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Illusions of Perception and Interdependence

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The talk centers on the nature of perception and interdependence, emphasizing that perceptions do not occur in isolation but are contingent upon the confluence of conditions and karma. The discussion explores examples from Buddhist texts, illustrating the concept of perception using metaphors like reflections, mirages, lightning, and clouds, which are all used to demonstrate the illusory nature of phenomena. The dialogue transitions into meditative techniques concerning the realization of emptiness and appearances, underscoring the importance of compassion and empathy within these meditative practices.

Referenced Texts:
- Samadhi Raja Sutra (King of Samadhi Sutra): Used to illustrate the sudden arising and dispersing nature of phenomena, akin to clouds forming and dissipating in the sky.
- Kamalashila's Writings: References to this scholar's ideas on the mind's nature being expansive and how karmic seeds influence perceptions.
- Venerable Arya Deva's Instructions: Cited for the understanding that all perception is an illusion and that realization of this can lead to enlightenment.

These works are used to highlight various aspects of the perception of reality, interdependence, and meditation instruction in the context of Zen and Buddhist philosophy.

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Examples of the period of examples. Examples of just being discussed about the reflection of the moon and also the, what are you called, which is flash, like colliding flash. which is called the lock. And what is just end of this saying is the lining is just because of the instantaneous of the lining is just because of its gathering of all the consequences of all the circumstances of the... the moisture and the heat, the cold, and everything.

[01:01]

Therefore, it appears the lightning, and if there's something missing with that contribution of causes, and then the lightning will not produce. And similarly, the perception that we have a variety of types of Perceptions are when the karma legitude, which is the karmic illusion of all these combinations of things together, then we have perceptions of perceiving and experiencing. If some of these are missing, then perception will not occur to us, right? And similar to that, it matches with the example of these reflections of the lightning and moon reflection of the water and also these circumstances.

[02:11]

It completely matches with that of the actual meaning of the perception. And furthermore, which is The word truck means some sort of grasping or stealing or grabbing a nature of that. But it's kind of, here it's kind of, does not, that the particular sound of the meaning of the truck does not match with that illustration or that following. This illustration does not completely match that. attraction, maybe kind of attraction, so maybe attraction from the attraction ways, then could be following examples of kind of matches. And following examples are talking about the, here it says, in the southeast of India, there is a place called Sherekela.

[03:21]

The name of the place is called Helikala. In that, there is a sea or lake. Sometimes toys can be translated as sea rather than ocean. Ocean is like a yato. In a sense, it's a bit different between the ocean and the sea. lake would be a little smaller, so they, it's called, like a sea, like a bay. And there is, looks like a saying is that the name of the lake, the sea, is called Krikela. Krikela, double K. How do you pronounce that? Double K. Kaila, right? I don't know if today it exists or not.

[04:27]

Maybe some Indian scholars could have pointed to us. But it's situated in the southeast of the continent of India. However, the story goes like this. At night, in the midnight, Samoa, the night, when there was heavy rain, falls upon that sea. And then in the morning of that, following that huge rain in the night, following that in the morning of that, which means in the morning, next morning, Namgala, above that space or the sky, without When there is no clouds, like tonight's clouds, tonight's weather, like deep dark space, instead of above the sky, when that is clear, although ordinarily in the dark space we will not see anything, he says.

[05:43]

However, at that time, It reflects the sky to the sea. Because of the reflection of the sky in the sea, And then you can, people can see the inside of the sea that you can see the city. You can also see the towns of the cities and also horses and elephants and all kinds of things in that vision kind of generates there. There is some kind of The circumstances of the lake maybe have not been rained that night, or maybe the sky is so much clouds or fall, many would not occur, these visions.

[07:00]

So that is the... the attraction of the Chogba, the one example of Chogba. Likewise, the Hindus, not only known as the religion, say again that our perception is doing bad. If one is missing, then that would not happen, occur to us. So what thinking that then? one should convince, one should relate to, for example, to your own perception and to convince yourself until you can get some comfortable, rely on that. So maybe it's some kind of, you can meditate on it.

