February 7th, 2005, Serial No. 00568

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yeah
i wanted to chris acknowledge that we're trying to do something essentially impossible
criminalize i felt after last week's class like
it is too much
too much material covering such a concentrated so i'm objects who have and they don't know what else to do given the fact that
so
today
i tried to cover
two major topics
buddhism
each of which
class
and i think there's some somewhat related
relief get an you to
ask questions
so let's talk about
karma
the precepts
posted the precepts executive
framework
for buddhist ethics that also ah
the precepts
context of denial
like function switches
particular particular
elaboration precepts
so all both of these aspects of emerged very early him
it is a week
that said
the fact that requirement of particular buddhist monks the karma was
inherent in division that he had
on its way can you can you elaborate
said city
as he got deeper into the nature of
dependent origination how
things give burst when congress is central
and then the precepts
for the first moral teachings are
key part of has a because i see
two point that the need for pets average breaks down roughly into areas that
ethics and morality
some on your concentration with
from path
the presets or receptor expressed this
right speech
right action right livelihood
experience to them
i think i didn't start with this karma because ah
we could go either way you could go to precess point from memory
the rise but there's a lot of discussion about karma

very strange misguided
talk about this
tsunami
as as an expression karma
picked
people from every faith wanting to
give a
personality
agency to nations
my my view
tsunami is
that it was a it's a phenomenon it was the earth
setting itself back in balance various physical forces network adequacy or police find up on one another and that force as the movies that's not corn
and i was very troubled yesterday august he says
feedbacks
i came lives
a piece
the leaf very interesting
tsunami
was it karma
robert thurman says yes
somebody else says no lama surya das says don't blame the victims talents like
if it's it's a stranger abduction to soundbites but i was really troubled by rock for rapid series because he said was everything that happens to us is common
and that's not the buddhism upstream
so many received the donner party
the
and also this is really and discuss them
phenomena i proceeded
by the heart
ruled by the heart made of the market
if you speak with a corrupted heart suffering policies as the wheel of kart track of the octopus
phenomena are preceded by the heart ruled by the heart made of current if you speak or act calm bright hard and happiness follows you like the shadow that never leaves
such a varied
away submission
but what good buddha said to give
on the topic i wanted researchers have you you said i declare opie clues that volition
his corner
having wheeled ones acts by body speech to song
so everything that we don't that we do not come
ah com of literally means action for doing
but what it means is intentional
actually ah
and actually covers actions in mind words

so really karma enough
it just means quite simply choice replaced that we make a choice
in our life
then that is a
that's an art that act the has the
failure of corner
it
and seems that are unintentional or voluntary for unconscious
did you not constitute complicated
now what could
one can of course always go back in and look at
since we have very developed six of unconscious
what kind of unconscious motivations there are your and those
those we can discuss
when their car
but your many causes of saints in this world
each thing we choose to thank you say there is constant
it's not like retribution
it's just it's it's a physical it's almost like
a large physics
naturally there is a linkage between what we do
our action which to com and the
result of them
the fruit of that the fuck
ha
so just as every object is
in the daylight is accompanied by shadow
so every volitional action
he is
inevitably accompanied by
check
karma you can see is like a seat
see the has potential every pocket
is
that arises from tennessee

so this is just this is just connections
so far you with the
yeah
hey stephanie

maybe it's time to time on let's get to that let's let's let's not start there because this is where things get
things get unclear

