No Abode Dharma Talk - April 3, 2021

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A virtual Dharma talk by Tenshin Roshi for an online gathering of the No Abode community

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thank you thank you are welcome great assembly to
no abode

what comes up today
yes
the lotus sutra

i noticed the lotus sutra
and how it relates to what we call sometimes zen practice

lot of such as a teaching which many of you've already heard called adult the teaching of one vehicle
it is sometimes phrased as
all beings
our
included and participating in one vehicle the one buddha vehicle

the whole universe is the one buddha vehicle and every
phenomena everything every person every action every thought every experience of every living being is the one vehicle that's what the one vehicle is it is whatever experience we have
is the buddha vehicle

so this teaching is
profoundly and radically tolerant
of all ways
of always of philosophy always of religion all ways of experiencing

and
the lotus sutra also says
encourages and says that it is necessary
that we bring up this teaching of the one vehicle

everything may be seen in all you can meditate
in such a way that everything you see everything you hear everything you feel everything you think every action you make
food as an aspect of the one vehicle
you can contemplate the teaching that everything is an aspect of the one buddha vehicle
and it is necessary

that the teacher
that this this particular teaching that everything is the one vehicle that this teaching be brought up
be upheld be expressed

period and it would also be good if we expressed it in all of our actions
so this one vehicle teaching is an opportunity for meditation yes and it
helps us be tolerant of all beings and all things
yes
but the hard part for people is that the lotus sutra says
in order for the one vehicle dharma to be actually so
to be realized
we must practice it
we must not only contemplate the teaching
but we must understand that we are taking care of this teaching
and we're taking care of it so that other people who have not yet been able to first of all hear it second of all meditate on it and contemplated
and third of all that they too would see the necessity for them to uphold it and remember it and transmitted
so in that sense the lotus sutra is a proselytizing
teaching
everybody's included nobody's excluded and
this teaching must be propagated
otherwise it will not be realized
because although all things may be contemplated
and may be
meditated upon as the one buddha vehicle
that doesn't mean that they are the one would have vehicle
and also that they aren't
really things aren't really
really everything is all things are not
or are not not
the buddha vehicle
however that all things are the buddha vehicle and are not the buddha vehicle and included in the buddha vehicle all that is realized by upholding this practice
and that part people have a lot of problems with with this apparent proselytizing aspect of them
lotus sutra so i say over and over you have heard me say i pray that the great assembly remember
dullness and silence
i pray that the great assembly
receive stillness and silence i pray that it practice stillness and silence
and i pray that you transmit the stillness and silence and now today i say
i pray that you listen to me when i tell you
it is necessary to transmit distract this teaching of stillness and silence otherwise it will not be actualized
and the same with the teaching of one vehicle
so it is both very tolerant and open and non-sectarian and this non-sectarian aspect must be upheld which sounds sectarian
i think it was yesterday at i mentioned to a group of dharmas successors that in omagh when i write in my when i say my name the a computer tension it writes out t e n
s i o n
and i mentioned to them that you can't get the tension out attention
this teaching has tension in it
no pun intended

and you don't have to uphold attention but you do have to uphold the teaching in order for the teaching to be actualized in the realm of insubstantial city of emptiness
of the ambiguity of all things
being the one vehicle
i should say in the ambiguity of things not being the one vehicle or not being one vehicle
and the way the lotus sutra put the sutra puts it ah
really is difficult for people we have another thing we say frequently which i haven't heard so much difficulty which is the way
is perfect and all pervading
now what way is that it's the way of the one vehicle is perfect and all pervading
the dharma of one vehicle
is free and untrammeled
what need is there to practice
and yet if there's the slightest discrepancy
it's not realized that be
if we do something and do not make that action the upholding of this dharma it's as though it's not been realized

even though there's no way to get away from it
it's unavoidable and necessary to uphold
so when we the when we sit in meditation in in zen
we are upholding we are expressing
this one vehicle
and we must uphold it and express it otherwise it will not live it's full life in this world it requires us to uphold him
we must it is necessary
and it is pivotal
because us hope up us hop holding it is others upholding it when we uphold it that is other people upholding it
and you can say well what about other people upholding it is that we upholding it yes delicious but they must so that we will and we must so they do

so again this is a attempt to find a middle path a middle way through the apparent duality of being very tolerant and open to all ways and also
so emphasizing that this way be upheld the way that includes always
needs to be upheld and we have the opportunity to uphold it to make our practice of sitting walking standing speaking thinking whatever we're doing if we uphold this dharma than what we're upholding is that dharma
if we uphold this dharma even if we're discussing with somebody how much a car cost or talking about politics or doing other discussions at work whatever we do will be speaking this one buddha vehicle
if we uphold the one got everything we do will uphold the one vehicle

be

okay that's a a little offering to the great assembly
and
you're welcome to come forth and offer your expression of
the one vehicle
the one buddha vehicle