[08:04]

So the meditate or you should educate yourself because the nature of this whole perception is just it's just not independent there is not a solid permanent independent existence or nothing is all merely is interdependent correlation and it's just that if one is missing their own work. So up to that makes a whole and the examples that are given, eight examples, a popular examples has been given to us. The Chogba is one. Chogba is, if you are understood of pronunciation, writing down, they are reversed. By the way, yellow, Let's take a pause here.

[09:09]

Pause. Pause. Pause. story about the reflection of the, uh, uh, things that appears in the sea is that, uh, the ancient time, the, uh, there was a king is, you know, there are names of, name of king is called Senketawa, the moon lion, lion of moon or something. Lion moon or moon lion, whatever you get. Uh, the, with the world, that group of people, uh, when they went to, uh, Kachara, uh, So one day, this king and his group went to the Kachara, and the Kachara, all that thing was reflected in that sea.

[10:19]

And then people, that's what we saw, The city of Dardini. That's another kind of example. That is kind of... Some of the... [...] It can be possible to translate a holy name, lion. I thought lion is true sometimes. I mean, no, it sounds good. Yeah, somehow.

[11:24]

But it can be also translated as a lion. So it was named. named after the name of the king. He had the name of that lion. So the lama was saying, you know, it is very, very, it matches with the name of the sea and the name of the story of that king, the lion king and the story of, so that's what taught us. Now the next one is the Tishe Tengil. This is the city of Gandharapang, or the smell eater. This is the smell eater. Tea means smell. Thumb eater, eating, smell eater.

[12:24]

This is the city of Gandharapang. Some people might want some people who have some kind of sight ability to see from the distances that many human being kind of society or gathering of of a city and such as horses and elephants and the eggs are possible to see it. And when you see it and when you go there, it is just nothing there at the distance. And then it goes a little bit farther.

[13:28]

And farther and farther, the things are, you know, trying to actually get, there's no way to get to that, to get there. And when there was something, it's that hard thing that, the illusion about that picture, then it goes off. Modern time is, these are kind of really strange about them. For us, it's like a television TV. It's a very good example. When you put the, you know, this TV has a lot of mechanisms inside and the lights and the thing. If the light bulb is out, then TV wouldn't have any pictures. If they pull out the wire from the wall, you won't work. But it's a lot of, you know, things that... are put together, then we can picture and picture can solve.

[14:30]

And that's the best way to simulate it and relate it to that. So likewise, not all the variety types of perception of this is just like gathering all the things, wires and the electricity and the boxes and the other side of there is the channels and antennas and waves and so on and so forth, similar to that. So therefore, again, that was the number four, right? Number four. Thank you. Is it number 4 right?

[15:32]

Number 4. Tokpa. No. Tokpa is 3 right? I think it's 1. Ok I've got 3 right? Now the next one is the ding, which is the cloud. These are kind of very simple, but we may as well leave it. The cloud, just like appearing, certainly appearing, groups of clouds in the clear sky. And when it appears, at the time of the appearing, it does not come out any directions.

[16:45]

If you try to find it, there is no place to, you cannot find it. Only you can point it out east, west, south, north side of direction. But actually, you know, it comes out from the ocean, then goes into the space. And then finally that says that the clouds will go away, disappeared somewhere. So it is just not, cannot find the place where it was dissipated. It just, when there was a kind of moisture of the steam over there, and in that period of time, you can see the clouds. And when that is finished, that dried out, and then it just goes away. Therefore, your perception of everything, what you see, what you hear, what you're feeling, everything is, that's all. It just pops out. And when the circumstances comes out, when somebody says, ring the bell, you can hear the bell.

[17:54]

When it stops there, it just goes warm, and it's all troubled. And it's just like that. Like that. Absolutely, there's no absolute meaning. There's nothing that exists in any situation like that. Just like that cloud that's come out. if there is no combination of the circumstances combined with karma, that would not happen. You're not going to be born here. And that's why we understand that. And furthermore, It's stated from the Samadhi Raja Samadhi Sutra, or the Mayan Sutra.