ah
i want to go back to
karma has a form of causation
so this or
notion of problem arose the buddhists
i understand it as the expression of dependent origination which is which is a large theory of causation
but ah
the buddha also said
he explained that about everything
the first things arise from a variety costs
and not everything is car even personal
right things can be or originating from file
from flip or when
from the union of bodily u-verse from seasonal change from disruptive circumstances
arriving suddenly due to the action of another person
or born of the tuition
so these are all factors this seventy percents
and when something happens to us
and the part about bathrooms piece that
that i think is really useful and
i think is this actually would try to say it as president unskillful wafer
somebody
his nipples worse
is that it's always helpful to consider
good i have important
and this is wonderful servant very own certainly by by martin luther king
where he describes
i think this newsletter
he said no texas where he talks about off
there's somebody hates you or dislikes you
and the first thing we should do is just is to investigate very deep down there somewhere club live in some way
there's something we may have done for participate via that caused that person
a to have negative
about me
so
it's always helpful to consider it
the thing is that we don't want to what we want to get away from and this is this is that the tone of
that that i believe
reacting to him
the speculating that tsunami is a tone of blame the victims
and this is radically
what in fact the buddha was turning away
yeah
it is is understanding which was which was a tremendous break from the religious orthodoxy of time
a religious orthodoxy
essentially declared that karma was like a kind of mechanistic
fate
that if you were born
district state or skirts certain cast
hey that was locked in
and you you were born that way because that's what you deserved
and then and you could never change it
ha
maybe to teach next life that was some expected but ah
the radical notion
in buddhism is that
anyone could become a run
the roman
our nobility
was about the present
your present important
the world's people it had nothing to do with where you were born
what classroom with how just old lot of writings of
when do to talk to them
essentially you study that race and color
the word was performed here are today and of
he just
you just cut across that every time you know that what was important to him was how a person
and that determined their class
where they have a class of person that's a week
more class of person next to boot
where the on the path
the or were they
in complete denial of rejection
that designated
how you looking
and so karma
began comment became a very developed
theory as buddhism became a
can hurt the orthodoxy
developed religion data
karma like dependent origination lotus a skirting the whole idea of nature
was seen as as good as a result in there
you know around three four hundred eighty
cargo was he to unfold over three lives
past life present life
ah but in the early teachings good as that it doesn't that's the kind of metaphysical speculation that
well
and that's really
we can't speculate we don't know maybe some of you go back
most of us and we have we don't have any idea the future like we can know an awful lot
better president can help you thought
so the opportunity to buddhism that cargo was not this poem
mechanically
developing
horse but that at every point
you could wake up which meets at any point you can turn your point
if the direction of flight
that's the story
you know that's the essence of a story of ugly battle
some of an unbelievable was a massive river he was on a spiritual path
and he had a strange spiritual teacher who
he said well the way you will
become a completely realize be
is he need to go and kill one hundred people he cut off their fingers and make a necklace of their painters
it's a under the apologies
mala and fingers
the for this garlic fingers correctness
and he was the vast murderer who was hated a cheered
he came to a village
where he had ninety nine and
decided this guy the buddha was gonna be by hundred
so he heard louis area to keep
looking for it came up
behind him
he said be shared that stuff
and boot it has walked on an uncle boss started running after him
good it is up but it seems like the matter how fast on the followed her hand
he could catch
good to see patterns and walking for
and
it's you know he said once again
stop for the reverend month and buddha stock children so i have stopped already quite abuse that
and with that
he woke up
he actually
he became a month
he repented of projections
he actually ultimately became car
and key
also did not avoid his arm
he he transformed it in some way
shortly after he was awakened he went back to his home village and
he was recognized and he was stoned
by villagers even though gives a month
hey he cried out to buddha to help
barrett
a baron
this is
this is the fruition of your fuck you have to bear it
but he did survive
so
even a mass murderer
ha upon awakening understand to choose
good traits one
that's that he gets the radical
that's the radical nature the
for us
at least in our tradition to this surgery
when we look at our lives we can see our karma unfolding
head generally kind of the more to did you are
the more aware part of yourself
the faster
that karma will
come to fruit
so you do something
if you're awake if you're mindful that result will come relatively quickly but it doesn't obviously have he mean to come for very long time
but it works out and again what the buddha says is
there's no point in trying to
figure out all the strands of causation
the bring batteries
we can't know we can't know our one
we can picked it
ha
and the essence of that repentance is just too
it's late to renewing our vow to live in my life
you know that there are things wrong
our packages
and the vow to review our sources
so that's what we do
but
i just sort of lay out also
