March 10th, 2007, Serial No. 01424

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love to taste the fruits of directors words with morning
you scared because
karen and long as you see
hmm
whoa
she lives with her husband paul
fun
yeah
asha
indian days
i'm also last night she was coordinating
movement
karen to serve seems to keep working through a range of now
the back my and
way back in fact
and then be released and the u s
have an old friend
enjoy seeing him
the morning
it's always interesting to get somebody else's perspective on
and i knew
i'm i'm very happy to be here and welcome to those of you who are here for the first time and hello to the childcare people in the community room
for me this is always coming home so i'm always ah
surprised but in in a mixed kind of way in a bittersweet kind of way to be hosted because you know the relationship of host and guest is actually quite profound and on
i always thought of myself as the host and knowing the guest and you are the host
anyway i'm one of the one of the things we practice on the ashram in montana is the law of hospitality
and it's a wonderful thing to be able to receive people and to be received and
the teacher there sometimes calls it the highest law of the of the work or the highest law practice and in zen they talk about host and guest often so it's a nice relationship it keeps things a little formal but not chile
so i'll talk a little bit about my life in montana by i am i'm coming to you with a question i have an ongoing practice and so i thought i would bring it here because i'm not practicing in as in place on a regular basis we do have an
there is as in group there that was started by a woman who practiced here about ten years ago for a short time when the roberts some of you may remember her was a phd student
now she's a biologist and she lives in bozeman and there's a small group there and i participate there and i have lots of opportunities to teach in that setting
but most of my life is consumed on the ashram where i live and being a mom a new mom an old man an old new mom is what i am
and i'm really enjoying that practice the most and this relationship with this young boy is just completely lit up my life
am
so
one of so what i'm interested in right now are some of the forms that i've practiced with over the last twenty years in zen on what they mean to me now or how i how i settled with them
kent would you put a clock on the outside so i can
thank you
i'm
i'm i wanted to bring for our consideration the question of the bodhisattva vow
so
the bodhisattva vow
is on
kind of the main context of are buddhist practice and i wanted to remind myself of that and on to bring it here to talk about the radical nature of this practice the practice of devoting yourself and your life
two other beings
to all other beings and to their welfare and happiness
and
i live in a climate that's not so political i'm a little bit sheltered these days and when i come to berkeley i'm reminded of the energy with which people have to deal with because there's so much in the air here it's not the same and montana and i'm in a situation that care i ca
confess that we kind of ignore some of the drama around what's going on and then also it's a pretty libertarian kind of atmosphere there people are more about their own rights than anything else so it's a little
interesting
and there's a lot of beef
oh
the so on
the bodhisattva vow is the radical notion that your life is not about you it's not really not about you but it's not about you it's not about your self improvement it's not about your comfort or happiness it's not even about your awakening although you
we're awakening is necessary it's not sufficient
so the first line
beings are numberless i vow to awaken with them many of you have been around long enough to remember when it was i vowed to save them and sojourn changed that many years ago and even though sometimes i have trouble remembering that when we chant i like
like the feeling of it better because it on
it's actually more to the point it it is a board are awakening but that we awaken with other people when buddha woke up when he realized was not just his own liberation but that all beings are fundamentally liberated and he could see it and he saw that they could not
so all beings are fundamentally liberated so i vow to awaken with them and i o bound to awaken for their benefit like my awakening is not for my benefit it's for yours
that's the proposition before us
so every morning when we sit zazen here we do a service and we dedicate the merit of all our effort and we'd give it away immediately
we immediately give over any attachment we would have to any gaining idea just immediately dedicated to the welfare of others
so we could stop right there and talk about just how radical this is in all the examples one could find of how people manifests this
in the world
so i live with this guru and is you know i don't know how much i know some of you know something about gurus by am
he can be very irreverent and say exactly the wrong thing you know and it's very provocative and it helps
and he's always talking about body sought for smoothie sofa you know all the body such as they're just you know who would want to i don't want to save all beings beings are annoying hit home
i only want to save the ones i like