[19:05]

Tingzin is Samadhi. Gyalbu is king. Samadhi, the Raja Samadhi Sutra. Just so you know, but previously what we've been talking about is repeated here. Just likewise, there was space where the sky is clear and there was no clouds. And then suddenly the gathering of the clouds, the gathering of the clouds popped up. So therefore, he says, the Buddha said,

[20:20]

and also the new phenomena of the knowledge of everything. All these phenomena should be understood in this manner. Then again, Gamala Shila. Gamala Shila was a very famous pundit who later came to Tibet around the 8th century. A Kamalashina. And he was very good at color. The example of showing of the clouds. Mangatapu Simlas, he said, the mind is in the nature of like a sky. It is almost like a seed. to generate it with a bad place of karma, seeded.

[21:35]

Therefore, because of seeded karma in the space of a mind, then it generates the good and bad and all the feelings and everything. Jachun, which is the rainbow color This one.

[22:48]

By the way, this text, what we were reading is the 10th habit of the world monastery. He's a very good scholar. He did a lot of work. He did a lot of work. He had a sadhana with six sessions of sadhana. Now, the sixth example is the Ja-chun. [...] Zha-chun sometimes people turn into colour.

[23:53]

The colourful things happen. What happens is the sun reflects the clouds between the black clouds and the shadows. The shadows of the clouds reflect the sunbeams. That's why I have different colours. Between the shadows of the clouds, when the rain starts, then the sun deflects, then the rainbow rain, the color appears. That's called Jatsung. That's why the type of beautiful, beautiful, wonderful colorful thing is I've been seeing from the distance or even from seeing away from distance, miles, you can see it.

[24:57]

If you go close to that, you won't see anything. Likewise, all the variety types of perception that you feel everything, it is just like that. Your nature of the mind is just like being inside of the space. And within that, all kinds of combination of karma is mixed up. And then the karmic of the good and the bad. The good karma is like the light of the sun. And bad is like black clouds. And that all kind of reflects and generates the beautiful world. Ugliness of the feelings, ups and downs of feelings, some of those things are generated. I'll just turn out to the Navas.

[26:02]

If there's something missing there, what happens? one monkeys, and it seems, feels, all kinds of things. If it is not gathering all circumstances, not there, it happened, and that would not have happened. However, if that circumstance happens, at the moment of that happening, it is also a nature of God's emptiness. And so at just the moment of that appeal, perception, proceeding of the moment of that is at exactly

[27:19]

is the empty. At the moment of the empty, I miss that and then at the center is the appearance. So empty and the appearance is two in one. At the moment of appearances, you experience the empty. At the moment of emptiness, you experience the clarity. So therefore, we can understand that they cannot be separated, actually. They are interrelated. It is that kind of matter of justice that happens. Therefore, it is a kind of playing both together. So you should come to the conclusion of that nature, of that, and then meditate.

[28:25]

In the process of that, the realization of that appearing under emptiness, bread and butter, clearly And then you stay there. So this is relaxed. Relaxed. [...] And then the jig was going on afterwards. Then it was a conventional. Conventional. [...] If the eyeballs are not, if something is missing, you want to see. If there is no objects, then you want to see. In the moment that you perceive... How they perceive is, there is almost no...

[29:43]

There's no any kind of silent... Independently, they are not coming. Independently, they were not coming to you. But they were just... Because of the contact components of particular circumstances, the time and the space is gathering together in general. When the time and the space and all kinds of causes are not lack of it, then it won't happen again. And so that's why it is just merely it's so-called emptiness. So you can understand that intellectually, that's not the same as directly perceiving emptiness. No, but not your existence. You should, on the beginning level, we are saying is just at least you should educate it that way. And then you should just pause in that meditatively. Pause your mind. Right. And then the conclusion is Zhoa Munshi-jie, right?

[30:44]

Zhoa is the application. Munshi is the steps about the meditation. And then the jie is the following conclusion of the is to share the merits. Zhoa Munshi-jie. So in this way, this piece of sentence is very important. The higher level of meditation and compassion. is compassion. The Tibetan word for compassion is also chanba and ningji.

