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so what i'd like to i'd like to have this be more ah
interactive and i'd like to talk about val but first i just want to see if it felt like we were sort of on finish in the morning and i wonder if there were questions that had come up or things that were holding over from the session then
things about
save the body
or
ha
before buddha's were enlightened they would the same as we enlightened people today are exactly of those as those of all

purchased it just doesn't seem so mysterious to me
to win him alone one time saying we are the ancestors who can make sense to me without us you know keep practicing
currently this fascist silly
is keep carrying it on
know maybe i'm missing something you've got to figure away your kind of like corrosive i think or even though there may be
a weird aspect that i think that we do like that for granted i mean we don't
dogan or whoever edited that
we're probably more in a context where people did sort of think that buddha was like a god or even a superhuman only came along one service trillion years and that kind of thing and i think this even know
you know if we think about food or we might think well he was probably an extraordinary got we don't think that it was like something just dropped out of heaven it was we go assume that it was that he was just you know there's ordinary guy who
unusual
so they are other and so it's it's not that we don't think
that's so much
i mean there's other aspects were as a practical purpose we might think oh gosh those guys
here's i would never do that editor
so on but i don't think we i don't think we really think that there are a different quality
it just might think well not that tough but it's i'm still a human they're still human
does anyone have a
contrary point of view
guess i'm trying to contribute or there that was probably my favorite line which but line we just read that you know ancient people want people to
we have friends
the partners whether it was where enlightens they weren't the same as we a lengthy oil today are exactly the lives of all that time soon some fattening reading because i think that that's it
as the human condition is to constantly idolize the golden age of the pass now we're always doing that every society always does that oh people off hundred years ago or so much better at the sandwich my bed alone and we are today
that in that
that's kind of way
a to let yourself off
facing realities and present and you are in fact the same human beings as be over two thousand years ago
gillett the same problems just in different circumstances
i'll take a
create with was concerned for letter i think there is a contrary
step two add images
i don't really hear people that are car community right my jennifer
as a kind of mystically radically
so there's some fond of you there that i don't feel
carried out like mit up
and
never
a style of writing in the past which is different from right today or kind of paper
there's also remember asking social life so why we don't right collaborates for the president like there's
some talk of rewriting the rules of practice for a contemporary lasting situation but and such as answer was well you can't just write come on
and and a when i wonder why why you can't because it seems like some of the this those stories had an origination somewhere is there a way that we could be
as a
this community
exploring cohen's that somehow resonate with our particular
conflicts through mental struggles now if we wanted to do that seat
the whole idea of sort of docusign and private interview is a relatively modern idea
ah and of question in our traditions also gotten highly therapy therapeutic puta sized but will that that's not relevant but on the cons are all taken from what was called public record or public cases
and most of these dialogues and and have used if you read stuff from the tang dynasty what was happening all the time was at the teachers were meeting publicly with the students
how can they weren't meeting necessarily one by one one not one know me that might have happened sometimes and some of the coins are like that but a lot of them are
public records so if we wanted to do this
what would be really cool would be for
ah someone to take notes on shows on
you know because that's where co on material happens
ah so
we don't we don't we consider that confidential but then you know there were records captive
they will replicate kept of these exchanges that were enlightened experiences you know somebody was noting this down or or making him up
so that's just a thought that that occurred to me michael wagner
what it was live is a thirty three hands or something years thirty three fingers yeah michael wingard compose the book of modern collins but allow them were drawn from literature from literature and
you know they were pretty cool but a call on to me is like you know i i play this traditional music
and
the irish tunes their appalachian tunes their tunes from ah the a go back to the couldn't even nineteenth century or earlier and the reason that they've survived is that there's something alive in that too
you know it's not like you could just go and right as you could and some people are writing to instead will that will last melodies that will last but on we also have this record
because it's been sustained in an oral tradition in the same way that the client of steam in your oral tradition because there's something really fundamentally human and alive in them so ah
i don't feel that
we're not doing it it it may be more that would not recording
i would also add that i think in the past
