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Aum, [...] Aum It's very difficult, you know, for most people to remember the sequence and the sequences of opening and closing the oriochi. You can't hear me? Can you hear me better?

[01:03]

No? Yes? Maybe? Okay. Well, yeah. Better, right? So, I'm going to proceed to open and close the Oryoki, so I can demonstrate how it's done. As I've said many times, Oryoki is a way of moving with the objects in the yogi to have a continuous smooth sequence.

[02:07]

So you're not just arbitrarily doing something, but there's a way that each motion uses There's no unnecessary movement, there's no arbitrary movement. It's a way of flowing with the bowls and the utensils, and if you learn it and do it that way, then it feels like a very enjoyable thing to do. If you don't learn it and do it that way, It's just a lot of formality. So, I want at least to bring light on the subject.

[03:13]

I'll just start, and then start talking. If you want to follow with your bowls, that's fine. It might be a good idea, as a matter of fact. It will slow us down, but I think it's a good idea. There are two styles of bowls.

[04:25]

One is ordinary bowls, and the other is priest bowls. Priest bowls are a little different style. When we first started to eat meals, or when I first started, when I first came to Zen Center, we were eating meals with the servers would bring out trays with bowls. with the food on them. And then we just take the bowls off the trays and eat that way. And then we started using orioke. And so we used ordinary bowls, three bowls, and setsu. And then when there began to be some priests ordained. The priests got some priest bowls, what monks ordinarily use in Japan in the Soto school.

[05:36]

So, those are the two different kinds of bowls. Essentially, they're the same, but in the priest's bowls there are a few more items, which shouldn't bother anybody. So when I open my bowls there'll be a few little more items there, but basically it's the same. So when we open the bowls, you know, we bow to the bowls and then you put two fingers on one side of the knot and the thumb on the other side. But I don't know what it is. But with your left hand you do that. Then you open the knot. This holds the bowl steady. Then you open the knot and spread out the cloth like that. And then you pick up, now watch me, don't do it.

[06:46]

You pick up the napkin in the middle with your finger and thumb. Match that. And then, holding the cloth like this with your thumbs inside, you just make, you fold it in thirds by folding one side over the other. That's a very simple operation. You just go. You go. And then it's in thirds. Left hand over the right. And it's in thirds. And then you kind of straighten it out. Now, priests have this. It keeps the setsu holder from getting wet from the cloth. So you put this down on top of your setsu holder and pick up the setsu holder like this with your right hand on top, right thumb on top,

[07:55]

and turn it around and put it down. So the open ends of your wiping cloth are on the left. See, the way you turn things and the way you hold your hands makes a difference. This is the secret of orioke is either you hold your hands this way when you're doing something or you hold them this way. If you hold them this way, things get turned around and are upside down. If you hold them this way when you do things, But sometimes you hold them this way, and sometimes you hold them this way. So that's why I have to explain the details. So in this way, we held the right hand on the top and the left hand on the bottom. And then everything came out right. OK. And then, the way you do the lap napkin is you take the two corners, which should be, the open corner is supposed to be on the left, upper left hand. The upper left is where the two open corners are.

[08:59]

And you take one open corner with the thumb and finger of your right hand, and this bottom corner with the thumb and finger of your left hand, and you open it up. And then you put it on your lap. The fold in the middle is facing down. You know what I mean? It goes like this. The fold in the middle. Did it just fall in the middle? Facing down. It is facing down. I'll tell you that right now. You don't have to worry about it. I see some looks of query. You're like, what? Pulled? Which way is down? That way. The hem is up. The hem is always up because it depends on which way you iron the cloth. I don't want to get it mixed up with the hem. It's very simple. That's just a little added note. If you did that, you did it right. If you picked it up this way and put it down, you did it right.

[10:03]

A little ravine running down the middle. Thank you. Then, with, you see, in orioke we used two fingers and the thumb. Sometimes we do this, sometimes we do this, and sometimes we do this. But it's all done with two fingers and a thumb. The cloth. So here, you take the two fingers of your right hand and open up the top. And then you lift up the other hand, pull it back. So now you have this diamond, right? Diamond shape. So you take this part, lean over, and fold it, so to try and get the the ends the same. And then you fold under the bottom part. We've been doing this for a long time. Same way.

