in a mantra-like way. It also means turn the words back to their source. Feel the source of the words in you as they physically arise. Okay, so the more you enter this non-conceptual, when you first start practicing non-conceptual monk, There's this kind of scary feeling of entering something, I mean, feeling your way in the dark. And so think of it as moving toward less distinctions or moving toward more distinctions. So the practice of non-conceptual mind is to have a feeling of moving toward less distinctions, kind of inner silence.

[01:05]

And this can be, again, kind of fearful. Because we're used to locating ourselves with distinctions. But what happens when you enter this kind of non-conceptual darkness? You feel a kind of, again, streams flowing in the dark. You can only do this with a deeper and deeper deepening trust. Trusting in things as they are.

[02:16]

Trusting in four elements of the body. Trusting in the way the world passes through us, through our senses. And what happens? A kind of order comes up in you. Strangely, in the dark you begin to feel a kind of structure. It's like, you know, say I'm blind and it's dark. So what do I do? I go along. You know, I start feeling structure. You see what I mean? A structure that arises experientially and not conceptually. It arises from experience.

[03:30]

Experientially, not conceptually. You almost feel a kind of geometry. And the teachings begin, you see the structure of the teachings. You see the structure of practice. You begin to feel the structure of the world. A kind of order. And this is inseparable from energy. And now this is a kind of energy. So you've entered another territory through practice of experience. where a kind of fundamental order appears as a kind of energy you feel flowing through things and through yourself.

[04:30]

And strangely that energy is a kind of chaos. And then you're back again to completing a kind of, there's a potentiality always drawn into order. If you look at the leaves falling, so many leaves are falling more than at the beginning of the week. You not only feel the energy of the falling leaves, you feel the whole play of energy that's going to make more leaves fall. The pond is not only energy, it's extra energy floating around the pond, making the pond the pond. Because Taoists particularly like to go through the big things in nature. Like the mountain at Crestone.

[06:04]

Or this valley in front of Crestone, which is the size of the state of Connecticut. It's not just that the 14,400 foot mountain has energy. Or this vast valley, which is like an ocean, which the mountain pops out of. It's the... The valley is constantly being made by energy. It's more than just the energy of the valley. I didn't know something like that. It's the best I can say. The mind is constantly making energy and I don't know, something.

[07:06]

So now light is some kind of energy, not just neutral light. So from this emerging in darkness, which is sometimes called in Zen dying, darkness that arises through practicing non-conceptuality, through moving with trust into less distinctions, you open up a kind of energy that's the order of the world. And now light is inseparable from this energy. And light is activity.

[08:15]

Anyway, I think Shido is trying to say something like this. And I told Angelica the other day, We're seldom more than a minute or two late. But chaos is set in. And now we're eight minutes late. Eight minutes for eating. I mean late for eating. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you for being patient.

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