people's lives were not so sure drowned out by media and other entertainments you know so when you wrote a song and or people sang songs regularly that was how they entertain themselves at night after dinner same concerns or whatever playing games
can a dog and for example he was like he is writing
there were other writers round that that in that time you know made more of an impact because there wasn't an internet or mass newspaper printing continuously everyday so much material
well in fact it did he did
he was his work was lost for something like four five centuries until it was but someone had preserved it at a heavy hand in a couple of other places they had saved his work almost as relics
and when they know when they found it dates like whoa what is this stuff
ah but
it wasn't ah
we have a cult of dogan that did not exist in the fifteenth century
at all but i will we've got it now
well he was alive
i think he was probably just a local teacher
b l hoop
for me i think yeah if he had influential airs
ah and you know he built what's now you know one of the
the headquarters of soto zen but then it was like yo he picked up from ah
he puts his beautiful monastery on the outskirts of kyoto and it was so much sectarian strife that he just he just packed it up and moved it is like moving it to the wild west is like taking a wagon train to some distant place the it's the equivalent
flint of that and in fact in the first place he just he practices it was the some some tiny temple in
actually and province and then he built his monastery and even then it was kind of modest and now it's you know huge in the asia year
but i think that his influence was was extremely limited but it was very influential on a few influential people so the institution actually was built by ah his is the second disciple
kazan
a joe kaeser is a right measured the third the third yeah something like that anyway
the older and he built his institution in yokohama
yeah which was which was in the heart of of an urban area rather than in the hub and that the second get the he is a risky as such so gg yeah yeah i don't have to keep pet a temple before so gg but he was the one
that's beds prisoners as as kind of having found in institutional
soto zen and as the rest of the buddhism and since research
in orochi it but you know laurie nice pepper from tassajara and some few because are there is with from there's a reason we stopped
we stop with case and because there is the gazan is the last of the common soto ancestors in the lineage from there there's tremendous amount of bifurcation
and you have you have the you have a hazy
you have the ag school and sog school so for example
suzuki roshi was an ag monk and my zoomy roshi was so gg monk and there's there's there's not much difference because minor differences so lineage keeps keeps on
keep shifting so when you go to a horror and he knew how many have you been there
and i don't know what what did you guys can't a whole temple lineage at a as a feel tender right so there's the whole lineage which continues from case on up to would be up to my zojirushi or be up to ah
suzuki roshi the last ancestor that's passed away and those lineages are are different
and so tassajara you do the whole temple lineage so the whole temple lineage thin and with our which and real suzuki
ha and are can pull lineage would would also in which and rio suzuki future he did if we did the whole lineage but ah what we're doing is the common so told many a trip that that makes sense to why this was ah cannot for me is i feel too
results one i feel very inspired by this
which this is by despite the kitchen anything
come sample cinema because it feels to me like is talking about practice
he's not talking about
he's talking that it's as easy to
fossil fuels and consistently perkiness
she just walking in the path and said considering her preface
pay attention to ourselves from working on time
how wholesomeness whenever that we have kept me that is possible has to be the same
on the yeah there there anything that he's not setting up anything glorious same thing he said they were just people who practiced on the touch so if you will have to solve the phone
right the ideas practicing not achieving anything but any kind from look at mississippi emotion he didn't write anything he gave some toxic i've written down but he's our ancestor oh yeah so i feel really like the we can practice life suzuki roshi and be inspired by that
so on the one hand i feel very inspired on the other hand when i got my lineage paper when i got our days and some i mean at the bottom up
it was freaky
because i was seen
my name and all his other names effort on my guy
it just felt like this awesome responsibility and then i could i didn't know if i could ever live up to it now that made me feel like whoa really totally realize african
so there's pills that hole that if i really want to walk with the ancestors behind the ancestors i have to be as dedicated and so that's kind of insulation
well this is what
this is at the heart of this piece by
ah by sojourn roshi
this is we allow our karma
then we knew our practice by reciting the names the buddhist ancestors and the precepts
ah

you're acknowledging the stumbling blocks that you keep putting in your way from begin with greed hate and delusion it's all about stumbling blocks and how you obstruct the way through your my karma
we want to go somewhere but we're always putting something in the way
ha
he says how do we deal with are stumbling blocks or our problems one of suzuki roshi main teach it was faced the problem you have just deal with the problem you have and that is practice