tracy

the t choices
thank you for the teaching tensions on what
you hear me okay on what on a scroll behind you coward
yeah that that well this one here is who he to suzuki roshi his calligraphy of taking refuge and buddha get treatment
and this one here is ah
ha ha dogan dai show
dropping off know
ah
dropping our body and mind no shopping i thought in your mind okay l go
you you're welcome
you said that for the teaching of the lotus sutra to be actualized realized
it must be propagated proselytized album held it must be taught taught yes and that language you'd say language of words but for some that's a problem that those words might get the way so
as you were saying that i was just thinking that
might it more neutrally be stated as
shared
but shared specifically through stillness and silence
i'm sure it is fine
late
that's what we bring to
our interactions to this is how we want to be
yeah and the lotus sutra is south telling us to hear
i say i need you to share this
what others say that yeah it doesn't just say she sharing good it's yes needed if i need you to share that that maybe if one of the distinguishing qualities of the lotus sutra cause quite specifically that say in joining us
to actively
consciously as it were
share
thank you yeah i've i've taken i've taken up the lotus sutra with the perp her last last fall's practice period it's it's still going
thank you so much nicer see you she knew
hem
rhyming know so i had a question that and i was gonna bring up even before i heard you talking today and it's it's it's close to the proselytizing alamat button not quite so as reading a chapter three last night and it
it was talking about i if you slander the sutra or don't uphold at that basically you you'll go to hell and have like many reports am in a wretched condition for a long time
and i was wondering how does that so when you talk today about it being inclusive including everything so he is that not only if you slander the suture but if you if you read any other sutras or read anything that's not buddhism you're gonna go to hell
so i was how is hoping you could help me understand that the context of that with the is this just an attention grabber to say this is really important you need to practice it is it just saying if you don't practice you know you're gonna go to hell but it was there is really up there was they used the word
punish rarely punished if you slander or a don't uphold this or read any other sutures and insight i wanted to understand that better
i'm
i think it doesn't say read any other surgeries i don't think maybe it does i think it said i think it encourages us to read other sutures other mahayana sutras
and also on i say
if you are
reading something like something else i don't know what comic books ah magazines
new york times
she watching tv
whatever you if you're if you're mine is holding this whole appalling is teaching you are upholding the lotus sutra
if you practice zazen as we say when you're doing those things your upholding zazen
your upholding the one border vehicle
so that i like that makes sense to me say you are more why so your i guess your question is why does it threaten yeah
well
is it threatening harmer as it is telling us what will happen
that's what i was wondering is it just like if we're not thing obviously we're gonna be suffering and and kinds of hell you don't do your job
of receiving this teaching remembering and and transmitting it it's gonna be like that's about as bad as it gets that's the main problem is you can read it that way
but again why you're reading it that way and also why you're reading at the other way any other way like this is stupid this is cruel this is whatever whatever way you're reading it is an opportunity
because whatever way you're reading it is the one would a vehicle if you think the lotus sutra is terrible
and you slander it while you're slandering it
if you uphold the one buddha vehicle
it is realized while you're slandering and perhaps going into some state of punishment
if you're experiencing punishment this this teaching is for you at that moment and this teaching also tells you what will happen if you don't practice teaching
bouquet unit should the lotus sutra not mention what will happen if we do not let go of worldly affairs should it not mention it well somebody might say i shouldn't have mentioned it shouldn't told us
and i had the experience with people who i see heading into really difficult situations horrible situations should i tell them
and i in some cases have not because they didn't ask me
and sometimes i feel like i should have told them that they're heading for hell because they i saw them and i they weren't asking me and i didn't think they would listen to me and i thought it might even cause harm if i mentioned it to them like i'm cursing them
so i like the lotus sutra is in a sense cursing people who slander the lotus sutra
not in hundred and a half and it mentions that does it say what will happen to people who are cruel and disrespectful of other beings yes it does it didn't know i haven't read that far yet
but that's something people say okay but still even if you tell people if you're cruel to people you will go to help some people don't like that either should the lotus you to warn us or not and should have worn as emphatically some people say i wish it didn't
and i high sometimes have not worn people and then they did go into a state of hell and death
just as i thought they might
and then based on that experience i've tried harder to find a way to tell people when i see them heading in the wrong direction
i feel ok when somebody's about to drive off the road to reach over and help them with the steering wheel but in some other ways i high
yeah it's like you don't want to predict someone's demise were even though you see it but the lotus sutra does predicted demise of people who turn away from the great vehicle from the one vehicle
and not to mention turning away ways a big problem but slandering it
so yes any people in this assembly have problems with this teaching
with this teaching from the lotus sutra of what will happen if you do not do this practice if you know
if you and even if you actively fight it however it also says the people
the people who are slandering it are included in the one vehicle
as they go to hell going to hell is included in the one vehicle
and the one vehicle pervades people on their way to hell and people inhale
the lotus sutra leads to this kind of discussion
of getting down into the worst possible situations and find a way to practice their
finding a way to respect your own situation if you're there and other people who are in that situation
can i ask you another question
is it okay if she asked another question
people are nodding okay
ah so what i want to do is up home the one vehicle and i understand both everything that i do is upholding it and yet it's not but
but when i was so what i think of when what like the i think that i think maybe when we are included in the one vehicle
right were included
and everything we do that one vehicle says can be seen as the one vehicle but if we don't actually say i'm going to uphold it we don't uphold him if we don't say my effort here is to uphold his teaching in that sense it's not realized so i
yeah that's the subtle point
so i am i uphold them nearby practicing the precepts by actually the power meters by sitting that's upholding it best price that's realizing it
that of opposite and but holding it realizes it yeah okay i thank you very much warm welcome
very or kim

