October 26th, 1973, Serial No. 00226

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The talk focuses on the relationship between faith and doubt in Zen practice, the practice of the Six Paramitas, and the specific nature of Zen meditation (dhyāna). It examines the role of faith as foundational to Buddhist practice and how it transforms over time into direct wisdom (prajna). Concentration (samadhi) in Zen is discussed not merely as focused attention but as a profound, undivided engagement with reality. Finally, the speaker reflects on the communal aspect and the social impact of Zen practice, emphasizing the importance of Sangha and the transmission of teachings through direct contact.

Referenced Texts and Teachings

  • Six Paramitas: The discussion explores each of the six paramitas with a specific focus on dhyana (meditation) as synonymous with Zen practice.
  • Eightfold Path: Right views and right understanding are highlighted as the initial steps leading to the development of wisdom.
  • Dogen's Teachings: Emphasis is placed on Dogen's view that Zazen encompasses faith and is central to practice.
  • Abhidharma: Referenced concerning the role of faith in wholesome mental states.
  • Prajna Wisdom: Described as direct, incontrovertible understanding beyond mere intuitive insight.
  • Five Powers and Ten Powers: These are identified as necessary for the progression from initial faith to perfect wisdom in Buddhist practice.
  • Zen Concentration (Samadhi): Defined not as fixation on one object but as non-distracted engagement with the entirety of existence.
  • Four Boundless Feelings: Compassion, loving-kindness, sympathetic joy, and even-mindedness are explored as characteristics of the Buddhist experience.
  • Suzuki Roshi's Legacy: The establishment of Green Gulch farm is connected to Suzuki Roshi's vision for a comprehensive Zen community practice.

Specific Concepts or Practices

  • Faith and Doubt: Seen as intricately intertwined and essential for realization.
  • Karma: Emphasized as an unavoidable consequence that underpins ethical practice.
  • Social Impact of Zen: The practice’s transformative effect on individuals and society is explored.
  • Transmission: Personal, direct transmission of teachings within the Sangha.

This summary reflects the academic and practice-centered discourse characteristic of Zen teachings and underscores the necessity of integrating faith, doubt, and direct experiential understanding in the path to enlightenment.

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During this session I've at least finished one round of maybe finished one round of talking about the six paramitas. And I've And we've tried to look at sasheen as a practice of the fifth paramita, dhyana, dhyana, the development of samadhi or concentration. and defining Zen as maybe being synonymous with perfect wisdom but the form of our practice is jhana so we are called the Zen school but Zen as the fifth paramita is a specific practice mostly maybe something we do in sashins like this

[01:34]

And yesterday I talked about practicing Buddhism was something like falling in love, because when you decide, when you really recognize that you're in love, is when you're in love. Before that you aren't. It's when you, oh my god, I must be in love. Okay, I am. That's something like what happens when you decide, I must be a Buddhist. And keeping out attachment, there's some other similarities. One is everything changes. Everything is the same to everyone else but is different somehow. Both love and Buddhist practice have their observances. And another I mentioned was that you are, in a sense, carrying something, but it makes all your other burdens lighter. And I don't know how to describe that sensation, maybe, of carrying something.

[03:12]

but it's... yesterday I described it as while engaged in the world, taking on responsibility simultaneously looking into the uncreated, the void, recognizing everything as an illusion Also, maybe we could describe it as knowing the great body of the dragon is right here. But you can't see the dragon. Just some raising of the eyebrows. Or maybe it's like faith. And so I suppose what I want to talk about today mostly is faith. That Buddhist practice really starts with faith. Whatever you say, you don't understand Buddhism completely at first. And so to practice it, you need

[04:43]

In fact, you can't really do anything without faith. You can't... If you have despair, you can't function. Almost you can't function. Your ability even to see the world is gone. Everything is flat and colorless. So any... Abhidharma system, any wholesome state probably has faith in it or is wholesome because it has faith in it. So I think in our practice we have to recognize that we are, we do have faith Otherwise you couldn't practice. And Dogen's way is to emphasize Zazen has faith. It's our whole practice. And you just do it, you know, on faith. But faith in Buddhism is not... You don't accept faith because of authority. At first, you know, you have some intuition

[06:16]

feeling but although prajna wisdom is translated sometimes as intuitive understanding I don't think that's such a good translation prajna means you understand things absolutely directly you know you don't as thoroughly as you know you have five fingers You don't know that you have five fingers on faith or intuitively. You know you have five fingers. So in Buddhism, right views and right understanding at the beginning of the Eightfold Path fully developed our wisdom, but in the beginning our faith, because there are still views or understanding. You don't understand you have five fingers. It's not a view. You know you have five fingers. So wisdom is not a matter of understanding or intuitive understanding even or belief or on any level an extrapolation

[07:49]

of some insight. It's completely direct, face-to-face, touch-to-touch understanding. There's no subject or object. So the whole point of Buddhist life is to, as I said yesterday, the samadhi is the clincher, or jnana is the clincher. It's that which makes your faith into wisdom, or it's that by which you make your original faith sure. So, in Zen practice, maybe the most important Maybe you can describe Zen as perfect wisdom. Practice is faith and doubt. So doubts are essential if you're going to have realization.