and on and sometimes he says it is any he's very provocative about it sometimes he's kidding and sometimes he's trying to get just me
in other times he's he acts very serious about it in it's very uncomfortable
and i've noticed that how he lives is completely in accordance with the bodhisattva vow so one of the things guru say sometimes is don't do what i what is it don't
what is it don't do what i say do what i do it's the opposite don't do what i do do what i say i'm doing what i do you do what i tell you to do but i notice what he does and
so i feel like the bodhisattva path is alive and well in this little bowl ah work community that we have up in montana
the second vow is to and delusion delusions delusions are inexhaustible i vowed to end them
oh and i will talk more about how that to me is one of the is like the pivotal point in how we're going to bring forth are on bodhisattva vow is our practice of ending delusion and what oh and what
how we do that ongoingly because we fail all day long at that but that's really that's really where it starts facing are fundamental ignorance and the delusions we build from that ignorance
on we vowed to enter all dharma gates and one of the ways i interpret this is that there is no opportunity know phenomenon nothing that arises that isn't an opportunity to reach out and make a connection and practice
the bodhisattva vow with anyone in any circumstance so
in our lives when we think we want to be done with our task at hand so we can get to the real practice of being in the zendo that might be a mistaken view of what i'm what practices
all dharma gates any any thing that happens but within your own body and mind and between the body and minds of you and others the opportunity to transform
the world
and the self
and then the the capping phrase i vow buddhist ways unsurpassable i vow to become it
i'm
in really attain it really bring it forth
so
the
for me the i i want to bring we're going to chant this at the end of this lecture and we chanted a lot and it's an opportunity to meet our actual vow and on
decide again that we're in this practice for the long haul and for the hard work for the real loss that's involved in being a zen practitioner the real loss or not here to gain something we're not here to get better but we're here to actually lose
news
and then help other people
i'm
xanga is one of the three jewels and so for me the bodhisattva vow is manifested in our relationships that zen is a place where we practice together and although retreat practice or solitary practice is never discouraged
to for rubbing up against each other
and i've gotten myself into a situation where i live with other people i live right now with about twenty other people thumbs families individuals
couples and there's a lot of rubbing up against each other and there is a lot of relationship and there's a lot of avoiding relationship and there's a lot of being right
i'm
and it happens between people and it happens in relationship to the teacher there
in this led me to think about what the nature of relationship is like what are we talking about when we're talking about being in relationship in some ways you never not in relationship like just by the nature of being here and being in a body and mind and being in this phenomenal world relationship
is the way things are
to sort of do relationship is kind of extra in the way you know sort of adding on this activity to what's already naturally occurring so maybe one way to think about it is
how do sort of relinquish our hindrances so that we can get out of the way of what hinders actual relationship
oh the nature of relationship to me is actually the first quality i came up with was aloneness that fundamentally we are alone and we spend a lot of our energy avoiding that dimension of our existence
it's
i think when i come back to the berkeley's in center you know i feel so much like this is my home i can't believe you'll have gone on without me
you know and that's a real feeling and i know a lot of people feel it for different things on a and of course i'm happy that you do because this practices again not about me but it's practice for the sake of practice but i am
i berkeley zen center has become the last hold of my identity
and i've been carrying around a an identification card making sure the ancestors knew i was still part of their club
and really afraid that if i were to sort of not be here enough
you know they would turn their back some you would turn your back on me
and it's it's it's moving to me because it's like who are you you know this configuration is probably never happened just this way in the zendo and may never again this particular event is completely rare and wonderful and it will be gone on
so i my friend pointed out to me that be aloneness that i was grappling with was was not about this place this place was just the best indication of it the best evidence i had for my state for my situation so
i've kind of dropped back and i'm sitting with my fundamental aloneness that if i'm part of this sanga if i'm part of the sanga in montana wherever i am
the truth is i'm going to die alone one day even if you're all with me there's things those gates we have to pass through as individuals it's the nature of human life
and we have to remember that even though we are alone it's only one version of the truth