you have different meal

i wanted to share that when you first started calling everybody's name and there're may be one hundred and twenty five names that my judgmental self was sort of making many judgments of every person in my mind was wandering and i've begun to understand
how wonderful this the smoothness this moment of recognizing everybody is in its i'm truly allowed me to to really begin a conversation with every person here so thank you for that you're welcome
we could you know we could have these meetings and stop right after we recognize each other
everything i'm saying is just coming out of this our relationship really
that we include each other and also we're judging each other

jim

oh am i being heard
oh and seen yeah i'm one of the things i love about our tradition is the playfulness in the mando and in the columns and during a lotus sutra
i'm near the end i was silly can asked if you would be willing to be converted
and you said i i'm willing to be involved in turning with you which i immediately so i like that much better
oh
and here and to build their nose and centers i tend to hang out with christian clergy
and
i have felt from the very beginning of knowing about zen shouting the truth of zen from the rooftops
i am
and with my friends my dear friends who have deep deep commitment to god and their tradition
i'm always trying to sell the person apparently to
but but not objectively much just by the silly way that i am with them and i i wish for them to
know the truth that we all know in this practice
i know they're not going to become buddhists
and saw i i just find it
interesting
and also difficult
on how to propagate this how to how to share this and away
for someone who's not going to convert to buddhism
i did the other thing i just wanna say as i mentioned since i first met you i thought you and i would save the world together
oh
and
hum
i still feel that the truth of religion is what saves the world so just this this this thing about that you're bringing up today about propagation sharing
you how to do that or how does that work by including all traditions within the one vehicle
and having the truth of the president per liter the be no
i think the teaching of the project upon meeting up
he's pointing to
way it's possible
he converted
because we're not this way or otherwise
we can be this way and otherwise
and so if i was with christians for me to be to turn from being this way to being otherwise for example to be a christian if i could be turned to a crisp turn into a christian that would be demonstrating what is possible because of prajna upon me
a
but turning into a christian doesn't mean i stop there than i would turn into something else maybe maybe into a buddhist temporarily and then maybe into a taoist
can be to be turned and to turn the lotus sutra
it yeah and the project part the the teaching of the project pardon me to is because we're not this or that really we can be this or that to demonstrate that we're not just of that
when we demonstrate that were not this or that by being this in that and showing how with we have thoroughly pivot from this to that to this to that we are demonstrating and upholding
the prisoner power meter
so i'm really glad that you have lots of christian friends
and the way that i'd do i'd actually like i'm doing which you're describing
courageous ways and
they really like they really like hanging out with me
but the but they don't but i did there is no moral focusing on on the fun they haven't been with maybe
the recognizing the principle that i'm sharing maybe that may be actually what they're enjoying is the principal not you
they are but they identify it with mean that's okay for now
i'm in other ones are not running to the library to get enough credit upon me to text needs okay just you just keep ah upholding the principle which happens to be you don't upholding it and they were and and when you do that
they are being they are that's how they're upholding it but you know
and they do not have to go to the library
but you might have to because that's a kind of guy you are
while thank you for that when they just one other thing but you were gonna say something
i'm
just like a practical worldly level i've had the spot you know what bernie sanders and free college education one of the greatest things would be like three years of service
good with military service social service and when i think of that i think of
zan trained been integrated into that i just i just do get this wish for others
the in a practical level i i never see i don't see it happening the way i would like to in my life
it may not happen the way you would like it however if you practice it that's how is integrated
but you may not it may not look the way you'd like a to this realization that comes from you practicing may not look the way you'd like it too
to this teaching saying it is happening and if you practice it it is realized but not the way you would like necessarily probably not what i'm beginning to surrender to which are offered thank you welcome
i didn't take very long only twenty five years
thirty thirty seven thirty seven years that one so long
i'm a you

i am
i've been thinking about how
in these times are almost literally embedding through with it
hair on physician
from his children rank poison and then refuse to take the medicine
this morning
our saga here in san antonio we sat and afterwards how to practice discussion and one of our members talked about a struggle they were having with their mother his mother had taken the first shot of the cargo bay
vaccine
but was so afraid i'm taking the second shot she was refusing to take it and
nrama
and
i know
other people who are struggling with this as well and i read about it and it seems like are all
society is caught up in this parable
ah
some of us willing to take the medicine and some of this not
and some of us wanting to convince the ones that don't want to take the medicine to please take it
ryan my struggle with that
i am i feel like that
hundred time or teaching rack and are the lotus sutra night and addresses it but i'm not quite sure how we can run like the physician in our to it seems like gazprom you really can't force somebody to take the medicine
well hidden was in night
he didn't force to people to take it
he left and he used a skillful device so that night in this particular case he used a skillful device so that they would grieve and in their grieving they became sober
they recovered from their intoxication because of their grieving from the skillful means he offered them
so we need to offer people
some skillful device to help them recover from their intoxication cause if we try to force someone who's intoxicated
that's not gonna work
but we can help them
wake up from there and recover from their intoxication then they will be able to
in just the teaching
so we cannot force but we can offer gifts skillful gifts
and we are only give a gift we offer it without expecting any result
cause i just make that just usually aggravates the addiction
the intoxication