practice is to acknowledge the stumbling blocks attorney in your way and deal with them as you know suzuki roshi would say the problem you have now is the problem you will always have
ah we should be grateful for the problem you have because when you change your problem it may be even worse
he never talked about being good or bad
or right or wrong he would just say your problem is your treasure if you didn't have a problem you couldn't practice
so that's what that's
such as gloss on at the heart of
ah what dog is talking about here this or
both
face vow intention
which means dealing with the hard places in our life
for me that's really keep it is
come back on time to
hi
this idea that somehow and i worked with my problem or practice diligently whenever i'm going to feel good in it
it's earthquake like in other respects bizarre a reality shift and suddenly i have a wonderful sense of peace
what what i
it really kind of honing in on is the section in italics if is a saw that
this life
and
to my ears relative the relative around
i know why the body why not the mind are the harder
and you know first this life and then many lives so
annie lives actually appears with or life appears three times
in this section so it reminds me of dogan seconds practice and enlightenment or not to and i like it because
in the darkest moments most challenging to to come back to to just show up
and practice is enlightenment and enlightenment is is just he's just hey there
it's not a thing
yeah
so it's not a i guess what i mean my head is not a question of whether you know duncan is a genius who the real as a genius and and what am i it's more like i need to be one hundred percent me russet and got man on pressure on the weights off my shoulders because it's just about me and and that's why we need
verification of that that's where we have all these enter relational practices right right so one of the things that were you started his
we have this problem
most of us have maybe
two or three you can hope
at ah
are deluded thinking is constantly going to have the effect just clear this head of the way you know then everything will be okay i had a saying that i used to ah
ironically say i'm hoping next week will be better
ah you know we just clear the sound of the way that everything would be okay but actually we can't cleared as a way because it's it's like
crawling up a sandbank or something you know it's like we're we're
our handhold and then we're pulling them all the sand on top of us ah so how do we
live with the sand coming down the should coming down all of that how do we live with this problem and problems that we have
and you know the buddha had a lot of problems you know if you read the suitors visit the early policy to site
one person after another has given him a problem you know it's like every encounters with like somebody's kind of a pain in the ass ah and he's just he's not trying to get rid of them is just actually trying to meet one by one until actually he
died
you know when he died he had a problem we had probably something like food poisoning ah and he had an infection and he was you know really really sick and lot of pain and he dealt with that and let go
ah can we do that

so so well as bleeds for me actually where i wanted to go was actually was to ask
ah
andrey as this morning ah when we're talking afterwards said well this is a
duggan's universal dharma vow
his entry into his vow his gate into the vow and i'm curious
what do you all think is the meaning of valve what is it what does that mean to you you know in a personal way i mean it could be you could say what your vow is but you could also just say what you think vow is in the car
context of our life and practice

it's commitment to me so you have the faith you gotta have faith and have vowed
have your attention
get attention to nothing
i can't
it's interesting that the that the route is the same route as the word vote
i happened to look it up this afternoon ah
yeah you
sell feels like it has a spiritual feelings me or a deeper school setting an intention
how self had set an intent of i said his intention i i'm an outcome have to be a buddhist descending attention i wanted to improve myself i wanted to be here you know kind of person whatever but there's something about a valve
that is that sense feels to me like it's connected to i want to walk with the ancestors of when i want to follow the the way so it's deeper
connected to something bigger than me
i wonder if it's related to
when we say we swear something or been further i don't know it like said birkin
the flower tree like greek mythology
somebody
for promised new something and nice say well you swear it moving and with the swear means is that you're invoking a horrible punishment if you don't do in a and so then you can really trust that this person would never dare go back on that
because there's something magical it is is invoked something that will be a horrible thing and again that's a different term but i'm wondering if the your origin of the word val isn't something like that like
i'm gonna do this and year
there's nothing gonna stop me because
you know you're sort of create essentially creating and not an obstacle that you're creating some horrible thing that will
he's wearing will be swear to tell the truth and in trial he swam bible brett said that's that
well there's something in origin he had lived it's interesting characters are there is one of the senior students that it was talking about as you were planning the next aspects of practice period and i was talking about living with vow that person really was uncomfortable with vow