[11:07]

And you can put, yeah, I slide my Zabaton back. Not everybody can do that, but I slide mine back so I have more space. But anyway, so you try and make it as even as you can. And then you take the two ends and you fold the left one in and you fold the right one in. And sometimes it comes out nicely and sometimes not so good. But you just eat anyway, right? But you eat what? You just eat anyway. Hopefully, whether you're good or bad, Santa Claus doesn't care. So, the priests have this little tablecloth. Now, originally, if you have a bowl made in Japan, it's made out of paper.

[12:14]

It's made out of laundry chips that are glued together and lacquered and then folded. And it's more stiff. This one was made for me by Vicky Austin. She's very clever. It's made out of raincoat material so it doesn't soak through. And you open it like this. But if it's stiff, it comes out stiff. This is a little floppy. And when you close it, you close it like that. So is the corner to your left? The bottom corner with your right hand and the top corner with your right hand. And the open corners should be at the top left. The open corners should be at the top left. So you take the bottom corner with your right hand and just go like that. And don't try to wash these. With these?

[13:17]

In the washing machine? Oh no, don't do that. Okay, so then if you're a priest you pick up your bowls and you put it down and it's a little tablecloth on top of your tablecloth. Then, see like I have, this has five bowls. In Japan, the priests or the monks use more bowls. They use a little bowl for gamasyo, then they use another little bowl for pickles. Japanese monks always eat lots of pickles and Japanese really know how to make pickles. When we had a lot of Japanese priests around at Zen Center in the 70s, 60s and 70s, 60s mostly. We made all kinds of pickles and we made pickles out of cantaloupe rinds and out of watermelon rinds and anything that was around.

[14:35]

So the thing about pickles, we had a microbiotic specialist come one time and gave us a lecture about pickles and grains and he said the grains are acidic and the way to counteract the acidity of grains is to eat pickles and it seems to work for them. It probably doesn't work for Grace, but it works for the rest of us. They use one bowl for pickles. They always have pickles at every meal. And one bowl for Camasio. But we don't use them. So the bowls you don't use, you just put down and then you put the third bowl on top. Then you bring out the second bowl and you put it in the middle. So we have three bowls, right?

[15:38]

Is there a way that you take the bowls out? Well, silently. I'm sorry. Yes, you put your whole thing over to the left And then and then you put the small bowls on the right and the middle bowl in the middle Then you reach under the napkin and pick up your With your right hand, you pick up your setsu. What? Is there any way to get these balls? I can't hear you. How do you get the balls out quietly? Well, that's your koan. Then with your right hand, with your thumb on top, you pick up the setsu with all the stuff in it, and you transfer it to the left hand like this.

[16:41]

Right? Thumb on top. Then, with your thumb... Your Setsu is supposed... The Setsu is supposed to be inside the flap of the envelope with the tip facing you. Like this. So, then with your right thumb, you go under the Setsu and lift it up with the flap. And then, let's see, okay. So you pick that up, and then you take the Setsu with your hand this way, so that your fingers are on top and your thumb is on the bottom. So you raise your hand up, you're holding the bottom of the Setsu with your left hand? You're holding, yeah. And then with your right hand on top of the Setsu, upside down, so that when you put it down, it's facing you.

[17:45]

The tip is facing you. You go... Like that. In between the second and third bowl. Yeah. So does the Setsu come first? Like this. So you put the Setsu down first? No. You can put the Setsu down first. I'll tell you what. When you're explaining it, it sometimes is difficult. You do this. Okay. Open it up with your left hand with the Setsu. With your fingers on top. Just like this. And then, putting it against your body, you push out the utensils. So you have all three here. And then you take the bottom of the bag and pull it down with your right hand. Then, with the scissors fingers, you just simply, well, I'm sorry, with your hand, you just fold it into thirds with your thumb.

[18:55]

Okay, fold it into thirds with your thumb. Just pick it up with your thumb, the bag, with your thumb. And then grab it with the fingers of your left hand. so that you've got the whole thing there in your left hand in thirds, with the bag in thirds. Then, okay, then you can take out the chopsticks and put them down. Now, when you take, some people take out the spoon first. Can I ask another question? Yeah. This is something I learned from Rita Barrows. Oh. I called her Rita Barrows, but anyway, he said to, that it would be okay to take the senzu out and just hold it still? It would be, but that's not what we're teaching here. You're holding your hand this way, right? You take the chopsticks out and you put them on the left. You just go... Put them on the left, on your napkin.