thank you do
oh man
morning everybody monday everybody
ah
what i'm contemplating on his
does this mind that we're talking as which we call it poodle way
or life or the river that were in all all of all of the experiences all of our life experiences
does this mind actually
has the capacity
of letting go of its own step
or guess as playing and spinning around and doesn't have the capacity so it creates more ideas and more groups and more religions and more understanding but it really actually can never understand its own
okay so this mind it you could say you say does it have the capacity this mind is the capacity not to hold onto itself
okay if it is the capacity why all for all of these years why we have created more split more fight more separation if it has a capacity why is it not play why is it
not near a live living that capacity is
yes this you described is this some is going round and round right
that's our limited world and that world and in the fullness of samsara
that's exactly the fullness of nirvana
and freedom
in the cycling of of holding on and
and being stuck and suffering in the fullness of that there is meeting
freedom from that okay why is this meeting recurring why is that meetings can see why is not that meeting
all why is it meeting meeting not meeting meeting not meeting why is why is this
still still it's not meeting its it's like playing its pivot
why do we have this nature i don't know but our nature is that samsara and nirvana or not the least bit separate
why why is why is bondage and freedom why are they not separate i don't know but we have bondage and it's a big problem we have attachment we have greed hate and delusion and they're spinning around we've got that and but
in the fullness in the extreme expression at the full expression of are some syrah right there is freedom freedoms right there
and the fullness of freedom is to be right there with some sour
but for now let's try to fully inhabit our limited world
let's be limited and hung up and stressed out
flowy
and this teaching is partly that this samsara is no separate from nirvana but this teaching is also to you to use this teaching to fully inhabit
the world of birth and death the world of attachment to fully inhabit because at the limit of that world is where nirvana is meeting us
thank you thank you so so that makes sense is that ah
at this this mind and body the here ness the humanness of this mind and body is to inhabit the limitations totally they inhabit the inhabitant of limitations
i love that i loved that because just just the fact of inhabiting delimitation makes me not want to go anywhere else but just ah yeah yeah yeah thank thank thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you think i got

just nail
and know
trying to
express their one vehicle i sometimes
use the word respect when talking to other people
about respecting
other people in other beings
and
for me the word respect is barry
deep and inspiring
ah about the pass but sometimes when i speak to people
there is this obstacle of respect can be admiration for someone's skill and so on
he respect to her eminent scholar and something stinks like that
and
that's not my understanding respect but i'm
wondering if there's some other
how do you
how to deal with his obstacle in communication
i have a similar view deer and
someone said to me just a few days ago i hope you know that i really respect you
and i said well actually i'm not i should i don't know that
i said i really feel and sense that you really appreciate me
that i that i can see but respect i'm not so sure about
i remember one of my up for surprises from suzuki roshi was i think at a wedding ceremony where he said to the couple loving each other is wonderful or something or are really important but he said respect is more important
and so for me but i i remembered the etymology of respect his re spectres
to look to again look so if you go and you meet the buddha the buddha looks really good
think wow what a gorgeous buddha
you appreciate the buddha but respecting the booty is you look at the boot and say that buddha looks good i wonder what that book i wonder what that buddha is
who is that masked man
what is that buddha buddha want you to ask questions who are you buddha what is your teaching what can i do for you today how am i doing am i your student
this is like
respect includes look again it doesn't mean you push away your first impression are you second impression it means you keep looking again you keep inquiring that's respect
you don't attach to the teaching you respect it
an iraq is not about accomplishment or credentials or anything these snakes it's not about coffee but if if accomplishments there you can respect accomplishment by questioning it
by studying and discovering what it really is by respect
but there's a place for appreciation to we do feel that sometimes
that's fine
you know when i don't make ourselves appreciate i would say appreciation is more like is it just a gift
but somehow respect is more like a practice and it's kind of hard especially when we see something that we don't appreciate or do appreciate
one way i thought oh good
speaking to people would be if they asked me well how can you spare
someone
and the first thought was well not killing that would be a star
yeah
let's let's look again at killing this person shelf
i have this feel i'm kelly is person less respect that and look at that again
yeah so respect does not mean you like it and being generous does not mean you'd like it
welcoming does not mean you like it so usually we first of all we kind of have to start with being generous and then study then investigate
receive receive like receive stillness receive silence and then respect it
in other words remember it her mother words study and practice it
but you may not have some people mac the may not like some people don't like silence and stillness but i pray that they accepted it anyway and that they remember it and and respect him
except remember respect yeah whether you like it or not
so maybe yeah i don't pray that she gets that you you get sick
but i do pray that you received silence and stillness and that your respected
thank you thank you

good morning good morning thank you how what you just said to jail that was really helpful
oh i had a question about something else though earn a kind of relate to what gym was packed ending his name was jim
it was talking about arm
in talking about the lotus sutra earlier you said transmitting the dharma teaching the dharma manifesting the dharma and i i was curious about you used the word transmission quoted there ever wonder kind of if you could explain a little more about what you mean by her
and i'm part of the fought in the question is that it seems to mirror teaching have some element of intentionality to it were transmission is almost in my mind it's almost like more and a contagious thing
oh like are like about it's transmitted like a virus or just you know we breathe it out and somebody else freezer the an with it's it's war over there
yeah as as an important points so when you sit
ah when you said in reality there are transmitting sitting
you're sitting he is transmitted to others however there is a necessity for huge uphold that you're sitting transmits to others so when i sit in the zendo i transmit sittings and others but also i have the responsibility
remember
and intend that this setting is for others
and i'm upholding this for others this is called the buddhist seal my sitting is sealed with other people
and i remember that are good view it's not just me sitting is me sitting for others with others and as others
and i somebody needs to remember that teaching that buddha mind seal
so there is intentionality and at or you could say it's uniting our intention with this project of transmission of the dharma
in both directions
where do you mean in both directions others are transmitting the practice to me
i'm receiving it
i'm receiving it i'm remembering it i'm inspecting it i'm respecting it i'm practicing it and that all that is transmitting it but i remember the transmission so i'm receiving it but i also transmitting receiving and transmitting
one of our somebody's calls receiving and transmitting some on to recently and employ to receive and give away to receive and transmit
not just transmit transmit or receive data
map
so he's a two way aspect to transmission and both sides of the have some intentionality or remembrance if you're living bit a living beings have consciousness and consciousness has in the structure of the consciousness is intentionality
you're welcome