for i think
the reason that you're citing was that it is it evoked for that person or this side sort of like squaring of the breaking of the vow
it implies a a really bad repercussions ah and
that you know if caught me by surprise but i hear it
someone else
if
so i think of a sounds acre all seven and may be big enough that it includes our foibles when you take this stance
but it seems like how we want to live our life to me sometimes public he said such a hurry
can see the attention
it's like in the moment what i intend to give but i want there's something about attention to that has come like and out you know my a trough
you know it fascias school seems more whole and fuzzy like jerry the same tumors intention
and they get a moment it's it's
it's what i'm doing but if i look at intention and a bigger way it seems like well in of shaped me police in times
yeah over
i think of out
as invoking a kind of way in whether it's a vow with another person who are within a community that there's the south-south of us night
if the other people don't know you've broken your valve and certainly you have karma or the river spectrum or whatever tech wreak havoc internally is a stumbling block to me it seems to have more than an individual characteristics yeah get you get that's really helpful
what i remember when
i was working when i was first or date is a priest and i was working and wedding ceremonies and ah than lorien i had our wedding ceremony that that rubbed his and the
the ceremony and not quite sure where came from mere conferences if you are she that that sojourn in red do it includes precepts as vous but it doesn't include the kind of ah the vows that were used to in the way
western tradition
ah you know the vows were you turn to each other
can make vows and when i started designing a wedding ceremony my feeling was this is missing
ah and actually it's the piece that was missing to me was you you have you had these bodhisattva vows and sure like accountability to the universe
but you had never actually turned towards each other and said how you're going to be accountable to each other
so i think and i think in a sense this relates to what
ken was saying but with a in perhaps a less dire context right ah hey you to be breaking an oath or vow you're accountable
you know in some cosmic way something's happened but actually if you're talking about vow in the context that i'm forgetting your name debt that you're that you're talking about
these are vows that we make to each other
get fit
i totally see what everyone else is talking about also become accountability and
classical our you don't fulfill your value be punished somehow
but i guess from a buddhist perspective when i think of all i think of
save on be and turns of feel like
now means
when
check i had his realization of enlightenment and saw the suffering and world and said i have to say these people because so much pain and with that sort of eternal you see something horrible and year held eternally
do something about it that's i guess what i think of as thou
but just some yeah there's something vast about serval helping you're compelled yeah my circumstances to escape but there's something vast about foul or if i'm reading i'm thinking about this in reading section of show cuckoo oak moore's book so we take ah
ah
at the end of this
talk has we did at the end of the talk this morning we take the for bodhisattva vows right
beings are numberless i vowed to awaken with them
delusions are inexhaustible i vowed to end them dharma gates are boundless i vowed into them good his way is unsurpassable i vowed to become it every one of those is it to park proposition
ah and between the first part and the second part
there's a complete impossibility
you beings are numberless okay if they're numberless how can you awaken them all every one of them in every wanted him in bodies a contradiction
which
ah which opens up the scope of what one's one's valleys
yeah pathetic paradox is why i'm not
with antifreeze demolitions about okay
because it seems it seems to to fuss island to dualistic to equate it with the promise of the future
and and there's the there's at the paradoxical nature of the voice i'm about that you can never actually save innumerable beings if you'd never exhaust inexhaustible delusion
but
if your sense of a vow is to renew itself moment by moment by moment by moment it takes on this enormous quality is vast quality think you're you're you're talking about yes you will never achieve it and that's the point the point is that you it's more of a vector than a promise well
let's yeah let me we find that a little because we had a discussion about this and have a discussion about this the group had with a
bernie glassman
ah rosie or no yeah he's roshi down have his asturias buddhist identity to some degree but he still sees things to the buddhist lent when i was in santa fe the the last week root for and what he said which i thought was really
a interesting was ah
he has no he tries to avoid expectations
and the same time has goals
so there's the distinction ah
he doesn't necessarily x you don't you so you don't have the expectation that you're going to save all sentient beings but you hold that goal in mind
you hold the goal of those vows in mind as a place to to enter your activities can you enter those activities without an explication of their fulfillment i don't think i would have it only take exception with the use of word goal because i think it conveys the
