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Pathways to Authentic Vajrayana Transformation

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The talk delves into the intricacies of Vajrayana initiation and empowerment, emphasizing the importance of proper circumstances, known as Dendid, for receiving such initiations. It highlights the essential stages of initiation: body, speech, mind, and the fourth simultaneous initiation, within the Vajrayana tradition. The discourse also explores the roles and characteristics of both the disciple and teacher, known as Lopa and Lopun, respectively, underscoring the unbroken lineage essential for authentic transmission. The speaker emphasizes the transformational practice of Tantra and the necessity for students to first understand the common paths before the esoteric Vajrayana teachings.

  • Key Terms Explored:
  • Dendid: The Vajrayana concept related to ideal circumstances for practice and initiation.
  • Vajrayana Initiation Types: Includes race, sacred, wisdom, and the fourth initiation.

  • Referenced Works:

  • Triple Vision: Discussed as a foundational text necessary before advancing to more complex Tantric teachings.
  • Words of My Perfect Teacher by Patrul Rinpoche: Recommended for understanding preliminary practices in the context of the Nyingma school.
  • The Jewel Ornament of Liberation by Gampopa: Cited as a comprehensive guide similar to Lamrim teachings on the path to enlightenment.

  • Conceptual Discussions:

  • Four Types of Mandalas: Discussed in the context of initiations, including drawn mandalas and Samadhi mandalas, highlighting the deep connection between body, speech, and mind in esoteric practices.
  • Characteristics of Teachers and Students: Emphasized the need for earnest practice and a diligent approach to teachings and meditations.

  • Initiation and Realization:

  • The crucial role of suchness (Taekwana-ni) in understanding the different levels of initiation, where each initiation addresses specific attributes of consciousness and realization.

Overall, the talk serves as a detailed exposition on the devices of Vajrayana practice, emphasizing authenticity in initiation and the essential preparatory pathways in Buddhist practice.

AI Suggested Title: "Pathways to Authentic Vajrayana Transformation"

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Yeah, and we've been talking about the identity, which is, yeah, it's the cause and the fact relationship. It's always important. talking about the career, particularly in the Vajrayana teaching. It's the root of... Then we talk about the TENGE. I hope you got to write it down that word, that word is TENGE. TEN is like a P-I-N, D-L would be like a G. which means that relationship or setting up circumstances to set up kind of proper circumstances ideas that

[01:26]

And so in the Vajrayana setting up proper dinde, which is something that has to do with amniciation. Amniciation is one good. That is W-A-N-G and one. One is empowerment of amniciation. So that is the, here, Sanjay Bindi Dao was pointing, that everything is the basis of, the root of the 10-day is under initiation. So that is, that is the case that every, and Vajrayana tradition, you know, yoga, anutara, evade initiation applies that, dendidik, which is the verb for setting up with dendidik.

[02:49]

It says, which means that in generally, the the Vajrayana tradition is principal Vajrayana tradition is using the Dendid as a path you got that Dendid and so all these Then all the dangers, here it says, so which means that all the auspiciousness of the putting together, like Jig the Apostle, putting together is the, at the time of initiation, is that putting together, you know, Jig the Apostle, all the big pictures of Mandala.

[03:54]

all the pieces are put together which means that you will need a Lama you need it yourself to be ready to receive initiation and then Nandala and all the procedures and the Havajira tradition that The preparation initiation is called Taken. Taken means T-A-G-O-N, or Taken, or preparation. That takes a first aid. And so it says, Okay, in the initiation, we are talking about four types of initiations.

[05:01]

In the one sheet, four important, major important points of initiation is that we know already the listed. I don't know. from one which is race initiation race initiation oh yeah you can take a look the child there is race initiation that child you have it right but if you don't have it still you can have it later then the second one is sacred initiation third one is wisdom initiation And the fourth one is the fourth part of the mission. And needless to say, if you happen to have the chart, then one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, all these seven down here, what happens, and this chart shows kind of nice.

[06:19]

the virus environment. Under the virus environment, we're talking about the path generation state. The path actually itself. The actual path. What is the path? The path means in the generation state, it's called a medium. The word path You know, Tibetan means lam. Lam means tab. Lam is in the, you can use the word lam for a common word, a common quote like the word is lam. As well as that used for the spiritual guide, the tab is also called lam. Yeah, L-A-M, L-A-M there, see?