i'm sorry the lighting is not very good i am too
my mother was yes being cared for beautifully by my
aunt and cousin on a forty acre farm in kansas
i'm i'm psyched my gratitude for that to them is enormous
however
their members of a very ultra conservative catholic sect on that is foundational and important to them and and there you know putting my mother you know they've just had her confirmed in that
i'm so i've had
you know actually what arises for me partly just out of gratitude for everything they've done for her yes shoop and and also because i come from a line a catholic lineage my mother my grandmother my great grandmother my great
great grandmother they all were catholics so in some sense i feel aware of this line that i was born into and i i actually like the idea of taking the sacraments with them
as a way of joining with them but i would be doing it in the spirit in the same spirit that i would bow in the sandow or sit in the zondo it would be like that for me
and they wouldn't understand that and and i'm i'm just the question arises would i be deceiving them in some way because they might assume that i'm going to become like them and that's probably not gonna be happening left my question at away
yea
us
oh
i feel like your question is related to making your relationship with them truly harmonious yes
yes yeah so and to fixate on one side of the possibility of you should be you should tell them
what would how you experience it or you shouldn't tell them because they might not understand where has also should be investigated
what i think it is possible to have really deep harmonious peace with people who practice in different ways from us in this teaching is for the sake of that
so that know some people are not like you they know where they wouldn't feel comfortable participating in the sacraments and you do but you have your own way right it would be no different really from bowing in the sandow you have your own way in the zendo and maybe some people
disanto don't know the way you bow on the zendo should you tell them you have a different way of understanding where you bound as end of the major it's the same question really
the interesting is that question didn't occur to me
i don't seem to have that question bowing in this hendo there's an ease and a ah an assumption that
there isn't a question or human el ninos okay with people that you have a unique way of practicing zen
i feel that there's a field of openness know there that is not there in the other setting and you may feel the other setting there's not openness right response to heaven a certain way so this teaching is different from that is teaching is saying that the one teaching
is to not adhere to a fixed way of doing ritual
as a teaching of this tradition we have rituals and the teaching is do not adhered to the rituals and that that's the point of the rituals is to perform them without without adhering to them
and that feels possible to do whether it's the zondo or the catholic yeah duke even in a very extreme work and the catholic church and that's that's the we're trying to encourage is for people to for buddhists
this to learn how to do there's rituals without hearing and also for buddhist to in the process of not adhering to their rituals to participate with catholic ritual to to transmit to catholics how to do their ritual without adhering to it because if they do their rituals without adhering to him that will bring peace to the work
world
he's a gary actually it's scary to think of going into that setting and scariness is a ritual to call the ritual of fear and scariness
one that ritual or fear of that awesome fear frightening ritual without adhering to it that transmits peace and harmony
i would like to do that and i don't want to see them into thinking that i'm going to become like them
i'm and i i wouldn't want not want to them to misunderstand but it i don't know how to hear work with that you tell them that you're not going to be like them they still might be deceived into thinking that you're gonna be like them if you tell them that you are like them they might think
you're not like us you're not deceiving people if your knife you're being honest with yourself
and if and if you want to find out you can ask him what you think i'm doing here how do you want you how do you think i'm doing these rituals you think i'm really a secret zen student doing what he thinks going on
the dialogue with them that is another vehicle for transmission but you know
no matter what to do people can misunderstand you
but the thing is are you being honest with yourself and that's something to watch something to investigate i
it feels site
i would like to have that kind of freedom and be able to join with them in the ways that is possible for me to join with them without getting lost in their stuff you know again it might be good to get lost in their stuff as long as you don't adhere to getting lost in
their stuff
yeah you can transmit freedom when you're last hello my name would mean yes what i'm lost
i'm a loss i'm a lost soul miss the old welcome la soul and then you can show how to be a lost soul that isn't adhering to being a lost soul
i used to try to avoid getting lost when i came to visit you but now i come to visit you and i immediately get lost as and and when i leave you i don't know not lost anymore
there are not isn't that and i'm not going go there luckily but i'm not attached to not being lost when i'm with patrick i'm not lost but i'm not attached to them
and i'm with you i get lost but i'm happy to come and be lost with you
now feels loving is loving and as peacemaking piece realizing
and also it would just be something that would be very meaningful for them for me to participate in the sacraments
and that that would also be loving
and maybe they would even not be attached to the meaningfulness of it
from that what i doubt that he could be wrong doubted but that's like doubting the one vehicle they are on the path they are going to realize this may be down today but the way they don't today is their way on the one vehicle
they are in the process of realizing liberation
together with all of us
thank you welcome thank you
we'll see
no
hello