medium because that upload said that suggests to me finish line is a cafe if i if i made a vow to go north where would i get there
whereas if i went when you arrive back where you began well maybe you that is that an hour
and whereas of you can use that you sort of fundraising goal of ten thousand dollars done
it's there is though renewing nature that they be
the cecil and the endless nature of the gives the word richest to me
well i think it it has to do with how you how you think of the word going in his case he had this vision
which came in the course of his
ah life which was suffused meditation ah of feeding all of the hungry people in the world
that's good know like the bodhisattva vow that was his goal he knew he couldn't do that but what he tried to do with to plunge into that in
ah it is thorough away as he could so it it just a question of how we old
gold some degree if you have a better word i'm i'm open to it
but anyway a kid
well i was for what vince was saying of apple valley as on his thoughts
thinking they're it
it is response to something are full of units away
not succumbing to despair so i vow
ah
moving beyond perhaps your an immediate emotional response to something and renewing your intention or whatever enough so that you don't become bogged down by
karma
wet
let me just point out in the a cause you got gunman vow occurs once and it's the second word of the text
and here's so so like this is tokens universe disturbance vow so what is it it's actually it's it's actually
the first
ah the first proposition
we vow with all beings from this life on or i vow with all beings from this life on throughout countless lives to hear the true dharma boom that's it
that's the vow that he's making everything else is commentary
on what that vow
what that vow implies what it means where it leads in terms of our our thinking and our action but the vow is to hear the true dorm
right will end that upon hearing it will do some other things as well that's the effect of having taken the that the effect of having taken a vow is that upon hearing the true dharma
then will be free from doubts and we will not lack and face and that meeting the true dharma we shall renounce worldly affairs and maintainable good drama and that in doing that the great earth and all living beings together but within the food away so it's kind of snowballs
vince that's a complicate things packed
in two indian hindu philosophy which
comes out yes
there's this long-standing notion that
there's only one theme
humans are looted and believing their separate entities
and that therefore if you're coming from that background i'm thinking that perhaps
it is possible to save opinions because you saved yourself or you say one being and you have saved up if there is only one
i'm just try that concept that there may maybe an explanation why some of these vows seem so
yeah possible she is pursuing thinking of the money
western
way but i think one of the to me one of the radical functions of buddhism
ha
it's it's really interesting to me and as this is just my idea ah
the one being notion of indian philosophy was also want that in social terms ah
plete social determinism so if you want being then you know okay actually i just been reading about this so that the brahmins were born from the head and the gadgetry as reborn for the heart and the of by shutters are born from the armed and the shooter as the servants
born from the feet and the untouchables are not even like on the map so all of this is the country the constituents of the one body ah and of course if that's it it's like you know your your feet your foot doesn't know revolt from your on
ah the buddhists notion of
ah to me what's radical at the buddhist notion was actually posited he created a context of one body in terms of saga but within that he posited a kind of radical individualism that you estate
dabbling wish your value as a person according to your thoughts and actions so you are not locked into gender caste occupation language group drive et cetera
and ah
that was of that are very different
it's a different proposition it's a different way and there
once it got to china and east asia then ah you had a kind of
another perspective which which did have this kind of cosmic a mistake
vision but that wasn't so deterministic i guess i'm not i'm not really a friend
yeah
whole atmosphere of like dish after you know everyone is christian i revision or whatever
spiritual i don't know and and today the pervasive universe
and i i guess thats
and what pm measure fence reminds me and some years ago i had a lot of conversations with a and vedantic philosopher
if he was sort of trying to convert volts and vedantic philosophy oh we're also kind of trying to figure out where about the diverged from buddhism or having were different in what are the main thief
and i'm still not sure if it's actually a difference was that
in the data they're sort of the concept of keto
like you're talking about which is a being inserted the ground and then it isn't my understanding is that ground is emptiness
so adamant no offense a real difference the was thousand or what i came to at that
if that time lords conversations and
as i related to that are therefore net what you are talking about me think of is
i i can come to think of and at least the vows at the precepts
as sort of an acknowledgement
oh
this is i can i can think of a good way to really say it but if you don't believe you're a separate entity than that sort of an acknowledgement of what's in your own best interest