[20:02]

I mean, on your cloth. Just go like this. That's it. No, don't change your hands though. Just one continuous movement. Right. One continuous movement. It's very simple. Yeah, just go like that. Yes. And the point, what? The points are facing to the right. If you do it that way, the points will be facing to the right. Then you pick up your spoon the same way, and the spoon part is facing to the right. And it goes right underneath the chopsticks. So just when they were in the bag, were the points pointing up or down?

[21:04]

They're down. You put them in the bag with the points down. And the spoon the same way. But the spoon has to be in with the bowl away from me, Jim. If you hold your hand this way, then it works. No. If the bowl is down. Bowl is down. And you go like this. And there it is. Then you take the Setsu the same way with your hand on the top and just put it in between the second and third bowls. So that operation is all done with the hands this way. Hand on top in that motion. You don't turn things around, you just continue the motion and everything comes out right. Okay, so then you have your bag folded in thirds.

[22:06]

I have to remember how I do this automatically without thinking. So then the open part of the bag faces the left. And then you put that underneath the wiping cloth and put the wiping cloth on top. And you're ready. It could face to the right. I'm trying to remember how I do it. Yeah, it faces to the left. Okay, put it to the right then. Okay. I have to tell you, I just do this automatically, and to have to analyze it without the movement, It's pretty hard. So anyway, I appreciate any corrections.

[23:11]

If you're left-handed, you do everything with your right hand. I can do things with my right, with my left hand. Not that big a deal. I could do it the opposite way, if I learned it that way. Well, that's the whole thing of how people were forced to write with their right hand years ago, and the question now is, do we have to do it right-handed or not? It's okay, if you can figure out how to do it left-handed, it's okay with me. It's hard enough for me to teach it right-handed. So then when the server comes, I know that you all know this but some of you don't, you put your hands in gassho and the server comes and bows to both of you, right?

[24:26]

And then while the first person is being served the second person keeps their hands in gassho. then the first person puts their bowl down and then while the second person is being served the first person keeps their hands in gassho, not like this, in gassho, and then when the second person is served they hold their bowl like this in their lap and then both people bow to the server. with their hands in Gassho and the other bows, with the bowls. We hold the bowl in our lap. Some people hold the bowl up here. Some people hold the bowl like this. But we all agreed that many years ago that we would hold the bowl this way. So we do it like this. Some people do it like this. They don't want to offend the server. That's more direct contact with the server to put the bowl aside.

[25:27]

But this is fine. This was taught to me by someone who was very precise. So we do it this way. So then we fill the three bowls and then we put the spoon in here when we And then we put the chopsticks here. And then we... Is there a hand that you use to put the spoon in? Your right hand. Unless you're left-handed. Yes. I have a question about the tamasio and how we bow and we cast it. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Well, it's confusing. So... we receive the gamassio and then we bow to the server, right?

[26:32]

Then we put it down and then if I'm sitting with other people and we wait for the second bowl before we put gamassio on the first bowl. So after the second bowl is served then we can put gamassio on the third bowl. So what I do is I'll pick up the gamassio and hand it to the person next to me and offer it to them first. Do you bow before you do that? Well, I bow, pick it up and offer it to the person next to me or I'll just pick it up and offer it to the person next to me and then the person receives it and we bow to get to each other. Then that person uses it and hands it back to me and then I'll use it. And so if in doubt, bow. handing it that way?

[27:51]

Well, the nurse-the-altar thing is, that's the person who receives it from the server. Person nurse-the-altar receives it from the server, so as to avoid confusion, and then we put it down. But as to who uses it first, the person nurse-the-altar So if the person nearest the altar wants to use it first, they can use it first. But as I said, I offer it to the person next to me first. I didn't say you have to do that. It might be good to say which way we do it, though. You can do it either way. Depends on... Yes? I learned this little... what is it? a mnemonic device from Linda Ruth Cutts once.

