yes. In this case, Zuishin. Okay. It's called Zuishin. Zu-i-shin. What's Daicho's name? Yamada. No, no, Hayashi. Hayashi. So if you practice, if I practiced under the guidance of Daicho for long without practicing, without practicing under the guidance of any other teacher,

[45:12]

at that time, the Daicho Hayashi was Honshi, my Honshi, and Onshi. Onshi, because I had Zuishin. So very important teacher, all of them very important. Okay? All of them very important, but Honshi is very important. Honshi and Onshi, okay? Honshi and Onshi. Okay? That's all right? Two days? Okay.

[46:19]

Yesterday, we, I described the short history of Ejo Zen Master, the second abbot of a monastery. He edited Shobo Genzo Zuimonki and Shobo Genzo 75 volumes. Okay? And Hokyo-ki, Hokyo-ki, Shobo Genzo, Genzo 75, and Hokyo-ki, Hokyo-ki. And his work was, his work is only one.

[47:31]

It's called Homyo-zo Zanmai. Homyo-zo Zanmai. You said it's from Ejo root? Yes, just only one book. Okay. I mentioned yesterday, Ehechi, the, no, the, all disciples, most of disciples, Dogen's disciples came from Bodhidharma School and took the leadership of Ehechi Monastery.

[48:34]

But among them, some completely converted to the Dogen Zenji's teaching, but some didn't. So, there was perpetual friction between the disciples, okay? Among the disciples. But this friction didn't come up to the surface while Dogen Zenji was alive because it had been oppressed by his spiritual influence. After Dogen Zenji's death, this problem, trouble, appeared to the surface and became completely beyond control of even the Second Abbot of Ehechi Monastery, Ejo, Kong Ejo.

[49:51]

This trouble is called usually the conflict between the Third and the Fourth generations in Ehechi Monastery. But I will explain later. The, before explaining this, the cause of conflict between the Third and the Fourth generations in Ehechi Monastery, I would like to explain about the Gikai, the Third Abbot of Ehechi Monastery and Fourth Abbot, Ehechi Monastery again. The Gikai

[51:00]

G-i-k-a-i G-i-k-a-i Gikai was born in 1219 in Fukui Prefecture, pre-cross to Fukui City. At his thirteen years old, he became a monk under Eken. Do you remember Eken? Eken was not the sole Zen monk. Eken was the Zen monk belonging to the Bodhidharma school in Japan.

[52:10]

So, the Gikai became a monk under Eken. At twenty-two years old, he went to study Tendai teaching, Tendai Buddhology, Tendai school anyway, Tendai teaching at Hiei Mountain, Hiei Mountain. At twenty-three years old, Gikai and his teacher, Both, entered Dogen Zenji's monastery and practiced under the guidance of Dogen Zenji. So, Both became a monk under the Dogen Zenji. Did they maintain their rank, or both were monks?

[53:16]

Both were monks. In July 1243, Dogen Zenji left Kyoto for Fukui Prefecture. But before he went to Eheji Monastery, he stopped at Kippoji Temple, staying just for a while. Gikai really helped Dogen Zenji and his temple affairs, appointed Tenzo and Kansu.

[54:34]

So, when Dogen Zenji had been at the Kippoji Temple, Gikai had been Tenzo and Kansu. What is Kansu? Kansu means president, director, director of the Eheji Monastery. Kansu, no, Tutsu, Kansu, no, excuse me, vice, assistant director. Two years later, after Dogen Zenji's death, in 1255, he had a Dharma transmission from Ejo, Ejo Zenji. Ejo Zenji was the second patriarch, second abbot of Eheji Monastery. So, after Dogen Zenji's death, Gikai practiced under the guidance of Ejo and had a Dharma transmission from him.

[55:56]

He went to Kyoto and Kamakura to see the architecture of Tenrinji, Tenrinji, Tenrinji, and Tofukuji, Tofukuji, and Jufukuji, Jufukuji, and Kenchoji, Kenchoji, and any other Zen temples at that time. He went to see Kyoto and Kamakura to research, to study the architecture of Zen temples at that time.

[57:01]

And in 1259, he visited China to study the architecture of various Zen temples in China. And in 1262, Gikai came back to Japan. In Japan, he brought lots of materials, materials of architectures of Zen temples and any other Zen materials. So, according to a lot of materials he brought back to Japan from China, he built the buildings of Eheji, most of the buildings of Eheji, and set up the monastic rules and ceremonies in order.

[58:05]

The copy of the architecture of Chinese Zen temples in Sang dynasty, the copy of the architecture of Chinese Zen temples in Eheji,

[58:22]

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