that makes say it again so if you don't if if you don't buy into this delusion that we are separate okay then thousand least that she serves to me seem in a way just like an acknowledgement of what would be in your own best interests and so it's and i
i haven't i've had a lot of trouble
taking the precepts because i was raised very catholic and i didn't want to take them on my the ten commandments didn't you know and so that's one way of thinking about them this helped me to hold them in a different way than sort of this very judeo christian ideas like
be punished
do this is kind of like i mean it in a way you will have it is just because you're not separate
the
i think the precepts are
the precepts are all about
how we are relations between each other
and if as a teacher of mindset if there weren't any people that wouldn't be neat precepts
ah there they really a map for relationship
three so it keeps reminding me of her
for a couple things one that you was working as chaplain
just to get certified as chaplain to do the work if you have to do a lot of on
with difference in terms of religious expression on religious expression support and if i get hot and an idea to anything i can't serve so
so one of the phrases like manco she is being one with which really resonates on the amish and precepts and house is being one with the buddha in line with the time and when we do the attainment ceremony but he sent the satellite know who
rather than looking homage to his the one live a magician for be something in one so being one with that energy that i'm not separate from time energy and i very much with that too
with russia young for coming and a very actively maintain engineers practice and also resonating a lot with christianity in swears that saw what we have a label for that than that resonate with have that and i'm also
zen buddhist hundred and as such a me there's something about
being nonlinear is is being one with you know like when we
fill out the lineage chart it's a bloodline that goes all the way back to shocking buddha so it's like where's isn't linear and down to me and oh now i can't the lineage for worth it was just that the why is it back up and i remember viscerally drawing and my hand was on the shape
because it's a bonding experience to be one with i don't know what this has been a feeling in every cell in my body else and sometimes values like for key and so i really have words for it
there's something to me about now this
plunging does it feel so when we started sewing when simba's start sewing with with blanche hartman
ah
her translation was normal of of moon chamonix bhutto was
i plunge into shock him many buddhists now murky with now appear due to right
so i don't yeah matter which was which was but it was the act was plunging into which makes good sense as you're sticking a needle through the through the cloth and bringing it back up taking taking refuge with every stitch vietnam cuba to get
story on that vein you know there's this famous statement by eugene debs i can't remember all of it's a free part saying but to i think the first part of something about
as long as there is poverty or something like that i'm with it i believe the second to r as long as there is a criminal class i am a team as long as there is a soul in prison i am not free so or
i like this and i think it sort of opens up here because think of what he's doing there
oh he's making a veil of sorts i mean he's in fact he's not even saying i value that is if i am not free if some one person is in prison but what that's implying i think is not
ah it's not like a distant goal or anything like that it's like him telling himself i will remember
and i am not going to like if somebody is saying we need to put so and so in jail or those bad guys are worth of laugh i'm not gonna think out and say oh yeah of course we need to do you know that's gonna be a little trigger in my head
you're talking about me right not just those supposed in bad guys over there as long as this kind of situation exists i'm guilty and if there's somebody in prison
i'm not free and it in an industry where i mean it's not exactly like he's saying i'm going to abolish all prisons ice that square of their i'm going to do this although that's obviously the goal but it's like
given this situation
i am going to tell myself and that sort of like a repeating things like with you every day i am going to remember that i'm with that person in shale i'm that i've ever made the so it's kind of a i and i'm sure that
he never heard of the bodhisattva vows and things like that but it really reminded it as a sort of secular version of
you know something that you would say to orient yourself and to remind yourself
i think it's a human perception that cuts across industries i think what would you use the impact across all faith traditions it's a human perception of non separation ah which exists in all traditions and you know it
so let's remember sake we thou i i i vow with all beings to hear the true dharma
ah so
i'm here is you know i have an idea of what that means to hear the true dharma but i'm curious to hear what what you think in light of what we've been talking about what is the true dharma
well i don't know if this goes to it but i've been thinking
i really like flicking sent by the way of i think despair and he that's really really true but there's something about like and the marriage vow it's like you play your trough which means if you take it apart it's like you put your truth in jeopardy to the bigger truth so i mean it's kind of like fast
a true dharma you play year troth with the true dharma and you putting your own individual