i'm sorry
welcome lindsay
long time there's no no
so i have a question about
curiosity well
with curiosity eat there's joy
who for example just observing you know in nature is seen and been curious and kind of taking it and right
but i find that that then there's also curiosity of wanting to know why in a wise and life like this why is it though i'm
i sometimes find them yeah i read theirs
i guess these shades of curiosity and i'm not really sure that i feel that
sometimes the intellectual curiosity
takes away the joy
the joy part of curiosity yeah if you're curious
and you also want to know what you're curious about that wanting to know is it is possible recall call pitfall near the curiosity
curiosity should be turned on the wanting to know something to
if you if the curiosity gets infected by the wanting to know then the curiosity is not curiosity is order to filed curiosity pure curiosity is not trying to get anything which is wondering and looking in this is awesome is it's in all and yet it in it
it's interesting though curiosity is similar to respect
but to respect somebody to get something
that's it that's another issue and then the respect should be turned towards the trying to get something and the curiosity if it comes up with training get to know what you're curious about that better would actually be respected to and what's that about and a oh i see yes i am that way however
now that i'm curious about that it's not now the joy is back
this is the real curiosity is to be applied to what i'm looking at and any kind of and other agenda around there should also be offered curiosity
hawkins

jeffrey

i read i everybody know
king
oh i was wondering if you would be so cotton death to talk a little bit about the word via cup because i keep seeing chariots rather he heard a like literal or clown cars and it's about also boats
ships out yet those work so when you speak about rocketship
how about a backpack or what the a little baby something to carry babies and yeah out of vehicles were on the struck we are upheld by something we're not walking alone there's the our our body is a vehicle
to vehicle for the for the universe
okay and we're all on this one buddha body of the universe realizing it said
thank you
it will give me something but
vehicle is medium medium
this is the and or the either afar
or container yeah

questions were good
linda
the couldn't i have retired india
isn't this linda
it seems to be this linda okay
oh
good morning everyone
the ah i realized that the word proselytize
hey it's it a job
i associated with violence actually with the kind of pressure and crushing and
ah however when i think of last week's talk that peter and jane gave at a green gulch
ah peter for those of you who weren't there peter shadow was talking about suzuki roshi his relationship with mrs ransom his english teacher and this turning that happened where she went from you know using the buddha's murderous ashtray
air and putting her shoes on the altar and token noma to it was pressed i suppose you could say it was suzuki roshi was proselytizing by just
caring for the buddha showing her a different way with gentleness and it wasn't violent at all
from the story and she completely turned she didn't have to defend against somebody proselytizing it came out of friendship and affection and loving kindness and skill so i i think there's i don't know about
this firsthand but that there's lotus sutra
schools are sex that take this teaching that we're bringing up today
to a degree that
ah
what that admits more weapon dives through something perhaps and i just feel it
and are not risky as the word i think we have to be very
really careful around this but the suzuki roshi his way i feel like that
i don't feel there's a problem with that
ah how he
turned around like converted right isn't that what that word means a turning
ah mrs ransom so any
i'm in the thoughts on man
we're bringing out another aspect
so i'm
the violence in the process of transmission comes when one or more parties in the transmission think their view is better than somebody else's at violence violence so if when jessica
she took the shoes that were placed next to the buddhist statue and placed them some rooms when he did that if he thought that he was better that buddhism was better than what mrs ransom was doing that would have been violent
and some of us may feel like he didn't think that way
when he came to america when he showed us like same thing was shoes in america i hitched was one went to the agenda where to put our shoes
you know and to lie in them up
lined up you sometimes we go out and line them up
maybe we felt that he didn't think he was better than us
or maybe he didn't maybe he didn't even think that the lined up shoes were better than the messages
he was converting us to take care of our shoots and be careful of our feet
to respect everything
but maybe we felt like if we no matter what he respected us
and if we respect people in the process of transmission
it's not a is not violent
but it is possible in propagating teachings
to look down on those who have not received the teaching or looked down on those who don't want to receive the teacher
and that's the violent park and you and
you appreciate the way suzuki roshi taught but i think he was also endangered
all the time just like we are in danger all the time of becoming self righteous
and you know that phrase of of his what we're doing is far too important to be taken seriously
or you can change it easier saying he would be what we're doing is far too important to be taken too seriously
so he was when we met him in the later part of his life
he can very much cared about what he was offering us and he loved offer us things
but yeah we didn't i don't feel we didn't feel that he slipped into self righteousness when he showed me how to carry stick how to walk when i was in the zendo when he showed me these things i never felt that he was self righteous maybe he was but i think if you look at the youngest
security
the sometimes and admits that he slipped into self righteousness we got the mature version
even the mature version could possibly still sometimes slip into and send is little better than something else so that the danger of slipping into grasping our practice you know is always present so we had to be mindful not to grasp on
our wonderful practice and he was really seems a very good and not grasping at and
maybe the best thing about not grasping and is if you can give it more fully and more skillfully
that's very important tip is propagation is not self righteous
and our commitment to nonviolence is not a self righteous commitment and self righteousness is a kind of violence
and you can take a very good thing like nonviolence and bring self righteous and silver to and it turns into violence it came
he'll keep mean we got the mature suzuki roshi for lucky
last yeah