[31:49]

Ningji is kind of more empathy or something. Empathy or ningji is kind of... One is feeling removing things. If you see that somebody is suffering... then you feel something, pity, and that is called nyingji, and to try to remove that, that is also the type of compassion generated from your heart. This term is called, anyway, that is called nyingji. Then it is chanda, is you feel something happy, and things are very happy, but that you want to transfer that to somebody, give it to somebody, that is called chamba. So loving kindness. And you can love, you love it giving to somebody, it's called chamba.

[32:52]

And if you take something, bad things out from somebody, that is called ninji. Chamba and ninji is slightly different. And ninji is karuna. So if the Chanba Gomba, meditation on the compassion, and the meditation on the empathy, is the biggest, two big things, meditation, this is the biggest meditation to start. And it says here, it's called, two types of this meditation is objective, objective is that you are meditating, not for yourself, but to somebody else. That is the objective thing. And that's somebody else, which is, here is, again, the mother sentient beings. And the mother sentient beings who are enjoying this karmically bewildered

[34:06]

a bewilderment of the situation of their life and their entire current existence of that, which the illusion, such as that those are the examples of giving, such as like clouds and rainbows, and that the mother sentient beings are completely confused, themselves into their reality. But the reality was there was no actually entity or there was no solid to be grasping or nothing there. But because of that, confused, and he was trying to grab on it so hard, never doing this. When you hold that, the things that are is not real, but the misunderstanding of that is real.

[35:08]

Although, what is that mother sentient beings are holding to is not holding to... Actually, fundamentally, they are holding to their own conception, which is very strongly based on illusion, right? holding that very strongly, and then you generate the Ning-Zi. Ning-Zi is a kind of empathy, right? Empathy is generated because the empathy is usually generated from the negative forces. In this case, the negative source is the sentient beings are confused in the nature of the conception of identity or the state of mind and the product of mind.

[36:23]

The state of mind holds it as true absolute truth and because of that, then the product of that mind, which is also concentrated as real. And then there was a dual aspect of soul, and there's expanded so much concreteness is there, building that mirage, all this Miku and mirage, everything is built on that, and then drill in that, and so we always like, and then we just meditate, and Meditation is that. With that, then you can meditate, yinji. And the tunsam nam for yang, which means tunsam is the in-between sessions. A session between the sessions. And then also one can furthermore reinforce your knowledge.

[37:28]

is such as all phenomena of the samsara and the nirvana and the appearance, the emptiness, and everything is samsara and the nirvana of the old dharma. All phenomena are just like illusion or emptiness and appearances. It's just a matter of emptiness and appearances. You always try to recall, recall yourself, recollect yourself. And then after you usually do not have any projection ideas or acceptance ideas, after you come to the conclusion of that, highest level of samadhi or the realization of the nangdung gyuma it recollect as the nangdung gyuma and then you don't have to think about the root never any kind of

[38:52]

You don't have to go through philosophical argumentations of rejection or acceptance of any philosophical things. They do not be complicated. In other words, don't be too complicated. Just relax. And relax in the manner of the magic. And then when you relax that, then All the necessities of the auspiciousness of the things naturally are gathered towards you. All the necessities, activities of all the longevity, your will be longevity, all that kind of things comes naturally And the goddess says here.

[39:59]

Do start to happen once you just generate, once you generate it, once you understand, meditate first, meditation sessions, and then in between the sessions, reinforce yourself as aware. whether you go and then you just do that, and so you carry that philosophy, the final depths of philosophy, carry that, and then eventually all the things are loosening up and things get to you without effort. But that's not your objective. It's not objective. That is the byproduct of your result, yes. Exactly. When you have all the nice stuff, it makes it even easier to find cities.

[41:04]

Yeah. Furthermore, the Venerable Arya Deva said in his instruction on the self-generating of the blessing, Everything is the emanation of the illusion or the gyuma. When you understood that, then will accomplish the enlightenment, if you understand that everything is magic. Nothing but magic. And then, therefore, once you've thought about that, you can restore the environment, naturally.

[42:05]

Those who are the yogis who dwell in that manner of the illusion, then the gods will also protect you. kumata-biting-jiji [...] kumata-biting-j It will also provide all the desirable objects. All the provisions would be found without effort. That's great, right?

[43:05]

Okay, we'll stop here.

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