[07:23]

L-A-M and there. There means the root. So the L-A-M, in this, in the pet heart, talking about the generation state. It's called freedom. K-Y, something like K-Y-I or K-Y-E. And the reading is like R-I-M. Like reading. What do you think is close to the word, close to the pronunciation? K-Y-E. K-Y-E. R-I-M. R-I-M. Okay, reading. I want you to also know, write it down. Reading, which means... the generation stage very important terms in the initiation or in the practice actually in the practice or the body in the practice you need to know the generation stage and the view

[08:45]

Then it's talking about the view of the tree. What do you call it? Intrinsic nature? How is it? No, it's Moongi. Moongi Song. Yeah. Moongi Song. Well, it's talking about it anyway. Not saying in here it's a briefness. Just talking about the view. Special kind of view. Then the next one is Tawa. A view is Tawa. The word view means Tawa. Tawa is good to know. Tibetan word Tawa means view. View of philosophy. Tawa. T-A-W-A. Tawa. And then the next one is tenets of Tawa. Tenants, talking about some sort of Thubta.

[09:50]

Tenants means Thubta. These are kind of a little... Tenant. Tenant is Thubta. Thubta means G-R-U-B-A. Thubta. P-A. Thubta. B-A. Sorry. Yeah. Then the next one is like Dajama. Dajama means poor. Poor means transformation of consciousness. Which is very important. Poor. And then there's also Indesajjava also tells you that the B-A-R-D-O means the intermediate state.

[11:04]

What? initiation of the body. So maybe we should give people a pointer to the blue group because all this stuff is... Well, maybe we should go from here. Just otherwise it's going to be a little too... Yeah, no, I'm just... What I'm sure is just describing... It's in the blue book on page 261. Oh, yeah, did you tell that, right? Yeah. 261? Mm-hmm. Maybe you can help us to where would be, like, if the verse empowerment, the verse empowerment is 261? Nice. And then tell me the secret empowerment is which page number.

[12:13]

So the secret empowerment sign... It starts on page 286. The wisdom and power map on page 228. 328. And the fourth initialization is on 345. 344. The past type outlines in the first class. Everyone from the store has the page numbers on it. Oh, that would be very nice. You keep it. What if the sacred initiation starts with the retreatment? 286. And where's the last initiation? Well, it's 261. And on 260, what it shows is the six things which Wendell should describe the path, you, we said tenet, they transferred it as final accomplishment, document, part of the result.

[13:15]

Those six are part of all four initiations. 260, huh? Yeah. And for the Sanskrit enthusiast, Catholic is Murgha, you is Darshana, final accomplishment is Siddhanta, Dhakana is untranslated. Bardo, I don't know, and result is Pala. Pala. P-H-A-L-P. P-H-A-L. P-H-A-L. Okay. Pala as in margapala. It's an asperine pea. Pala. Okay, that's good anyway. I think document is not a Tibetan word. I'm not sure it's the English word. Agama is transformation of the country.

[14:18]

That's right. Tawa. Tawa. Tawa is what? I think it's stational. Darshan.

[15:25]

Darshan. Darshan. Darshan. And then it continues. It says . which means that that initiation talking about initiation is not just merely to there's this called a sign just showing a sign or just introduction or just a blessing or

[16:39]

Not like that, but it has to be a very authentic one. It is authentic in the sense that the lineage, the chain or the lineage, unbroken chain, we're talking about the unbroken chain of that is Kalmatera, which is the unbroken chain, which is not contaminated by falls or Somebody made it up. Very authentic, original one. And then the Lama is talking about, and this is talking about nothing else to do with the student, but the Lamas who should know exactly how to give this negotiation to the students probably with an understanding of setting up the thing.

[17:44]

And so that is he talking about. When Dr. Kinsey did the Limeberry in Washington, we asked a lot about that. I remember he talked about the circumstances for the Limeberry, and if you had to have the EHA, you had to have the gun. Did somebody make the tapes? No, I don't say I ever did anything about tapes. I don't have to say ever. Yeah. I just, I remember talking about that. Yeah. That's right. That would be nice to have tapes. I think I do have some tapes about subjecting to slumber teaching and watching DC tapes, but It's not so clear. It's noisy in the background. It's not so clear.