iran or combine everyone
so what
as i listened to the discussion what strikes me was that you're trying to find to that which is really an indescribable that you're doing a great job it's amazing how you helping people see what is really hard to describe
unless we get there and see it and ourselves and then the phrase that he used inhabitant inhabiting fully the our lives are limits of our lives as really with grab my attention today
and also the turning the idea of turning at because when from one that my observation the turning happens in moments when
i i found a stillness a still point in some kind of a squabble struggle or
roughing with life and that's still point
is amazing it's just think there's a complete turning of the situation and lot of times it is they
the still point and suddenly the whole case dropped the argument had dropped the whatever was going on it turned
and so i was looking as i listened i was thinking what whether the ingredients that gets me to that point because this is the aim of practice to find that point more often than not
and for me it i see that it is
humility kind of recognizing that i don't know and removing myself say it's almost like a place where i find myself non-existing like i drop away the body and mind drops away and then just me that there's just nothing in the ages
drop all the agenda or that this or that trying on negotiating everything is stops a full stuff and then that thing happens but why is it i miss sometimes to the that moment and and then there's more of
the old stuff and it is because
i like faith i guess that's the way the faith comes in of
having faith that it's gonna be even this needs to be let go and dropped and it's not really conscious that it happens somewhat somewhat by intention
i say something
i'm so i'm going back to the beginning
i'm
to fully inhabit our limits at the fallen into remembering silence and stillness helps us fully inhabit fully accept our limits and fully accept humility
and when we fully accept our limits at that moment we are silent and still
and in that moment of silence and stillness with our limits it isn't that are limits turn into the unlimited
it's just that the unlimited is right there and it's realized and we we don't turn the limited into the unlimited but we realize the limited and unlimited are turning on each other at that point and humility and respect
and kindness help us
fully inhabit our limits right exactly yeah and actually as i was listening to this and i for work today saturday and the struggle some of the people helpful asked about this question is inviting the symbology of jesus dying on the cross to me it was just for
fully inhabit the cross is the moment of fully inhabiting my limits in that various p painful situation whenever it is fully inhabiting and they're not that is this three day wait to me is that stillness that entering that with courage and faith and trust in
to they're fully inhabiting and waiting and and and it's not a conscious waiting it's something and there's as piece of music called stabat mater which is translated english could be mother stood so mary stood there
they're silent and still with her suffering son and she taught him
one
but what did you say she let him a foods are beyond the cross but a be there are completely right and with violent and smell so that he could be silent in school
with this painful life yes
far news
i read by everyone thank you so much
am i was actually going to ask about silence and stillness to so a little bit i feel like i just heard some but my question was more general about you know i'm i would love to hear more about because when you talk about silence and stillness you really am
for my view light up you know you at when you talk about you crave for others to experience silence and stillness
i feel i feel like your intimacy and joy about it and i guess i would just be curious to hear more about your love of stillness and silence and if you if if it feels natural to say little about your journey with it you know you're coming to know
the years

ah we moved to green gulch ways and center sanga moved to grand gulch almost forty nine years ago he moved to green gulch and ah
i became tonto of green gulch
only the nine years ago and the fall nineteen seventy two
night i sat in the zendo and sometimes in my early a mature years
what to say i'm mature now but anyway when i was more immature than i am now i used to say in the sender to the saga
don't move
though my early understanding was that stillness was
you know something we could do
and we do ghosts and as and on we do sit still
but now i'm not trying for the stillness which we do although i do practice to stillness which we can do in any people do we go in there and we do this thing sit down every system
what i'd trade for
is stillness which we don't make ourselves i pray for the stillness which are true relationship
a true relationship is were totally letting each other be supporting each other to be
that's not moving and that silent and i pray that we received that cause that true relationship is already here so now rather than
encouraging people to do see illness which i do to some extent i guess i do encourage them but i encourage them just by sitting i mostly pray for the could say complete stillness in each moment that's already here at each moment and that we will receive and and receiving like dharma rain
received distance i pray for the i want that i don't make it
i want i pray that we receive it together
and that we remember it
and that we practice it and again transmitted
well this is my later years relationship with another kind of stillness from know kind i knew about when i started sitting still
thank you for your question

