The more you scratch, the more you itch. The more you scratch, the more you itch. Is there any escape? That's very dangerous. I think you feel, you feel at that time, you become, looks happy, happiness. You feel very good with your scratch, but this feel is really dangerous, that's one of, one of 180. What is scratching and who wishes it to stop? Nothing, nothing to scratch, nothing to stop, scratch, nothing to stop the scratching.

[01:03]

Thank you very much. Katagiri Sensei, please settle this matter for me. Settle, settle this matter right now, settle it, all of it, settle, settle all of it. What have you to hold back now? What is? What are you holding back? Nothing. Who are you? I don't know. I don't believe. Thank you very much.

[02:08]

Katagiri Sensei. What is the most important thing for you? What is the most important topic in epitomizing the dharma? Summarizing, summarizing dharma, what does it mean? What is the most important topic? What does it mean? Rising dharma. Summarize to? To rise dharma. Very difficult other word. Essence. The essence. Essence, essential dharma. What is most important topic? Oh, I see.

[03:16]

Go back to your room, wash your face. Wash your face. And what will that do? What will that do? What you are doing? What will that do? Just wash your face. Okay. Katagiri Sensei, that's a hard act to follow. And I just, I want to thank you very much for making your best effort here in Asoshin. And I think because you were here, I was able to exert a bigger effort than I have been during this training period. But one thing I want to know is, when does Asoshin end?

[04:20]

Then when I leave Tassajara, where is my practice? We will wait for you. To give a good chance to practice. Any special way? No special way. Katagiri Sensei, I am still living for self. I would like to live a vow. Of course, that's idealistic, but some change should be made. Could you suggest something? Nothing changes. Nothing changes.

[05:27]

I shouldn't change my life any? I can go on the same? I have to change my way of thinking about things. Nothing changes. Nothing, nothing changes. Just, if you want to run out, run away, please wait for yourself. Step by step. Thank you very much. Katagiri Sensei? How does my practice and experience of Zazen benefit all sentient beings?

[06:39]

Before you think so, does Zazen really benefit to others? So, when you think so, the moment when you think so, it's no benefit. It's no benefit. Okay? Thank you very much. Katagiri Sensei? If you rub two sticks together, you may get a fire. Stick? If you rub two sticks together, you may get a fire. You mean, stone? Stone, stick, you may get a fire?

[07:43]

If you rub two sticks together, you may get a fire. I understand. Oh, I see. I understand. And you, could you explain one more again, please? If you rub two sticks together, you may get a fire. What's happening? What's happening with you? What's happening? What's the matter with you? You have some fear? You have some treasure? From this? Not fear.

[08:45]

Not pleasure. What is not for me to say right now. I don't know. But if you rub two sticks together, you may get a fire. Do you think it's important thing? I don't know. Please leave them without using. Thank you very much. How do you feel? How do you feel, sensei? This is a very serious laughing matter. What's the matter? Laughing matter. Very serious laughing matter.

[09:50]

How can you live? I've been trying to figure that out. But it seems like I've been doing it. Doing it even though I don't know sometimes. Do you know that? Do you know how to live? Do you know how you can support yourself without nothing serious? Without something serious. Anything serious. Be careful. Thank you. Thank you very much. How do you feel, sensei?

[11:15]

How can I be a real human being? How can I be a real human being? Kill yourself. Kill yourself. Kill yourself. Sensei. I think I've seen you somewhere before. Maybe we're related. Can you tell me who is your mother? Mother is...

[12:21]

The other day... Before the other day, she came to me. Talked with me. Go back. Back to the universe. She has gone. Do you miss her? No, I don't think so. I don't know where she has gone. Does it matter? Do you think you'll see her again? Did you say goodbye? Goodbye. Snow covered everywhere

[13:45]

and closed the road to Tasaharu. Trees were fallen down on the road and shut out people. Mountains were broken loose and let cars to be stalled in snow. The bank of creek was destroyed by the heavy rain. We feel it has taken us long, long, long time to be free from these obstacles. But now, everything goes well as if nothing happened in the past. We have realized that there are nothing to find but green lush shoots

[14:47]

on every branch of trees in the morning sun of spring. What is the teaching which has not yet been expounded for man? Not this is mind, not this is Buddha, not this is things. When we meet, the time to drink a cup of tea, drink it. As we encounter the lice, take this food. Coming across a tiger, what are you supposed to do? We are willing to go plunge into the tiger's mouth. May Buddhas and Patriots have ever-benign

[15:50]

and cheerful compassions on us and all sentient beings. Have ever-benign

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