but it's a gate i have to pass through in order to really express the connectedness that so that i actually feel a lot
so i think the nature of relationship has a lot to do with aloneness
i think it has a lot to do with dissatisfaction and experiencing lack or not getting met
i think there's a lot of yearning and relationship
i think there is heartbreak
and i think relationship is one of the best places to experience the heartbreak that is being human
i am i think there's a tremendous vulnerability that any time we open to other people
we run the danger of being left of being hurt of losing them
in fact on many of you have probably seen that closed it's used to be on ross is fridge for the longest time and melons the sojourn in his fridge and i even had ross compete for me and i always forget the first part of it it's something like
how tender all of our affections and relations are with each other how tender and something if anyone remembers a custom of you have seen it on and then the second line is we will lose every relationship to which our hands now
clean
it's two lines and a camp a coalition or human
but that that line about how tender and how sweet
these alliances are and yet will lose every relationship
just brings me to bring that is almost like i can't talk it's kind of you know and this is a good reminder in practice for me to on
to see how to feel and know how dependent i am on all of you for even being here right now and to admit that vulnerability to admit that i'm scared of losing it and to plunge into that
i'm so i don't mean to say that the nature of relationship is only suffering it just certainly is marked by suffering but we tend to look at relationship very dualistic lee
and we evaluate and we try to gain we're looking for something when we are trying to get in relationship on
i can't wait on that and mr saw come back to the on
so for me examining what relationship actually is is a good part of how to settle with the fact that relationships aren't going to solve my problem
my fundamental problem but they are the way i am going to practice in fact there's no other way to practice
so it's kind of might sound paradoxical to some people that were fundamentally alone and yet there's no other way to practice but in relationship but for me it kind of helps me settle to realize that i need all of you in order to practice in order to face the thing i have to face on my
own
but i wanna talk about some of the ways i have been looking at how to practice and relationship and some of them are buddhists thick and some of them or not but they all inform a kind of on growing up to me and how to be in relationship with other people
on

and again this is based on the assumption that we have agreed that we are in bodies up for training school
you know on
so here's a quote from a man named a jeffrey hopkins who is a tibetans scholar and practitioner the season of book from about twenty years ago but it really struck me in cultivating the bodhisattva path you must develop a mind that remains compassionate in the face
you have any harm whatsoever
and some of the horrors that we have to face are really small and subtle and insidious and they're all ego-driven so some of the processes that i practice will have to do with this sort of letting go and dismantling the ego or the attachment to the evil or the primus
se of the ego i don't you know my heat my ego has been hard one i worked really hard to get my personality and my ego and my self sufficiency and to grow up so i'm not about becoming this selfless blob who has no personality and no agency in the world i'm not about and
taking care of myself or thinking that i'm gonna be a big rescuer and it's all about you and it's not about me but i am interested in healthy relationships where i can be forthright and honest and use every opportunity to turn the light inward and see what i'm up to and how i'm whole
adding out on the bodhisattva vow
so
though
the one i'm interested in his own is pioneered by the work of m scott peck and he was talking about communities he was talking about how communities can come together and be true communities but it works for relationship and it has to do with getting more real
ah
of path from pseudo relationship to real relationship and pseudo relationship is not bad it's just not complete so the idea is if we that real relationship we have to abide the fact that we have some pseudo relationship and
and we have to endure the steps and the unmasking it takes to have a real relationship
so a pseudo relationship is you know the hi hawaii and we don't want to dispense with hi how are you we want our protocols and are conventions in place so that we know that we're in the same world but if we stay there we missed the opportunity to help each other face
what we need to face
so the next stage of that it gets it gets dicey really fast you go from pseudo community or pseudo relationship to chaos and conflict
when the when the beginnings of chaos and conflict arise we shouldn't notice them you know we should not avoid our feelings of judgment or blaming or wrongdoing or all those things that make it like i'll just sort of you know okay that per
person and i'm going to sort of term and not deal now nothing if the rush headlong and deal with every little thing that arises