[18:54]

The definition of initiation, he's talking about the The definition of initiation is that which is the seed of Buddha. The seed of enlightenment is to seed it, to plant, plant to one person who, in a word, making one person to become a Buddha in his lifetime, in his or her lifetime. And that procedure or method of that is called the Wonguru. And that is Satyapinjita's point. Tabla Wonguru, the method to that method is so-called Wonguru or initiation. Then he's talking about here, Gangla Guru or Loma.

[20:03]

Now he's talking about the Loma. I want you to know Disciple. Disciple, Tibetan word for Disciple is Lop Ma. It's feminine sound. Ma is Lop. It's L-O-B or something like that. L-O-B, Lop Ma, M-A, Loma. Disciple. But Guru or the teacher is LOPUN same LOP but the second syllable is PUN like a B O N LOPUN and LOMA and Then he is talking about the characteristics of how should the disciples be.

[21:11]

He is talking about the , which is the person who is a great Loqin means great thought, great mind, who is very much interested to study and profound teachings. And one who is a desire, who has a great deal of interest or desire to reach enlightenment or the state of Dojichang, the great Dojichang. When you're talking about the Dojichang, the Vajradara which means that basically talking about the buddhahood enlightenment the supreme enlightenment is in the Vajrayana term is called the Vajradara which means quickly one or two reach that

[22:29]

Here is the commitment for the teacher's commitment. Lopun's commitment is not to give Vajrayana to anybody. But to give it to a specific person. So if here is Doze Thakma Jinn Parachas to give it to that kind of person then you can give it the Vajrayana teachings. Now this talking about here Tumum Vae Lam and Tumum Vae Lam. which means a common path which means that there's that student that particular student also must study that the common

[23:58]

or the practice, the path, the general path. Here, specifically, would be like a triple vision, the text. One has to study triple vision facts. That's why that in the Sajjaya Nungo tradition that They give the Tantra, the Turbo Tantra is the essence of teaching, but before giving the Turbo Tantra, but we all always spend a great deal of time on the subject of Turbo Vision, which is Nguan Ru, which is preliminary practices. Mandro, right?

[25:02]

And Mandro is a preliminary practice. So the triple vision is kind of more like a Mandro. You said the Mora and Saki do that, so the Tzapha's done to that? Does Mandro refer to specific practices or to that whole Sutrayana common path? to be put specifically to do me frustration and such as collimatic practices, such as it applies to that whole view. All this combination of that is called teaching, you know, all that. But it has uncommon path and the common, uncommon path and the common path.

[26:05]

So then if you read it like the Triple Vision, you can, if you have read it before, Buddhist introductory, Buddhist teachings, Vajrayana and Mayana, Mayana teachings, if you read it like whatever And then you will see that basically everybody talks about it. For example, in the Gelugba, it has an extensive teachings on the Lamrim, Lamrim Shemo. It's very big, extensive, very detailed. And then, Kilimanic practices, talking about the samsaric situation, suffering, and all those things. And then the Ge-Ju-Ba, as you remember, the Jewel of Liberation talks about the same thing. And the Ning-Ma as a text.

[27:12]

Gui-San-La-Mei-Xie-Lung. Very beautiful writing. Very clear writing. Those should be read. Gui-San-La-Mei-Xie-Lung. The word is my perfect teacher. The words of my perfect teacher was translated by, I think, translated by this Sikkimese scholar. He's a former translator for the Islamic Dalai Lama, early 60s. Then he came to the United States. Now he kind of teaches. He became a yogi, and his wife is a yogini. And now they have a Buddhist son. Sonamkachi. Sonamkachi. And he lives in New Jersey, Philadelphia. And he did a good translation about that particular preliminary practices of things.

[28:24]

And those are read and meditate. That person is also characterized by the great deal of effort, a diligent person. studying or meditating or experiencing this dharma for his lifetime, for the benefit of others, for the shandermud, for the benefit of others is very important. For the benefit of sentient beings, he is interested in spending and sacrificing his life to study, to reach the alignment.

[29:26]

Again, it's back to the Vajrayana, the Lopun, the characteristic of the Lopun. So we just finished the characteristics of the disciple. Now we're going to talk about the characteristics of the teacher. Yeah, characteristics of the teacher. Lopun, and I'll tell you that Lopun Loma is a student and Lopun is a teacher. Lopun is he who gives initiation. The person who has a Guba. The Guba means a lineage. One who has a lineage unbroken chain, yubadadamba means who possessed and who understand, to understand the meaning of the teaching and what he's talking about, what he's giving that teaching.