[28:52]

It fits the way of the first person using it first. But anyway, it's Puckabee, which is pick it up, use it, pass it, bow. Pick it up. Use it. Well, in other words, you pick it up first before you bow. Right. And you don't bow, you pass it and then you bow, like when you're doing the tea. Yeah, that's right. Something you said last year really helped me, which was, essentially, as soon as the server leaves with the second ball, you bow. As soon as you get your second ball, both people have their food. Oh, that's right. And you bow to the server, and then you pick up the gamassio. So it's a two in one. In North Carolina, we do this thing where with the servers, that we hand the servers the first bowl, but with the second bowl, we hand it, I mean, we hold it.

[30:00]

Oh, yeah, the server takes the second bowl. That's right. Yeah, well, I haven't got there yet. Oh, okay, sorry. But we haven't been doing that here. Well, this is not necessary. This is something, you know, at Zen Center, we said the server can hold the second bowl and serve, but that's not an obligation. If the server holds out their hand, then you put it in the server's hand, okay? But you don't have to do that. You don't do that with the first bowl? No, no, just the second bowl, yeah, or the third bowl. So nobody handles the third. The first bowl is the Buddha bowl. That's the main dish and so you don't hand that to somebody else. So the first bowl is the grain bowl and that's the

[31:03]

basic food that you eat. The others are condiments, really. And so the way that it's set up with three bowls is that the most food goes in the big bowl and then you add in two little bowls with additional items. So you eat from the first bowl and then you go to the second bowl and you eat some of that. eat and then you go to the third bowl and eat some of that. So you keep going back to the first bowl in between all the rest so that you have a balanced meal. I mean you balance the way you eat and you don't just kind of devour one and then go to the next and because these are But you don't have to do it that way.

[32:15]

I can't tell you how to eat, but that's the way it's set up to do. Yes? Like last night, we were the last people served, and I went to pick up the bowl, and the clappers went. Well, you have to talk to the Tokyo about that. Is there some rule that you can't use gomasio after the clappers go? So you just wait until after it goes? You can use gomasio at any point. Yeah, what's the problem? As long as it's there, you can use it. It feels funny if everybody's chanting together and you're like... Hey, good point.

[33:18]

Saviour of the underdog. What? I threw too much laughter, I couldn't get it. Could you elucidate the principles of food mixing? Oh, well, mixing food, you don't mix anything in the first bowl, but you can mix things that are in the second and third bowl, like if you have fruit in the second bowl and you like them mixed, you can take some of the fruit and put it in the first bowl, the third bowl. You can mix them. Often at Zen Center, the tenso comes out and says, the tenso invites you to mix the third bowl and second bowl, but you don't have to be invited.

[34:29]

So I don't say that, but you can just do that. I've been through this. If we have too many little questions, we can't get anywhere near through with this. So please be circumspect about whether this is a really important question or not. Howard? When can you bring a bowl to your mouth? The second and third bowl. Oh, you can pick it up and push it. Well, yeah, you can drink out of the second bowl. If you have soup, you can drink it out of the second bowl.

[35:32]

No, I don't mean just liquid, solid. The Chinese style, like this? As long as you don't offend anyone. Okay, is this about Gamasio? I was told once, never use chopsticks. Never use? Chopsticks. Oh, well, no. We usually use the spoon goes with the first bowl. Some people are very anal about what you use with what, but the spoon goes in the first bowl, but you can also use chopsticks there. To eat pasta with your spoon is a little funny, so you can eat that with your chopsticks. It just depends on what's in there. So yes, but basically we use the spoon for most things that go in that bowl, that's all.

[36:58]

Sometimes we have bread in the first bowl, right? Now you don't eat bread with a spoon and you don't eat bread with chopsticks, so When I have bread, I usually don't put the spoon in there when I lift it up because it seems, just for the sake of formality, I don't want to do that. I'd rather be practical. So I leave the spoon out and just hold up the bowl if I have these big chunks of something. I want to get just to some more important issues. When you receive the food, you pick up your spoon and hold it like this.

[38:04]

Your bowl is in one hand and your spoon is in this hand. When you're getting seconds? When you're getting seconds, yeah. And then the server serves and then you go like this to say stop. Lift up the spoon to say stop. Then you put the spoon back in. Pow. And the same with the chopsticks. Now, when the meal is over, we bow and take the chopsticks up, if you're right-handed, and put your hand over your mouth and put them down. And then there are similar ways to do this. You pick up the setsu. Well, this is one way. Oh, pointing to the right. So that... The other way, right?

