October 1972 talk, Serial No. 00339

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A boat, the boat he uses, he uses a sail, he takes the tiller, he pulls the boat along. Life itself, as I mentioned yesterday, entirely transparent, entirely transparent emancipation. It is like an empty cup, an empty cup. You can use a sail, you take the tiller, you pull the boat along, you can use any kind

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of things. You can pour the milk, you can pour the orange, you can pour the gruel, you can pour just water. The life itself is really like an empty cup. Then you can use anytime, anywhere, as you like. Yet the boat carries him and without the boat he is not there. Of course, that's up to you, it is up to you. Whatever kind of stuff you put into the empty cup. But there is an empty cup, that's why you can pour milk and orange as you like.

[02:01]

The orange, if there is not an empty cup, you can pour orange, milk, and just water. You cannot do anything, you cannot do anything without an empty cup. You cannot cross over the other shore, from this shore to the other shore, without a boat. That's why he said, yet the boat carries him. Empty cup, empty cup carries you, carries orange juice, milk, and water, whatever as you like. Yet the boat carries him and without the boat he is not there.

[03:05]

If you ignore the empty cup, your life doesn't exist. Life of the orange juice doesn't come into being. By writing in the boat, he makes it the boat. From this point, the empty cup is very important, like our jewels, very important. Empty cup is jewels for you. But jewel is not the jewel. If you don't use the jewel, jewel doesn't make sense. Even though empty cup is jewel for you, you have to use, you have to use it. Pouring the milk, or orange juice, or just water, whatever.

[04:14]

That's why Dogen says, by writing in the boat, he makes it, he makes it the boat. At any cost, if you have a jewel, everybody has a jewel, so-called empty cup, you have to use it, you have to use it. You must concentrate yourself to studying and penetrating this very time. A question is, question is that you have to concentrate yourself to study and penetrating

[05:34]

what you use, when you use empty cup. The moment when you pour the milk, you think immediately, oh milk, milk is my life. The moment when you pour the orange juice into the empty cup, you say, wow, it is very orange juice. But Dogen says, of course you can use anytime, or whatever, anywhere, you can pour. But at that time, you must concentrate yourself to studying and penetrating this very time,

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when you use, when you use. At this time, at this time, when you use, always the word of the boat, always the word of the boat, when you ride the boat, the boat occupies all over the world. When you pour the milk, empty cup occupies milk. Because when you pour, when you, what would you call it, spill out, not spill out. Pour out, pour out, pour into, what would you call?

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Overpour, spill over, spill, no. Anyway, when you make it empty again, okay, it's free. Pour out, pour out, yeah. Anytime you can pour the milk and orange juice as you like into the empty cup. But whatever you pour, okay, whenever you pour, the orange juice and milk and just water, always the word of empty cup. Because you can pour out, you can make it empty again. Then if you want, another grape juice you can pour.

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When you see, when you ride boat, you can see the very beautiful scene, trees and mountains, very beautiful. When you ride the airplane and then look down the mountain, look down the earth, very beautiful, but sea is very different, okay, between the two. When you ride the airplane, the airplane occupies all over the world. Mountains and trees are completely, are all absorbed into airplane. When you ride the boat, the trees, mountains and the skies, all are completely absorbed into the boat. That's why you are very enjoy riding boat. Ah, wow, how beautiful.

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When you ride the airplane, how beautiful. This is very different, I feel different from. That's why Dogen says, at this time, always the world of the boat, the heavens, the water, the shore, all becomes a boat's time and they are not the same as time which is not the boat. Okay, everything is empty world. Okay, the world of empty cup. Whatever you pour, milk, cup, milk and water, grill. It is for this reason that life is what I make to exist.

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Okay, and I is, I is what life makes me. That's why, that's why you can make your life, okay. That's why life is what I make, I make to exist. The moment when you pour the milk into the empty cup, it is your life. It is your life. So called milk. Provisionally, it is called milk life. The moment when you pour the orange into the empty cup, provisionally, it is called orange juice life. And I is, I is what life makes me.

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This life is what makes orange juice life, life, okay. Empty cup, empty cup makes orange juice life, life, okay. The moment when you pour the milk into the empty cup, empty cup make milk life, life, okay. Because milk and orange juice are completely absorbed into an empty cup. Anytime it is empty, okay. That's why anytime you can pour out and different juice you can pour. Anytime you can pour anything.