but in relationship in a working relationship i mean there's all kinds of networks here people have positions people of histories there is there there's vertical hierarchy there is lateral you know sibling miss to our situation here and we're in relationship and so chaos as or conflict is
bound to arise in part of why we avoided as it feels somewhat chaotic
we don't know who we are and we don't know if we've won
and we want to win
and we want to know who's right we want to know what's right we assume something is right we have this notion that there is some right way
and i've said this and i've said it in this seat before it's still true for me on
but i'll say it little different way for those of you who heard it before then you'll think i'm so creative and new and that is
when you're right about something when you're right that's when you're wrong
so
it's good to have a good view of things or a a healthy view of things but when were attached to it and when we're really right or wrong or wrong because we've lost the connection with the other person and we want the rightness we want the thing that we know is right to win out
fl at the cost of the other person sometimes of the cost of ourselves some of us are the type that will adapt so quickly and let other people be right and then we harm ourselves and then away we hardly other person because we've endorse their brightness
you know we've allowed them to continue
not being in relationship
so it's very good in my mind to explore the nature of this conflict in what were attached to and what we want from the other person but the 'em
the way out is a process called emptying and i think it's somewhat related to buddhist emptiness but for the sake of this it's just this kind of emptying like when you have a full cup of water if nothing else can go in it until you empty it
so when we empty we take responsibility for how we actually feel and what we're actually projecting and our darkness our our discomfort our attachment and that's what we can take care of and in fact that's all we can take care of
is how i feel in this moment or in general and my relationship with you with what's happened is this thing has built up and i have this story about you and i know i'm right because the truth is we're often right when you hooked into another person and you know something about their faults
it's not that they're not there it's just that they're not your business
you know so
all i can do is take care of myself so when we empty we confess to ourselves and each other what so for us and usually what that gets down to is some kind of grief some kind of sad and as some kind of lack of control that we did not watch
want to have to admit in front of each other
and again i'm not painting the picture of going around being this open puddle of like how how wrong you've been or whatever but but really we have to do the hard work of facing what well i really have that judgment of other people and
i don't believe in judging other people and yet i'm full of judgment and so of course i'm worried people are judging me and the that whole story we have to sit still with that and unpack it kind of let it breathe and not get caught by it
and the only way i can see what so for you is if i've been willing to sit still with what so from me
i'm
when we on in bozeman we have this practice of meeting in women's and men's groups
in this has been invaluable for me because if i bring a consideration to the women like instead of going to the teacher right away it's like something's going on for me bring it to the women you know i'm having i'm trying to think of
the stuff i've been through with some of it has been about i don't want to be there i wanna be here in know why my there and when i would talk about it i would have this language of paul brought me the montana or this is not my lineage or you people don't sit in of zazen are you don't understood
and what doesn't it is or
yada yada yada and though and when other people listened to you and they deeply listen they can see right away what you're up to they don't have to know you really really well you don't have to know somebody really really well if you're listening carefully for where their project
acting outward cause any time we make it about that there's something we're not looking at
so the women will really on
at first they gently coax you know currently think you're blaming paul you know and you have to take some responsibility for your situation
but if i really have some fire behind what i'm doing and i'm not listening they will pounce on me they will just yell back so it gets very lively and very real and very dirty and
but it's it's in the service of what are you not seen what you know what do you really need to be doing right now
because it may be that a decision needs to be made but often some grief needs to be acknowledged
am i
i watched a one of the students there who's very close to the teacher she brought this invitation she had done and it was one of those two sided ones and that she didn't use good enough paper and so it was sort of showing through on the other side was a really nice product and
on she was nervous about it as she had made a decision to go ahead with it and she showed it to him and he's like well the sucks this doesn't work i don't want to send this out
and she he said this doesn't work and she said i know but she said i know like back she said i know