[39:07]

Yeah, the opposite way. To the left. I'm sorry. So if you pick them up like this, then you put them down and they're going in the right direction. Your thumb on top. That's very simple. They're going in the right direction. The tip's facing to the left. Now, to pick up your Setsu, with your thumb on top. This is one way. You put it down and then you pick up the spoon with your fingers. You don't have to do that. That's a little bit of a kind of expert way of doing it. You put that down and then with your fingers you pick up the spoon and then you and lick it off. Or you can do it this way. You put the spoons in here, and you pick it up with your right hand, transfer it to your left hand, pick up your spoon, and put your tzatziki in there.

[40:13]

That's the ordinary way. And then lick off the spoon. And the spoon part is facing this way, right? Because you have it in your right hand. And then you put it upside down. When you were doing the other, when you opened up, the spoon is facing up. Now the spoon is facing down. Below. Below, meaning towards the ball or towards you? No, facing, it's on your side of the chopsticks. Your side of the chopsticks. Okay, then the server comes and serves water and we pick up the Setsu and you get as much water as you want and then you go like this.

[41:16]

I'm sorry, well you know that you, okay before that, I'm sorry. You pick up this bowl and you clean it out first. So this is called a Setsu and it has a cloth tip. This is what we always used forever, was a cloth tip. But somewhere along the line, somebody said, that's unsanitary. So people started using these rubber tip things, which always gives me the willy. It's like scratching your finger on the blackboard for me. Yeah, I know. But anyway, I still use the Setsu. And so then you clean out the three bowls by holding them this way on your lap, on your knee. Do it this way. The Buddha bowl on your knee like this.

[42:20]

Then you put it down and you pick up this one and you can do the same or you can do it like this. Are you teaching us something new because I think we didn't like this one. With the water. Before the water. and then you clean the three bowls then you put this down here then the server comes and you get the water right and then you wash the bowl out with the water then you hold the setsu in with your thumbs and pour the water into the second bowl like that all the water goes into the second bowl and then you put you take the Setsu out and put the bowl down and then you put the Setsu into the second bowl. I put my Setsu like this on top. The reason I do that is because one time I was at Tassajara and my Setsu, there was a lot of water in the bowl and the Setsu just kind of went like this and flipped over on the floor.

[43:31]

So I put it on top now, so that doesn't happen. It's rare. What process? Oh yeah, that's right. Right, but I have to do that in order to talk to you. Yeah. Well, okay. Let me do this. Then you put this down. And then you take up your lab napkin. That's correct. And I don't mean that, your wiping cloth. So here's how you take up your wiping cloth. Those two corners are on the left-hand side, right? So the top corner you take in between these two fingers. And you hold it up and let it fall. And if you're clever, you can make it fall into thirds. Yeah, and then from you to the outside.

[44:36]

Like you just lay it over from you to the outside. Then you grab it with your thumb inside the bowl and your fingers outside and you put your thumbs of your left hand inside and your fingers out and you turn the bowl, wiping it off. Isn't that nice? And then you take the cloth again, the tip in your left hand, holding it up. I'm sorry, right hand. And hold the bowl. And then with your left hand, you roll up the cloth until it fits inside the bowl with just a little tip sticking up. Just roll it up with your thumb. And then you put the bowl down. Then you pick up your spoon this way, just the way it's laying down, and turn it around.

[45:39]

It's like, you go like that, and then hold it with your left hand. And then you take the setsu and you clean off the rolling the spoon back and forth so you can get both sides. And then you put the setsu back in the bowl, And with your thumb on top of the spoon, like this, you lift up this cloth and you turn it around, turn the spoon around and go this way. And then you have the spoon in your hand with your thumb on top and you simply slide it into the bag. And one, you go like this. This is the same as we were doing before, right? You just go, and it goes right in the bag. I'll do it again. You have it in your left hand, and then you put it in your right hand, too, with your thumb on top, and you clean the bowl.