you'll have to tell me your name with the woman with the ipad

i i guess it's me on is charlotte was it may guess i
hi
thank you hello reg measured
hello
great sangha thank you for all the settings
no
ah
and said the january intensive and
i am and the study and we we study the lotus sutra i've been having man
and a bit more in difficulty to learn
to welcome my mind as it is
ah
out of them
i guess out of the the fear that stern up in all yeah that the harshness in in the text and air
ah what's gonna happen if you're discouraged for their
and the punishing the side of the
language and a know
am
hmm
hmm
the i think it has brought up some man
and
lack of trust or something in my in me that i'm
that i can just fully welcome everything their cities and that
the practice i wanna do
i'm
he the same time i have been feeling
andy reciting chapter twenty five it
i'm doing that i've been
i'm feeling really
canavan connected and held
by the subtract saw where it's this kind of love with schizophrenia relationship i had to it now
but ah
i think it ought to her now and i'm here everyone talk and we talk about the vehicle and i think that might want one my mind is is very clear to me that i get this problems with the text because i grasp the nettle sorry
i said something
how did you know
then i pray and you will receive stones
know that i pray them for that
thank you you know that i pray for that
hmm no so in the situation you describe i pray that you remember stillness
you receive it
silence i'm not saying push away
these thoughts
not to get rid of them i'm not saying run away from them i'm saying i pray when these thoughts come
was you're reading the lotus sutra or not
most thoughts come pray that he received silence and stillness
and remember it
when remember it as these thoughts come up here they come and also remember silence instruments and here they come remember not push them away silent not even be received it's been given to you when these thoughts come
and i hear you saying it's hard for me to remember silence and stillness it's hard for me to receive silence and stones when they start come yeah it is hard that's why i'm praying for this
as why i'm trying to support you to remember this when these difficult outcome
so you can remember that we're praying for you to remember that when these thoughts come and you can also join the prayer you can pray that maybe that be remembered and of course you can pray that you remember
many better drew praise me pray that we're all gonna remember this a mischievous
if you keep doing that practice along with reading chapter twenty five
and maybe when these really challenging thoughts come you will be able to continue i get to twenty five it's remember the power of great compassion remember it doesn't say make all the lucky chest far save you remember it we call it right remembering all the lucky test far is
remembering silence and stones
receiving of lucky test vars great power is receiving a great power of silence system
the deal with these challenging uprisings
okay
please join me in his prayer
have you know
i will
and

i'm i just wanted to say how important to me the great vehicle is the one via called this the whole idea of it and just utterly stunning to me and my experience of zan ah when i first kind of encountered it was an active or
version of on of people making taking responsibility for my practice and for me and sort of inviting me into one great vehicle and it was again a stunning kind of revelation of what it means to reach towards other people with goodwill
ill and as somebody with quite a bit of violence inside and quite a bit of self righteousness and pretty much any mind negative mind state you can think of it just seemed so wise to be able to include all this this war to create
parts of myself in the world so
when i feel like i'm in a moment of a great vehicle moment where i'm suspended by the great vehicle i usually feel like i'm not in it like everything is around me and i'm with it but i'm not really exactly there and i'm wondering what is your experience of being in the one great vehicle
colin how much of your day are you in it eg do you feel like you're just like the container for anyway illuminates
i don't have it is not a feeling it's a practice i i remember
i remember that we're all on the great vehicle together right now i remember that i contemplated
most i might feel that way to
but no matter how i feel
i contemplate this teaching all day long
okay know i'm contemplating and remembering the teacher do i feel like i'm on the great vehicle i don't really know what it feels like to be on the great vehicle but i remember that the teaching is i am you are we are that's what the great vehicle is is what we're doing together right now i
remember that
i receive that i practice i am practicing that now and i'm very happy to do so
but i don't necessarily feel like i'm
you never had that a moment where he said oh this is a great vehicle moment i i so far i have not had that know
it may happen any minute tickets
ah so the last question will be deborah my tail
ah hi everyone haram ram you mentioned on fullness of freedom is to be right there with some sarah
and is that the same as inhabiting folly the limitations of our lives
and i keep having this expectation that if i can be fully present with what surprising than i won't be in great suffering and i think that's wrong
wrong when i sat on earth i agree that it's wrong i would just say that ah fully present with great suffering
his words out
that's great gonna pack great compassion is fully present with great suffering and that's not the slightest bit different from freedom from suffering
so it doesn't mean pain is absent know we have a number of
the buddha was in pain when the passed away in india
the buddha was still the buddha giving all these wonderful teachings in pain and earlier before the buddhist final days the buddha had back problems
great buddha and sometimes couldn't sit up to give talks
there's a back problems he would the buddha was in pain and then the buddha had a his senior students gives a dharma talks will he was recline was he he was lying down next to them but the buddha was still there completely with her pain and politically with her pain can
plete the free of pain
with pain so fully but she was free of it
and the dharma was being taught
my expressing the freedom of pain in pain
i think i'm just not quite there yet
with i feel pain but not quite free the pain when i'm president i think you feel pain when you haven't yet fully inhabited
we haven't you haven't fully accepted it
that's the path we're on mr
i'm gonna do them
the fully accept our limits is something we're learning how to do
we and when we're on the path to learning that
does
west but at the so as far as me on the path to learning i just be as present as we can with what surprising i'm guessing the president with was arising and be and also be present with there still seems to be a little difference from this suffering and be freedom from suffering
the difference between this suffering and freedom from suffering distance is my my own to the to whatever extent i'm unwilling to be with my suffering that's the only thing that makes it a separation
if i don't resist my suffering at all
if i am completely generous and patient and respectful and careful with my suffering then will be no separation between my suffering and freedom from suffering of all beams
there's not really a separation is only my resistance to my situation a create with separation was not real and is conjured up by my resistance
so when the first step just to be aware of my resistant yes it's another the first step but it's it's a necessary step
and if you fully inhabit your resistance to suffering you will fully inhabit your suffering

any other things i should do it can be a bumper sticker
will they i say one more time cliff
fully inhabiting
your resistance to suffering
is freedom from suffering
thank you
thank you everybody
thank you everybody all army mean to do
may our intention equally extend to every being and plays with the true merit of buddha away beings are numberless i vow to save them
afflictions are inexhaustible i vow to stop resisting them
dharma gates are boundless i vow to enter them
bruder ways unsurpassable i vow to become it

thank you well think arab thank you