not i know not i know i screwed up i made a decision and it was wrong and i'm sorry it was i know and what do you think follows that kind of i know i know but you know you weren't around for me to ask you and we're trying to save money remember and so i didn't want to bite when and he was like
what's going on and she kept defending herself in the truth is all those stories were true for her but in the moment she could not receive his teaching of
this is screwed up and i feel really bad about it
not it's all my fault it's all my fault it's this just it doesn't feel right and i'm sorry or whatever and i was watching it and it was going just turn like it's like it's like a half a degree turn all you have to do is say i know i know i've probably disappointed you but we won't do that
that because she wanted to retain the dignity of being an adult person who doesn't make a mistake or get get something out of a situation she wanted to win something
and when you put yourself in the fire of transformation if you win you lose so you might as well go for losing because that's what it's about
since she really fought and i just i just
it's hard to watch when you when you're in it of course you're right you know he's recently fighting for your life and it's like you're really justifying but
one of the ways we can look at other people is first of all not as other people right
not as other not as objects
the
werner erhard
the great zen master the great controversy of zen master said on
that we should view relationship as appreciating and observing another's state of being
so we're all be and what we encounter are states and we keep mistaking or states for are being so we forget i forget that your buddha because your state is now program
and we keep confusing it but if we can appreciate people state of being as the best they can do in the moment to manifest buddha
and we can have an appreciation for our own state of being and accept any state of being
as okay for now i'm willing to hold it i'm willing to be present with it then i'll be able if i can train myself to do that with myself my capacity to do it with you grows and this to me is the beginning of upholding the bodhisattva vow
i'm
we have become very sophisticated psychologically and we and i know up where i live where all about sort of where we are on the enneagram or what whatsapp what sign we are what what is your fundamental not you know what is your fundamental block that
keeps your buddha nature obscured you know
and any time you screw up i can just reminds you that you are you know doing that thing again why won't you drop it it's so easy to see that you're doing it why won't you drop it can really see my don't feel how can i just drop it so we have to help each other but my point about that is that we
have gotten very fascinated with the psychological
constructs and they're they're useful it helps me to know where i live on the enneagram and where i tend to go that my fear is that something better is going on somewhere else i'm gonna miss it and you all are going to leave me some of you are right now going on
chooser
and i am and on a holiday and i don't want that to be sort of i don't want that flavor to obscure the one flavor of the buddha dharma so one of the things to do is when we pray
cactus in the moment how we can see each other fresh you can see me not as those traits but as my state in the moment and then assert
the buddha dharma know my buddha nature my remembering your buddha nature and then we act like we still have to act we still have to you know
coach each other and get each other back on track we have to receive teaching from our teacher and take the feedback and mess up
i am i think it was it was either i think maybe it was picking on hon but it might have been trungpa rinpoche's have been exploring other
teachers but there was this image of writing in the car was your husband my husband writing in the car with my husband and i've known him for fourteen years so i think i know him
i think i know him because he seems the same day to day and he has the same habits good and bad
and i'm sitting in the car forgetting that i could lose him so i'm thinking about what i'm thinking about he's thinking about what he's thinking about and we lose the preciousness of this
opportunity
and sometimes in the car i don't do anything about that but i just remember and they feel my whole body just sort of move towards him and open and remember the preciousness of this human life and the opportunity to practice with him and that he's that
my job is not to fix him
is to wake up myself so i can help him and i am
i really appreciate that because i really do fall under the spell of thinking i know him
and we do that with each other we think we know who we are we think we know what a relationship is and we expect certain things so instead of expecting my relationship with you to fulfill my needs how about if i just appreciate your state
oh here's this lovely person going through this thing how can i be with that and not get something out of it then not end up looking good or great or bad like really start to unpack oh i'm really in this to preserve my image and finding that over
over again oh i can't do a whole analysis of this but i've been looking at the scandals and if we are nothing but the five scanned as if for nothing but a body and sensations and perceptions and these impulses and this consciousness like that's what the buddhist teaching like were job