[30:35]

And one is tamjik, which tamjik is Samaya, Tibetan word tamjik, Sanskrit is Samaya, English is commitment. That person, that guru, the Lopin also who holds the Samaya. Whatever is that. And then Menna is a Tibetan word. That is Menna. It's precepts or special instructions. Special, what do you call it? Troubleshooting. Troubleshooting? Troubleshooting. Tips. Tips. Tips. That would be proper kind of, in the modern term, tips. He's the man. He would give you tips. Not only a couple tips, but lots of tips that he can give you.

[31:39]

And... Yeah. This way, huh? That's right. Oh, I see. Oh, I see. Special. That's right. My father used to do that. He goes around and, you know, he says, that was good. Did you do it down here? Yeah, we went there some times. He won. Do you ever get a pain now? That's a very good trick. We don't share. We go to you. Yeah. Yeah. And Ningji Yu Len.

[32:49]

which means that that guru or the lopin also has his yu, yu is his mind also. What are you talking about? Sometimes the terminology like yu, in this case yu means his mind, that the Buddha's mind is, or men means moisture, moisture by compassion. His heart is moisturized by compassion. So he has a very good compassionate person. Then Tenju Tomishi. Obviously he must know many, many, what do you call the Tenju? Shastras. Shastras. Commentaries or Shastras. Many teachers.

[34:18]

Now they're talking about how it's going to be giving dance. It's how should engage the giving, how should give this initiation, how should receive In other words, here is more like how to give, but how to get this teaching from the teacher. That is, you have to ask, is like a request prayer. In general, A prayer is called a sort up.

[35:21]

But also in the colloquial we say sort up, which means request. And which means many times, you have to ask many times to the open. Isn't that common to all initiations? Always. At the beginning of initiation, you do the requesting prayer? That's right. But here it is talking about not the time of initiation, but if you want to receive some specific initiation, before you have to ask please. But it's also part of the body of initiation itself. That's right. Yeah. Then after you sought the request and then Lama agreed and then you entered into the mandala as you have seen a great deal of situations.

[36:46]

Then... There is called... ...Gyu Wang. cross-initiation, right? Cross-initiation and Lama is what we call path-initiation. So there's two types of initiations that have Ajara. Usually, commonly, Lama gives cross-initiation. But a class initiation takes two days, however.

[37:48]

One is preparation, the other one is actual initiation. Lama is specifically if you request it, then give it. What is that? What is that? Well, that's what means, just simply, so the one, the lovin should give initiation without making mistakes. Fully, all the ritual, chokha means ritual, everything should be properly given without missing. Yeah, but there's no church sisters, there's only ritual, only children. I see. Two. Only children, there's no church sisters. And I was talking about this is, okay.

[39:13]

When he's talking about the method of the initiation is to the Disciple Loma is also one who enters into the path of Vajrayana. Then that person, to his mind, to cause to rise, Pogba Charu is the realization to appear, to generate, in other words, the disciple's mind to help him to accelerate or generate his realizations through the initiation which means that Pacific initiation is directly to

[40:42]

giving towards to the body first of all so it's a body is that's why body is the cause the cause the original the source of the cause is the body is very important so all the initiation that cause initiation is directly given to the body Okay. Let's talk about the three kind of seats. Dance hall. Dance in Taiwan. Do you want to talk about those? Well, those are the Tsengju Simba dance.

[41:45]

Tsengju Simba. When you go to the sadhana, talking about the stages of the palaces and within that there are buddhisattvas and female buddhisattvas and all those things are called the stages. So, in other words, inside of our body, that whole established the various stages of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas and females and males, all that is in us. With the help of four initiations. Bass initiation, water initiation, name initiation, and so on. So there's... Maybe you could just translate this song.

[42:52]

Yeah, could you? That's actually from the Vajra verses. Yeah. So... Well, it's a... The third initiation and the fourth initiation is also... empowered to the cross-initiation in the cross-initiation gyuang The meaning explains furthermore meaning of that if you wanted to initiate it to whom initiated It is talking about the method of tantra.

[43:56]

The method of tantra. Body method of tantra is called. Which means that which is our body, our person. Ten means the disciple who enters into the path of Vajrayana. That person is Ten and Silla means to generate to that person a special realization. Right? It is a ra-lab means it is completely, totally, this initiation is directly giving to the body, the disciple's body, specifically aimed towards to the body.