as he said he states in one in sutra i just quoted what these various sources are there actually
in the suitors are also five he doesn't the five contract process which ought to be the which which operate in the physical and mental belts
they're called neon us
and so there's
physical inorganic the obviously
when to read seasons
there is a feature piano which is the order of seeds for germs so physical organic so you have a grain of rice
you don't get
an apple
that's something that karma that's some erosion
healthy your meta
the news karma
ha
there is
there's several others including consciousness that including kinds of natural phenomena that that cause their tweets
so these are
it's just important to remember that all of these things are operate as causation and they're all operating together so when something happens it's not necessarily a matter of human agency were certainly a personal reasons
so to get to
elizabeth question
ha
there's not a lot of talk about
collective farm
the researchers but there are examples of
it's very interesting story
researching this switch to something else of writing
late his life
there's a very it was a complicated
conflict that arose between came up the
porcelain is actually a large
he
he harbored a very strong as it gets the showcase the buddhists
play who are actually start small
clan cheap and with smaller cousins
him
the buddha
heard about this i went to the border between shocking given customer
sat down there to intervene
in the war they sleep
it was beautiful story he sat under a dead tree
i'm shocked
can keep the data came up to him
can be his army was there he came up
well this is the street provides no faith please come and sit on the why banyan trees
my side of the border
and
kim said
it's very cool to sit in the shade and points team
i was removed by this
way back to his can turn the respects the arms went back
and then after a while he thought about it he got pissed off again can make up the army's out kids came back and food was to sitting there
and you to again
back
the happened the third time
the first time
the buddha saw that this war was inevitable
and
he sat there
smoothies are he sat there
had watched the shop you tribe
be completed by down they've gone from history
that photo
and
he got a terrible headache
which is interesting
it's free
he was plagued by headaches than the rest of his life
it's also interesting so
but what he saw was that this war was inevitable because of the karma
because of karma of the shock kids who add in another
incident not long before and i haven't got this story why this happened but they poisoned all the fish in the river
i think essentially to deny them to to him so they killed all the fish and that was the corner that
set the stage for
so they were wiped out
and that
the discussion in commenters gets kind of life
but how we like what was happening in the hebrew scriptures that probably roughly the same time but he was sure
hey like
so then the and speeded out of these posts loops back and they can buy the by the river that night and
a huge torrent comes up and most of his own he is wiped away so this is
this is an expression of collective farm
this to my understanding and there's a really interesting quotation which much speaks for both of them
guess this model
a lot of quit and i know a huge time
yes
in the story in this story is framed as a result of that action
and none of this stuff you can't pin this town but you know in the buddhists notion the world is the whole world is alive with interconnected and in ours it is too
when there was agency that i don't know
but he added
we could this is this is exactly the realm of on clarity yeah but isn't the difference is that the to disarm paper napkins yeah they're malicious single right
and that can if you have to try her you want to have a tsunami every one pound that was astra with them
elected
ash so this is that's the way i think about it but it's really not susceptible to strict lodge
what i wanted to save so the human part of it is more
is more clear but
really
not necessarily mean they're voicing the fish create karma
and
ha
we can see one kind of agency or another fad of agency you can see the agency of the of the natural world where the agency of the human world and in a certain sense they're not necessarily distinct
it's it's hard to say but what the movie this quotation from
ken jones
a
a writer engaged buddhism
i like this this is institutions in society at large are shaped by complex conditioning forces such as physical geography of which karma of their members is only a part
and social dynamic is more than the mere aggregate of individuals
but is expressed through cultures institutions in social structures
to emphasize this point it is more accurate to refer to societal cultural
so the intent of past generations
remains embedded
in the inertia of cultural norms and social institutions and it's eroded more or less slowly by subsequent generations that makes sense
little piece is ready full of life
but you you could say
for example and actually it is really interesting book of
on the
ethnic struggling former yugoslavia in crops search
each time when when that struggle emerged what they brought out where miss that were hundreds of years old
ha and
those miss you know in sort of
a psychological terms were a way of transmitting
corner from generation to generation
ha and those myths would carefully taught
character child and so they were continue that they were consciously nourished
that to my mind falls into
one
and we're all affected by this because it affects the way we think if defects dynamics of racing our society it affects the dynamics between other people's in conflict remember world
and
he said
again said martin luther king's if somebody somewheres gotta have enough sense to break this g breaking jane
sent me to him but not so different bars are safe
i'm not going to continue
this cycle of violence
the psychopath
or or hatred he has to stuck with me
in order to turn and that will turn this point
so that's a very rough way
social
collected
hans
but