is this bag of scoundrels i've started to look at how the fact that our perceptions are almost always inaccurate we perceive but we don't perceive things as they are we perceive them through our habits and through the way we think things are
so how do i start to perceive things correctly so ignorance is not just that i lack information it's like i have the wrong information
so i'm seeing you through my filters so again and again that teaching reminds me i have to work here so all of this you may have started to realize his i'm waving a little banner for how zazen is bodhi sought for practice if my question was how the sitting on the cushion
meet other people and so i keep coming again to like i am looking at my delusion and really working with that as the way to meet you i'm
the other skanda besides perception that i'm interested in is the sensation one how everything is well this is way i understand it right now that the since eight it's not our feelings like my our emotions it's our sensations of like
i like this i don't like this i'm neutral about this so even now through this talk we've all been going through very subtle commentary on what's going on i like this i don't like this i'm neutral about this
i like sitting up here i don't like the feeling in my stomach i'm neutral about you know the birds singing
although now that i say it i'm liking the bc why i say this is that these scandals are ways we can really examine what we're up to
we can watch the commentary all day long i like this i don't like this i'm neutral about this and that's what we do with other people it's really hard to drop that and really receive really be the host for another person
really let them just exist in your presence let them give them the gift of your ah it's like being it's like what kids need from us kids need the on
i'm trying to find the word but like we we grant children being this by just allowing them to be and that's all we're asking each other to do it's like we're asking what it's like you know how the tibetans have this practice of everyone has been your mother and you've been everyone's mother and you've actually been in all these relationships
each other that we meet each other as a mother would meet her child not in the
hierarchical pejorative way like i'm in charge of you but i have room for you and that's how we are with our children we have room for whatever they go through and we see clearly what they need because it's so obvious what they can and can't do so if we can cultivate that vision
and for ourselves like ah karen they see that
when you get lonely you worry that everyone's forgotten you that's that's just such a wonderful human thing to do i can hold their you know
the more i do that for myself the more when i see you it's so easy to accept your state because it's not who you are it's your state
red or blue
so i want to stop there i have a couple other things but am i know it's time to stop but maybe we have an indulge for five minutes in case there are questions or comments just because i'd like to hear from you hi charlie
in your age
oh to come to represent center
i organize the see
to see you
nice to see you i missed you guys last time last year when i came
yes hi
river
the great dogan question asked the new keep that question alive
the question is if we're already enlightened why are we sitting here why are we waiting with know why are we waiting to wake up
yeah
why don't we
red lights is eugene says red light stop greenlight go what's yellow mama maybe yellow is the yellows the color of the emperor in china but it's also the color of hesitancy in the stoplights so don't wait
don't miss this opportunity
the other thing i would say about that is waking up is not what we think it is probably the were mistaken about pretty much everything so there's a good chance our notion of what waking up is is
pretty deluded so you may not know when you wake up when you have a moment of total engagement you may not actually
be sort of commenting on it you might actually merge with your experience
so you may not know
i really really sleep
well your face is very awake so thank you for bringing the question
heiko you say more about
movies are the ones groups are very far
how from i'll tell you i it was it was i my those of you who know me and my thin skin i've gotten a little tougher but it's never easy to hear feedback it's never easy to hear about how you're missing the mark
and the guru has a range of ways of exam
embodying that and i feel like he's very intuitive which can be good
because he can feel what a person might need he doesn't calculate oh this person's very shy so all shock them or something like that but he can feel what's gonna speak to a person and sometimes he just flat out yells at people because he has you know i mean he's a human being it's not like
if he doesn't think he's god he just thinks he's embodying a function much like mill as he's transmitting and oh
when someone is blatantly not getting something sometimes a shock is needed and shocks are very powerful in our life anyone who has had a shock in their life they're made has left them there made has died they've lost a child they've lost