[45:19]

Target is body. This body is target. So therefore, the four types of initiations or four types of mandalas. Four types of mandalas. Right. What are they? What are they? Well, there's the drawn. right there is the color powder right there is the body the body mandala there's samadhi mandala there's the bhaga mandala oh wow yes actually sometimes there's four sometimes there's six eight yeah generally four like redi jengu donjun jengu redi jengu which is like a

[46:24]

and the Tanga drawing on the camp campus. The Lama is the one they gave initiation. The highest, one of high Lama, high Loma, and high Loma. If there are two highest, one, two together, then you don't have to have anything like a thing in the mandala. They initiated it. directly, they communicate everything at once. And for the least or slowest in my class, we suggest that it is either the reading jungle, or the canvas mandala, or the canvas written, or the which is the same mandala. Where is that?

[47:40]

We don't have a handy handy. What would be an example of a Samadhi Mandala. Is it a traditional story? A Samadhi Mandala traditional would be... About some particular teacher. Some Pacific teacher. And it would acquire the Pacific student. Very, very high advanced. Is there a traditional example that is bumping up? Another... It is... In the Kajipa tradition, it talks about Marpa-initiated millerartita.

[48:57]

Well, that's kind of what I was thinking. That's right. The Kajuruba thinks that there is some tradition like that. Mind to mind. Yeah, mind to transmission. Yeah. That's right. That will be the perfect example. That Naratma gave Biruba. Yeah, I remember that story that Biruba received one night the But Naradma came in his kind of vision. He came and gave initiation overnight. And the next day, he's already changed. That would be a good example. Yeah. And... Uh, in the missions, uh, then the is, uh, the vast initiation.

[50:17]

Empowerment of which means, uh, The first initiation is given to the body. And the secret initiation is given to the speech. The wisdom initiation is given to their mind. Then the fourth initiation is given again simultaneously by their mind and speech together. War initiation doesn't have it. That's what it's called. War initiation. It doesn't. Well, there are... Beyond words. Sometimes we have a word. Word initiation.

[51:21]

Word initiation. Word initiation. But fourth decision is common known as Wong Shiva is called. But Wong Shiva is simultaneously guided by the mind's speech or at once. Wong Shiva is called. Shiva means fourth. Fourth is just like fourth decision. Also, Taekwana-ni is... How do you translate? Taekwana-ni. Suchness. Okay. Suchness is talking about also there is three kinds of suchness that is giving correspondence with each of the initiations.

[52:29]

For example, on the first initiation, suchness of self is suchness. The self-suchness Dak means self. Self-satchness means you become a god. Deva or Ta. This has three kinds of classifications of deity. Buddhist and Bodhisattvas.

[53:45]

The consorts and goddesses. And the wrathful and wrath. Because the male and female wrathful. You know, the goddesses and the wrathful. So those are the three. Okay, that's good to know. Thank you. Say it again. Which is you will obtain. I don't know what I was talking about. This seed or the stage and experience another was basically talking about it you will experience the buddhas and the buddhisattvas you will also experience the what was next one?

[54:57]

Sanyidu and Changidu Temple together okay and there's the Rigma Rikmatam Hama Rikmatam Hama Rikmatam Hama which means once you experience the Buddha or the Buddha Sattva, that each has a partner. The partner itself is rinma. Partner, which means a council. You will also obtain both side of a psychological female, feminine side and the male side simultaneously. So the female side of your is called Rigma. That is the consort. And besides the consort, then there are some kind of retinue females in the Havajan, right?

[56:01]

They are like, say, Havajan, you yourself is a hiruga, and your partner would be Vajunaradma, And then there will be like eight goddesses. Those will be like the experience. Then the next one is... Besides the body mandala, then we talk about its joints. also corresponds to various of the dakkas and dakinis. And the UX experience. You know, all the joints, this joint, that joint, each has its own cross energy that is something that manifests into our dakkas and dakinis. So you experience all.