[46:43]

You wipe the bowl, like this, okay? And then, finally, you turn it around, so the top is up here, and push it through. Push it through the cloth, like that. And then you grab it on top with your fingers and it goes right into your bag. You have to turn your hand the other way so that the bowl winds up down. Bowl down? Don't you put it in with the bowl down? Doesn't matter. No, I don't put it in with the bowl down. Doesn't matter with the bowl down. So when you take it out... Well, when you take it out, you just put it down like that. The bowl's up. I think it's easier to put the bowls down. Well, let me say something. There are little subtleties, you know. Someone does it this way, someone does that. The subtleties, you'll never get everybody to agree on everything. Okay? So if that's the way you want to do it, fine.

[47:46]

It doesn't really disrupt, it doesn't, you know. But if you do it this way, and the bowl is up, and you put it in with the bowl up, When you take it out Well, it just depends on which way you turn your hand That's all so if your hand is the other way Anyway, if it works for you, it's okay. I mean, just getting through the thing is pretty good. Then you pick up the chopsticks with your thumb on top, the same way, thumb on top, and transfer it to your left hand. And then with your right hand, you wash the chopsticks, rolling them back and forth.

[48:49]

Put the setsu down, and with your thumb on top, you have the chopsticks, like this. You're holding him at the bottom, not at the top. The points are always facing away. So you're watching, you're holding the handle and you're watching the tips because that's what you've been using, right? Then you put the Setsu down and you still have the tips facing the bowl with your thumb on top. Then you lift up and you do just the same as with the spoon, back and forth. and turn them around and then you turn the whole thing around so that you're at the top and you push them through. Then with your fingers on top you pull it through and you put it into the bag. Same thing. Points are always facing away. Points go down into the bag.

[49:51]

If you do it that way the points will go into the bag. Ross looks Dubious. Oh no, not dubious, just I'm a little stretched between two coasts. Between what? Between New York and here. Oh, don't forget New York. Forget New York. When you go to New York, do it New York's way. I don't live in New York anymore. Then don't do it. Then you pick up the bag with your left hand and the thumb on top. left hand with the thumb on top and the utensils are facing you. Then you let go at the bottom of the bag so it hangs down and then you push the chopsticks down, you push the spoon down and you kind of guide them in so they don't make a lot of noise. Then you pull the bag top over, the top of the bag over, the point, the arrow.

[50:58]

Then with your Right hand on top, your left hand on the bottom. You turn it so the arrow is pointing to the left. And you put it down. Then, you watch the second bowl. You watch the second bowl on the tan. You don't pick it up. That's correct. Then, you take the bowl with your thumb on top, and it sits on the right hand. and take the small bowl and put it in the middle. And then you put a part of the water in the small bowl and keep part of it in the big bowl. Then you put the setsu back in the little bowl and you drink the water. Then you pick up with your right hand, little finger, The cloth again, the same way we did with the big bowl, from you out, thumbs in the side, fingers outside, and you turn.

[52:02]

Wipe it off. Then you pick up the cloth with your right fingers, in between these two fingers, and hold the bowl with the right hand, and fold up the cloth with the left hand, and then wipe out the middle, and then put it down inside the big bowl. Then you take the little bowl and you wash, [...] wash. If you have a Setsu like mine, then you kind of squeeze the water out. But you have the Setsu in your right hand like this. And then you wipe off the tip, you know, with both hands. And then you take with your left hand, you put your hand on top and you can wipe off the Setsu by back and forth, and then you push it through mostly. Then you take your left hand upside down with your thumb on bottom and fingers on top and pull the Setsu through.

[53:07]

And then it just goes right in to the arrow. Voila! Just before you were using your right hand, now you're using your left hand. James Kenny. You don't have to pick up anything. Look, I just went like this. Yeah, oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, if you want to do it without picking it up, go ahead. It's probably easier to pick it up than to do this. So you just pick it up, kind of look at it, see where the... So you put it inside there. So you want to make sure it goes inside there. Okay. Then, the server comes around, and you put half of the water, or some portion of the water, into the bowl.