the other person places

students

possible

yeah

that's
the point purpose
is really
to take responsibility for yourself
that's
that's the useful aspect
to see your eyes
is
really the realm of metaphysical speculation
but to ask yourself
how do i take responsibility
this is this is very interesting question
and
ultimately
that question was gonna new
you're gonna get into question will what do i do in this world
hideaway
take care of the book
how is my responsibility
and that's where it starts to go africa and you've been a huge can't arrive in any
eighty one fixed idea
ha and it is if it'll be good now to move into the precepts
this desert there's a logic to that but
i think so long as each of us is looking at us
in power
conduct in the world
then we are trying to attune to
yeah

enough to believe it not that
they're not interesting position just

using professionals

what's important members
then
situations

well i'm with you
ha kent
all like this
i don't i try not to spend on them
i think it why is this happening
but will lead them more telling questions the this is this is this in
the same question is not why
but how
how do i act in case of this how do i
the bodhisattva vow to which next was to save us to beach
so how is his most is more important question
which is not to completely
dismiss
having a planet having in the else what's some time
but
just to know that back and asks kids
it's of you
it may or may not be accurate can a beta
i totally stories nine
is a taoist story which you've probably heard
very early it's from life
two three two hundred you c
farmer
has a hoarse voice friends way
navy's coming to
oh terrible deadlock
harnesses means course comes back with like meeting a bunch of other hoists he was it's hope that wonderful luck or so maybe some photos for the at also again a promising baby so was mr ed
the farmer's son
that's riding on these sources since really sources gets up and one of those races
leave such all bad luck
in war breaks out and they can script all the able young men
but not the farmer's son so this is constantly unfold
and if we get stuck in one view
yeah we try to lock it in time you know it's it's quite apart from
ha
how that's going to unfold thought
nonetheless
as humans were really turned inside out five
the suffering that we see the work and if we're not going to try that
china

i was thinking about what you're saying
were saying is this
harlow installation
classic books
special services account carries account and it it all balances out person
seems to me that's not the way
so that tom beliefs
the
has probably done some bad things
the nice list
during this period
and maybe no more than you yeah i just i don't think of point is that anything that happens is because you've accumulated
i think point is just look cause i'd say you made your little maybe maybe you can only be first maybe i've never had it with that
but there are going to certain point
and that's not to say
try to action but whatever actions from to engage
just remember also in the in this is from the suitor and guru says
about things have come arriving suddenly due to the action of another person
yeah you know so that has nothing to do with your actually here just the victim of it
you know which doesn't have to do with it cause necessarily the that you have created you know it
this world is full of
victims of other people's quite conscious wrongdoing delusional
and they're just victims of in that sense that wrongdoing delusion is not it as forest a experience is not a whole lot different than the sooner
you know if you're the victim of the holocaust
or of no war in rwanda
it's almost as if that was a force of nature that people who are doing that are going to improve terrible corner

this situation
like
right in
are there are ideas
change
the books yeah about a specific x based out of your actions and example in some says that if a woman has a portion than when you guys a sustained period
hey if you're a murderer guy are snail because snap
so here he was so what does that mean that snaps from verso is a safe to it becomes very bizarre yeah anatomy as total vote for and a pay and and i also feel like it's a way for people who look at before on unfortunate people work
for people who are victims and playing them and say well you know the zircon somehow because i'm passionate something terrible like this title has his verbal situation thanks
a terrible person that translates to me i just you know i mean i i think
i'll tell if harman is sometimes used as way to try to piece came
to make the world central makes sense and wrote something
make sense
also i'm
seeking out help
have miles
bathroom
what about yourself
this was yourself there's a lot to push still so but then he did get there
the incarnation as ireland he said he didn't say there was no selfies
it didn't make each other or not
it depends on what you mean by self there is no permanent self that's my know who like soul that's between you but he wouldn't say was it was self when when confronted on that directly he remain silent
because
ultimately there is something that functions
this is a selection of
aspects in you know
ability to
function said that all work together that we for short and wholesale
they are way you want to
really redefined and turn them something that of that gets tricky didn't talk about recruiting for reapers
ah but there's tremendous ambiguity
ah
and there's a wonderful future of the kalama sutta
where which where the buddha themes fugitive climb this he said well don't believe anything
because the teacher said because when book
or solid movie
the only thing that you should trust
is your experience
you know that you something that you prefer for yourself you know so
you can from it in others can confront their
it's tried is hopeful that
i'm otherwise unfortunately to find your child in a bucket of plug
we can confirm immediate assistance but what we can't get from is
when you do something
that's not right
something comes back one way then that's that's pretty clear
talking about children focus to know whether it is
he it's like as as can jonesy and those those those children also
the product of social forces that's another form of position
ah but i remember very vividly type
jarvis masters on israel
and time

as the way to the teacher
guy can save a lot when he came to say to the jarvis and companies what he said was
i don't blame anyone else for institutions that us
he wasn't seen playing yourself he would say take responsibility so i think this goes to work application that that it's it's a matter of causes and effects so what were of the house the practice is degeneration of all
she causes
regardless of what offense for experience
the practice keeps pointing us towards
living in awesome fun on expect and that is the generation
i think we should stop for few minutes
the sea borders let's take a break that five minutes
back
move a little bit egypt precepts