truth or dharma or something in jeopardy so there's this transplant minimal what what i'm trying to get it this transformative quality to them vow i think to their it's like you know when you have your marriage as your transformed into a different part nourish type of person who has like we talked about in accountable to this other person
and so in a way where accountable to all sentient beings when we we've put our our own individual
story to the to the bigger story you know we let it we let it go into the bigger story and and we lose control of in and away or something so in marriage were
we vowed he accountable to each other
ah this is the way i've been talking with a lot of people
with other teachers about the meaning of a a student teacher relationship and to me a student teacher relationship is the at the core of it is mutual accountability not a one dimensional one directional of an accountability but how
one where
teacher and student are accountable to each other which means that their positions shift
ah and this is something that sojourn talks about indirectly at the at the elvis lecture ah
he
he says dogan talks about turning and being turned
ah the essence of the practice is to be turned and in turn to turn
when we are turned by the dharma dharma is a strong position and we're in a flexible position i don't want to say the weak position it's not that you're week it's simply that you're flexible
and when when the strong position where yielding when the dorm is strong wheeled when we're strong the dharma yields and to me that's it that's a map also have the kinds of relationships certainly relationships that i aspire to and how
we are connecting to each other
because had no one point does any one person have the market cornered on wisdom
ah there you know every one of us knows pieces of the world in a more intimate and thorough way then
the other people in this room and in that realm
ah
we should be able to pay attention to you and learn from you so you're in the turning physician or in the teacher position but in another can always wait if we change ah realms then somebody else has the ah has the
wisdom
so ah
that point to this question of ah be vow to hear the true dharma
ah it's not like i vowed to read the book that has the complete truth and get it or vow to ah submit myself at the feet of you know this all knowing woman who are who has all the wisdom collected it's like
like
we're
we're is the truth right now
and can i see it and hear it
and also
can i hear it in myself
if i
come to an awareness that ah that i'm kept into something that is really true and basic
then can i hear it and can i say it

during the third paragraph seems to me and mississippi
guess
they they share with us their compassion which is the boundless universe with the virtue of their enlightened teachings but an ancestor's a whole lives we need penetration from the distant ancestors rehearing good as an ancestor's can we are in london and latin script and sister awakening voting mine for yeah
yeah like gets advances point to sell
there is something about his process of listened
the very nature of listening
and awakening to the teaching or paying attention
and that practice possessing right that's right and anything before it i got from juni was communion which is not one that missoula
that's a religious term is determine i think it's in bend war a by dogan nerve imperceptible mutual assistance
ha which i think is also there that sometimes the message is coming it's fury it's a very quiet signal that would just barely hearing but it's it's helping us
and that's we don't know where it comes from
the whole thing because we have both mine
right or
radio is able to tune into
in christian lines the small right that there's a great song ha in old time country musical turn your radio on

turn the radio i listen to the music in the air turn your radio on and the glory share
turn your lights down low listen to the masters radio
ah getting ah is it
ah
get in tune with god turn your radio on you know i actually think it's the same i think it's the same same i get him
so i then wondered
baby i'm just in there doesn't need to be it i want to i wanted
cultivate skillful learning or discernment yes for there seems to be a good job
you to listen the gets curacy you could play
suppose is that's right and you can be fooled by that that our understanding practice is practice cultivating skillful learning and scope of the sermon this is why this is why we do this in sanga and in community yeah oh obviously a whole community can be deluded that nobody
that that of that can happen ah jason
johnson does have you been ill lots of lots of groups but what we're hoping as if we're actually supporting critical thinking and not a
some given set of beliefs then ah hopefully people are friends can point out when we're deluded we will do trust that and of course sometimes i can go wrong but so far it hasn't gone i
haven't felt gone to wrong if ah and you was have to trust your own internal ah
in your and taught do you have to trust that small still voice saying
no this is off
and explore that it may be go elsewhere to look for people to raises questions but
this a good place to stop i think and would have liked to do tomorrow
look will work with this completes so so this this text goes a lot because cause quite a bit farther into the question of repentance
and it would be good to explore why it does that and what we contents means and guys have to hand out and so is this section on read the section on repentance from free
no the show haku the whole thing i think the section on repentance is it begins with and at the beginning of the show haku pieces