[54:08]

And then you bow to the server. When you pour the water out? Well, there's this, and there's that. I just, you know, depends on where you are, and where they put the bowl. and how shallow the bowl is. They used to come around with buckets. So because it came around with buckets, we'd go like this so as to not make noise, you know. But I just put it in the bucket, into the bowl. If you want to do this, it's fine. I do the kind of, you know. This means, you know, you're not making a splash and you're trying to control it and you put it on the side, you know. But it depends on the bowl. I mean, on the receptacle, so. The principle is not to throw it in, but to lay it in, lay the water in. I thought you had something. Oh okay, well if you have two people, my way of thinking about it and the way we always did it, was to put the bowl, you know, like you're coming between two people and so you put it in the most convenient place for the person to lean over.

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You figure out where's the most convenient place for that person, what's the most accessible convenient place and put it there. So the person doesn't have to lean way over. You put the bucket way down there. Just make it accessible. That's all. So I can't tell you exactly where to put it. But that's up to you. Up to the servers to put it in the most accessible place. In the third bowl, you don't drink from it until after the servers? You put half the water into the bowl, into the servers. And then you drink the rest. You don't drink it first. OK. Yeah. Yeah, the second bowl you drink, all of it. The third bowl you offer half and drink half. It doesn't have to be half, but you offer and drink because you still have to wash out this bowl. And then you washed out this bowl and you put everything away. And oh, and then you pick up this again and wipe off the bowl.

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And then, you know, like this. And we'll fold up the cloth and wipe out the bowl. And then you take the cloth and hold it like this in your hand when you're done wiping. And you put the third bowl inside those bowls. And if you have more bowls, you put them inside. And then you can wipe off your cloth with this, you know, the excess water. You just wipe off. And then you put the bowls in the middle. And if you have one of these, you just go fold it up and put it on top. Then you... Well, when I put my bowls in, I usually use my thumbs kind of... Yeah, that's good. And I don't know... That's fine. James, you were asking about how to get the bowls in without making noise, and you can make it Sometimes they slip though. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. I think you just have to finesse them in there. So then you... You keep the cloth in the left hand? Yes. Well, it's in your left hand. I don't know. And then you put it... Yeah, keep it... Keep it in your left hand. Okay. And then... And then you take the point nearest to you and put it over. And then take the point ... I said the point nearest to you, nearest to you, that someone's on the sides are equal. So the one nearest to you, put it over, and then the one farthest from you, and put it over. Okay, then with the lap napkin you pick up this middle with your left fingers and slip your hands underneath and get this bottom side with your fingers.

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Then you put your left hand on the crease, the thumb on the crease, and fold that in. Fold it in, not out. What she uses in halves, it should be, the lab napkin should be ironed in thirds. And if you only have irons, it doesn't work this way. So anyway, figure something out. And then with the right hand, you just kind of fold it, right? And then you put your fingers in as a scissor in the middle, and then let it hang over. And then with your right hand, just push it up, and then put it on there. with the two corners, open corners. See, you shouldn't have to turn it around, right? So what you've done is you've folded it, right? And then, this right now, then you, now I'm, okay.

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Somehow I can't get it back where it was. Anyway, okay, like this. All right. This is going to be a great tape. Then you put it up there. Then you put your setsu bag up there with your utility bag, utility, you know. with the Setsu point facing you, and then if you have one of these, you put it on top. Then you take this wiping cloth and stretch it out. And you keep turning it around and stretching it out. So you got to stretch it. And then when you get to the end, watch how I do this. One, two. Okay? It's very simple. Use your fingers and a thumb.

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One. Two. Let's do it again. One. Then you slide your finger down. Two. Three. And so this is the opposite of the way you took it off. That's it, really. Got it. And then you put it halfway on. The upside. You put it over the upside. Halfway is here, right? So you put it on that side, and then you open it up. It's just like this. Dum, dum. I'll do it again. Because you're over there and I'm over here, it's hard to see. I understand that. So you put it halfway over and then bring the other half back.

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That's it. Yeah. Then you go like this. Then you pick up the corner with your left hand and put your left hand down. And bring the corner over. And then, I'm not going to tell you how to do this. You tie a half a bow. Anyway you know how. Half a bow. And this part of the bow is not sticking up. It's just going this way. You don't do a fancy knot like you were taught. Just like this. Just a simple bow. Half a bow. Like you tie your shoes? Only half a bow, not a full bow.

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This is a habit. I beg your pardon? This is a habit. I know it's a habit. Yeah. I know. I don't know what to do about that. Just do what I asked you to do now.

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