their work they got an illness anything like that or even less sometimes those of us who are really sensitive you know someone being a little mean to us as a shock you know that's that's your window you know and so sometimes the culture is one of providing a shock so that you can start
ago i was really asleep i was asleep i have fallen under the spell of thinking i was somebody
and then i was here for some other reason than to help you are to help all of us so we've actually started moving in our women's group away from severe confrontation to more practice health and they've called on me because sometimes people need to just practice
they just need to face what's uncomfortable instead of working it out so whatever you might think as your chief difficulty in your sort of karma or your personality
you can talk about it and talk about it at some point you know yourself well enough you know what you're up to what you need to do is keep facing it a vowing it and dropping it and one of the best ways to drop your drama is to assert something else
so it's like the eating talks about energetic progress in the good or like my friend wendy said you how do you feel
how do you get the kept i do you get a cuppa sorry and he kept the air out of a cup you know we talked about the cup being full of water but if the cup is full of air how to get the arrow
you pour the water in so read the dharma study asked people for feedback it's a wonderful practice to go and say how am i doing with my bossiness i was such a nice person you know i'm really nice and i've said that here before but i
i have this this i wanna be in charge i wanna be in charge and i wanna be the center through which all things go so my being helpful is like this kind of veiled way of being in charge so there's this whole psychological thing that i get to know about myself
but now after fifteen years of looking at it i know about it i don't need to sit and process it with you you just need to say karen drop it so you have to know where you are in relation to certain things about your own suffering some things are new to you if someone when someone when someone first only i
was bossy i was shocked now i'm bossy here know and i'm just bazi
and it's so much it's such a relief to just be bossy and not be like this adaptive nice bossy
the make sense to him okay moffett and then we should probably answer
about
be at me i be better
a relationship
you
die

or not
really
yes he got a with it
yes
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i'm just hearing more about
be
no central criticized to their false reveal to themselves
ah but
are you asking like what would what would be the context here are the venue of yeah cause if this is classic know that it's not necessarily
oh
criticism or whatever correctly or it with out of the human contact why yes
theatre
well a context of trust that
may take awhile reaching people feel it
is there a visually oh
good with
with or
it's normal context was war
example
seems to me
right also
no one
one work that will you've been here a long long time do you feel that this is a supportive safe place
for yourself
no no i understand how of yes
effective
oh
more closely on that note
absolutely it right
that this kind of work and way concentrate or two
wider that the would have to establish confidence i
yes i'm feeling that
whatever criticism may com vb or whatever
is because oh wrong
overall it's not that got it i got yes i got your point and i would say a hardy yes to what you're saying that you don't want to do it out of context you don't want to do it recklessly or for your own gratification but that we want to do it for rc
we are examining our own body mind that we are confessing how we are deluded and how we see things not clearly and how we want to win and then to us i would say you could take the radical assam
option that this is a safe place in it's a wholesome environment and that the that the purpose given them are activity is purposeless but the purpose of being here is for each other's benefit and for the benefit of all beings and that this is an assumption and it's radical but i don't think
anyone would dispute it and i don't think anyone could face the wall for forty minutes without that being the ground in this groundless situation and i'm not inviting people to sort of have a free for all now and feel invited to go and criticize each other that's i hope that's not the spirit of what i was saying
it's more like when we examine ourselves we see our dilution and that we can bring it to people and ask how do you see this how can you help me or when you're in conflict with someone that are your main job is to avow what so for you not to blame the other person ie
even when they're wrong and you're right that goes nowhere that is not the radical practice of a bodhisattva the radical practice of a bodhisattva is to assert the buddha nature of all beings as always been present in every circumstance no matter how horrible
that's me were asking a lot
but
we're gonna do it in this lifetime so we probably should stop and thank you all for coming i want to read a quote that was some of you may have seen this and this is another way to practice internally and save all beings words found in sojourns sleeve
when you let go of your old perceptions you give people a chance to change
when you do not let go you are participating in the continuation of their faults
so if i can let go of my old view of you that will help you grow
so
the beings