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Anything. That's why when you pour the milk, you can make a milk life. And then you have to take responsibility for milk life, okay. Nobody takes, nobody takes responsibility for milk life because you pour, okay. If you pour orange into the empty cup, you have to take responsibility for the orange juice life. But this orange juice life is also based on absorbed into the empty cup. It's, it is really great, great real reality which enables a man to feel relief, okay. Always empty cups. Orange juice, milk life, orange life, water life, jellyfish life, whatever you say.

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Are completely absorbed into empty cup. You can, you, so essence of life is empty, okay. Yesterday I mentioned essence of life is always pure, clean, undivided, nothing to stain, okay. That's why you can make your life anytime, anywhere as you like. If so, please take responsibility for your life. If you want to go to Zen center, yesterday I mentioned, anytime you can come. Then if you want to, if you don't want to stay here, please go out anytime. Now life is something like this. Our life is always free, okay. It's too empty.

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It is, life is really too empty to satisfy yourself, see. That's why my master says wherever you make, everything is same, okay. Everything is same. I don't like Zen center, then I will go out. And to say something and belongs to another religion and so on. Well, at last, what support, what are you supposed to do? You repeat same thing, okay. You want to, you want to pour the milk, orange juice, oh yes, you can pour. Because you're empty, empty cup. You can pour the milk, orange. If you don't want milk, pour out the orange juice and grape juice. After every activities, you have to take responsibility.

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Okay. And then next time, the next sentence is very important. In boarding the board, one's body and mind and the entire surrounding environment are all the boards. Dynamic walking, dynamic walking. Both entire earth and space are the board's dynamic walking. Dynamic walking. In other words, the dog, the original dog use kikan. Kikan means, literally meaning is a piece of machine which produce life and energy, okay. He use a word, kikan. Kikan is a piece of machine, okay, which produces constantly life and energy. Life and energy.

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So this translator translated the dynamic walking, dynamic. According to my word, empty cup, okay, empty cup. So in boarding the board, one's body and mind and the entire surrounding environment are all the board's dynamic walking. So what makes my life real life, real life? What is the very important point, okay, which we have to aim at? What is the core of life? What is the core of life which we have to aim at? That's why Dogen says, you have to use, you have to use empty cup, okay, empty cup.

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But this empty cup is not that which you have to use the empty cup as just conception, okay. You have to use the function, the dynamic walking of empty cup, okay, empty cup. Dogen says you try to use. The dynamic walking of empty cup. Dogen says, Dogen says, Ah, well you tell me anytime.

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A fish, a fish looks like a fish when a fish swims, okay. A bird looks like a bird when a bird flies. A huge expanse of the sky, not sky, space, penetrates heaven, penetrates heaven. Limpid water, limpid water penetrates, penetrates the bottom of the river. Okay, a fish looks like a fish when a fish swims in the water. Okay, looks like, looks like a fish.

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But real fish is, real fish is a fish which, who is swimming, okay, swimming. Right now, right here, this is real fish. Because this fish completely uses, uses dynamic walking of water itself, okay. The essence of life, so-called water. At that time, fish can swim in the water. In other words, fish can use fully the essence of water, which is empty, which is transparent. The moment when you look at the fish which is swimming, you try to explain, wow, this is fish, this is fish.

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Then you try to explain what this fish, swimming fish is to your friends. The fish, what you can see is not real fish. It looks like a fish, looks like a fish because it is explanation of fish. In other words, even though you can explain completely what this fish is like, all you can do is to infer, to infer the mind of fish, okay, the mind of fish. Not real fish. Real fish is fish which is swimming, okay, swimming. This is real fish. Because this fish uses a piece of machine which produces life and energy,

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which emerges from water or fish life itself, water's life itself, fish life itself. That's why Dogen says, the I that is living, the I that is living, the life that is I is just like this. Just like this. Next, Katagiri life. Real Katagiri life is no name, okay. Real Katagiri life is Katagiri life which is swimming, okay, swimming. Then when you, everybody can see Katagiri life which is swimming, okay. If there are ten people, ten people explain what Katagiri life is, which is who is swimming.

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Real Katagiri life is very nice, oh no, a little bit clumsy or a little bit foggy and fun. And someone says Katagiri life is wonderful, great, whatever you say. Whatever you say, you're always trying to say in the world of karmic life. That is karmic life. In other words, just explanation, explanation. So real Katagiri life is life which is swimming, okay, swimming. By using a piece of machine, okay, which produces life and energy, belonging to Katagiri life itself and circumstances around Katagiri life, okay.