[57:02]

But a serious question, these are all super mundane deities. Super mundane deities. All those are not the... physical deities, but super-maintained deities. How do they get the word suchness? Suchness is a... The word is such. No, not suchness. They call it ni, which is suchness. It's a dustness. Ineffable. [...] It's a little, it's a foundation ni, just like that. Just like it is. Yeah, it's like you can point to the moon, but you can't really... It's a tata. It's a tata. It's not good, huh? Well, what are the instructions? How do you... Well, such as maybe the... There's only English word, and you can find it there, such as bata. Tibetans also only find the taekwana-ni. But taekwana-ni is actually that very one.

[58:06]

What did you translate? That very what? Huh? Yeah. That very what? Yeah. I like it. It's without elaboration. It's not making it, you know, like it is. Lessness. Lessness. But even lessness sounds like suchness. Thanks, Paul. What the hell is? I'm just, I, if everybody wants to do more, but I, I just, oh, so that took such as it is me, such as it is to be a God, such as it is me. Well, it, it kind of comes out from the non-verbal experience. It just comes out with that, that is, that is, that experience, whatever is, you know, that's truth, the truth is. metal comes out in that and then the speech initiation is called what is it called?

[59:23]

secret initiation is called secret initiation secret empowerment Secret Empowerment is a Tibetan known as Sang Won Sang is Secret, Won is Empowerment The Secret initiation which implies or it also gives empowered or awakening of the suchness of the mantra or the certainness of the sound that it generates by giving that you will liberate it completely the sound system of the language in other words the hearing the language of what is everybody's language which has a meaning

[60:37]

the sound that makes a meaning the sound that has does not have a meaning but in this case that even an animated sound can also understand meaning about this secret initiation and it has a meaning if something is a dropped a piece of stick from the tree. And you can understand, you can elaborate that. He said he can read any books. Everything is in our book shop, which means to appear every textbook is in his mind. So that is on the second initiation, the Satchanis of the Nando, Satchanis of the Nando.

[61:45]

And then the third initiation is called the Wisdom Empowerment. It's a Tibetan word, Shirab Yeshi. Shirab Yeshi, you want the wisdom of wisdom. Wisdom of Knowledge. Transcendental Wisdom of Empowerment. Transcendental Wisdom of Empowerment. Which gives you the suchness of the God. The Deity. And... that remember that suchness of the God realization or the Hiruga or the deity realization is based on the, remember these initiations are not directly physical level.

[63:06]

Giving it to the physical level, so it's Changseng. To generate the Changseng is the spawn. to generate the budchita, the vital body fluid, essence of fluid to generate that. See that, somehow use it and then generate the experience of the deity, hiruga. Then the last one is Wang Shiva. The fourth initiation, Wang Shiva Yishi Taekwani, the suchness of the wisdom, is directly to again manipulate, in a sense, to the vital air. In that, in the vital air,

[64:14]

to transform and formed into three different realizations about the Buddha. Same thing, the Buddha, [...] the Buddha. I want to show you the role of the fourth initiation in the sacca that I'm a little unclear about because like in the galupa there's no additional substance initiation it's just reflecting on what you experienced in the third initiation you gain greater insight whereas in the sacca here it's more specific and also if you look at the practices on our little if you work in the practices of the fourth empowerment the path is the path of this Dolce Balad Vajra Waves which again is another wind meditation it's not just like a Mahamudra meditation without any specific object it's a specific wind meditation so sometimes it's much more profound I mean it does more is a sign mechanic

[65:44]

and direct use of those body essentials. Yoga. Yoga practices. And they're much more profound. And so now we've finished that principle about the... So how to confer the initiation or how to receive it? No, we went through the cause and the body method. That's right. In the body mandala or in the system of the meditation or in this Vajrayana tradition, it is very important to know about yegi, which means the letters. And Then Changsim, the buddhichitta, the element of the body fluid, Changsim, and then lung, which is a vital air.

[66:58]

Those are very important to see directly to penetrate to the Pacific region. important things to the body things penetrated and use that to generate with your own consciousness and that's very quick way to realize to the enlightenment so in that in this way here says So that when you receive initiations, there is the Lama who is giving initiation, and the initiation, the ritual of initiating itself, and the object of the bells and those utensils, what you call the instruments,

[68:06]

All these trees, everything is the same quality of the dancing. What are the three seeds? Three seeds. Okay, maybe we'll stop here, you know. Let's test it out. So, I'm still not sure I've got the distinction between the body method contour and the cause.

[69:08]

Can you talk to me? That's actually basically the same thing. It's almost the same. Yeah. Oh, that's right. We were going to...

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