[25:39]

And position which I have, okay, place, age, man. Using the, a piece of machine, okay, which produces life and energy belonging to ages and times and places, man, okay. So this is Katagiri life, real Katagiri life. But real Katagiri life doesn't ignore your explanation what Katagiri life is. All I have to, all real Katagiri life to do is just to accept. If you say Katagiri life a little bit foggy, yes sir, thank you. No complaints, no complaints. Because I have to take responsibility of Katagiri life, so-called orange juice, milk,

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because I pour by myself. But real Katagiri is anyway always swimming, okay, swimming. Always swimming. The woman's life, I'm sorry, you know, it doesn't matter. If you want, if a woman wants to know who woman is, woman has to swim, okay, vividly. Then man explains what woman is. But it is not real woman, okay. But woman always bites that the explanation, oh no, your explanation is not so good. Why don't you make your head calm and more try to understand me much better. But even though you say, real life, real woman, real understanding of woman is just swimming, okay.

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That's all. Because all you have to do is to use a piece of machine which produces life and energies. This machine belongs to the essence of life, so-called circumstances, so-called position sometimes, so-called Japanese, so-called American, okay. Whatever you say. Essence of life is always empty, cup. That's why it is dynamic working. A piece of machine is not the conception, okay. Conception, well, conception which produces life and energy. I don't think so. So from this point, only a woman alone knows so well what woman is.

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That's why if you read the Lotus Sutra, Buddha says, only Buddha knows what Buddha is, okay. Yes, that's right. This is right, this is right. That is real freedom, okay. The majority of the people don't know what freedom is. So woman, so Katagiri has to know, okay, who Katagiri is. Of course, according to my curiosity, I want you to understand who Katagiri is. That's why sometimes I explain I was born in Japan. What part of Japan are you born?

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Yes, Osaka. What is Osaka? I have to explain. I want you, I want you to understand who I am. But that's enough. It's not necessary bite, you know, bite. But if you don't understand who Katagiri is, my curiosity want to bite. What's the matter? That's woman's sleep. Then a couple of... So, the others don't know who Katagiri is. Unknown Katagiri, unknown portion of Katagiri's life. Make me free, okay, make me free. This is freedom. Unknowns, the unknowns make me free.

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Unknowns of woman's life make you free, okay, free. Don't bite, don't bite. At that time, most of people are give up the life, you know. Because you don't know exactly. Sometimes by fighting and you give up your life. But don't give up your life halfway through. Even though others don't know exactly who you are. Don't give up. You have to know who you are by yourself through and through, okay, through and through. To know who you are by yourself through and through is to use, okay, a piece of machine which produces life under energies.

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Whenever or wherever it is, it exists, okay. . [...] Then Dogen says, explaining about this, a piece of machine, what is this piece of machine, okay, which produces dynamic life or energies. He says, this, anyway, this translation is,

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this dynamic working readily brings about life and readily brings about death. At the very time this dynamic working is thus realized, it is not necessarily large, it is not necessarily small. It is not limitless, it is not limited. Okay. This is free, okay. This is freedom. So this dynamic working exists everywhere in your life, okay. You can't explain. It is big or it is small. . There is no words, there is no explanation.

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All you have to do is just to use this dynamic working. It is not long or far, short or near. Once present life exists within this dynamic working, this dynamic working exists within this present life. So from this point, what is life? So simply speaking, life is dynamic working, okay. In other words, Buddha is dynamic working. If I say so, you ask me, like a monk, which occurs in history. A monk cuts the earthworm into two, okay. They ask the Zen master, which of two has the Buddha nature?

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Zen master says, don't fool yourself, don't fool yourself. But he doesn't understand. Because Zen master says, life is Buddha is always working, vividly. Life is Buddha is working. Buddha is not conception, you know. Conception created by human knowledge. Buddha is always working. Then monk says, look. Both pieces of earthworm are moving. According to this monk, moving is Buddha nature. But this moving is already conception, created by him. It's not Buddha. It's not Buddha. It's not your real life.

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Moving is within you. Not here. But I'm sorry, it takes time. Maybe it takes time. Okay. This is dynamic working. Dynamic working is your life. Dynamic working is completely beyond explanation. All you have to do is just swim, okay. Just swim. And then, each verse just infers friend's mind.

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But don't worry about it. Even though the other's understanding doesn't reach the core of your life, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Because you are free. You are free. Your life is dynamic working. Other's life is dynamic working. Dynamic working is completely beyond, okay. Attempt to reach towards this core of life with interest.

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