[09:21]

If Zen is faith and doubt and realization, realization comes from doubt and faith. Without doubt you can't have realization. So it's that doubt, that effort to make sure. The effort to know directly. without anything intervening, is based on some deep, not what I call corrosive doubt, but deep exploratory doubt. But one which is fully... I don't know. Anyway, faith and doubt are

[10:50]

can't describe the relationship but they're the same their real faith is doubt and vice versa so though we start out with some intuitive sense of that everything changes, that there's suffering, that there's no permanent self, no permanent entities. It's mostly a matter of some suggestive insight or faith and not

[11:54]

the surety that is comes when you're completely free from conflicting emotions from desire from restlessness and distraction so then lots of Buddhism is how do you how do you get from that point from the initial point the initial realization or initial awakening of faith to perfect wisdom to knowing for sure Prajna itself is reality in Buddhism and what you need to get from those two points are all of Buddhism the ten powers, the five powers, concentrations six paramitas, etc. Energy. You need energy. Of course you need energy and effort and you need some good, some conduct which frees you from

[13:26]

creating more karma. So first of all probably you have to know how you create karma and with some real conviction stop creating karma. See exactly what leads to karma and realize in this world you can't sneak by a few things no one knows about. that karma is something absolute. If you know that, then anything you do, you're taking responsibility for your karma that's not quite the same as thinking you can get away without the karma. That kind of conviction, though, you need either the sureness of prajna or faith to practice so it may be useful to you to develop your sense of faith, your faith by noticing how actually you are already full of faith or that your life, your minute actions are based on faith otherwise you couldn't do even the next thing

[14:59]

pick up something even just the idea it'll still be there by the time your hand gets to the cup it's some kind of faith just as when you can experience your energy paramita energy as a practice it means to not just know when you're tired or have extra energy, but that energy which is holding everything together right now, that you have a direct experience of that. So jnana or the four trances or eight trances or absorptions are not an end in themselves. I mean, they're not religion or truth or something. They are just a way of making sure. So we don't wait until you've achieved all the eight absorptions and are blissful

[16:24]

all-knowing, etc. I hope not. We'd have to wait a long time. But you start to work right away based on faith, not just on knowing. And that work actually is Realization. That work is your practice of the Paramitas. of giving, conduct, etc. So simultaneously you are trying to deepen your faith maybe and deepen your conviction. So we eat Sashin So I describe here Zazen The Zazen of Sashin as this and that Most of you I think don't have such good concentration

[18:07]

aren't particularly free from distracting thoughts or fantasies or whatever but you have some each session you have some more confirmation some sense of if only just a little bit you know for a few minutes in one period or two periods some sense of some concentrated state of mind where your thinking is disappears maybe, is your thinking is so smooth it doesn't... it's not noticeable as thinking. This kind of state of mind, completely realized, is maybe some bhagavad-gita, and this has some powerful

[19:11]

work in the world you don't have to worry anymore about doing anything because the activation of this of the strength of Zazen even a little I mean you can't explain even what happens to someone who does Zazen or a group of people that do Zazen by usual means what happens in society, what kind of people, what effect it has on people. It's not explainable. And it's not the credit of any group or person. It's the power of Buddhism, the power of Zazen. And it's the meaning of non-doing. And not anymore do you have to make any plans or do anything. Doing is smooth the way you're thinking. Your thinking disappears, non-thinking, and your doing disappears. Yet there's always doing. But it's very definitely not the same. And how deeply your doing reaches without any effort.

[20:37]

ultimate social worker. I've spoken about concentration, samadhi as concentration, and someone asked me about concentration, the same question I used to ask myself. And there's a whole problem with... You have to explore it whether you like it or not if you practice much. But we have a culture which has developed around a whole lot of ideas.

[22:23]

progress in primitive naturalness or natural self-nature to freedom. And an emphasis on physical freedom, the freedom to do things, rather than an emphasis on the freedom to think things. So we don't have much mental freedom, but a fair amount of physical freedom compared to other countries. social freedom of a certain sort but these words and then the uses of these words and the related uses of discipline and concentration are it's pretty hard to understand any you can be sure that any word of common usage in English about process or fundamentally descriptive of our nature or our world can almost not be translated into what it seems to translate into in Buddhist discipline and concentration.

[24:05]

the connotations of the words are so different. The simple idea of concentration, like you concentrate on one thing or you can concentrate. He's so concentrated on his work, nothing disturbs him. And shutting out other things. There is a way to practice meditation in which you do concentrate on one thing. But even that point of that in Buddhism is if you can concentrate on one thing, if you can limit your field to one thing, then you can remove that one thing. The point is not the concentration on the one thing, it's the field with nothing in it. So you can do that and then remove the one thing. Go away. But we don't practice that, obviously we don't practice that way much in Zen. Otherwise you wouldn't be sitting there counting to three. For three or four years. Or one. I think some of you count to one. But that's wonderful, you know, actually. If you count to one and two or three years later

[25:36]

count to one again, that space, or maybe to two. A lot has happened in that space. One is such a big number. It gets, as you know, harder and harder to count to one or two. In the beginning it's pretty easy, but then eventually it's completely easy. But anyway, we don't emphasize that simple kind of concentration at all. It's just there you are and what's happening. Because our Zen practice includes faith and doubt and all the paramitas, conduct, deportment, giving, non-possession, energy, patience.

[26:40]

meditation itself, wisdom. So we can't tell you, we don't want to say in Zen, do this or do that, you know, because then our practice is based on wisdom which does not have any particular thing you can say about it. but discipline or concentration you should be able to stick to one thing you shouldn't be distracted all the time not because you by effort can stay with it but because you can ignore distractions I mean it starts out very simply in your zazen you don't scratch this and that you know so much that at first is difficult enough particularly if they're tasahara flies But, so in your practice, Samadhi isn't the concentration of one thing exactly. It's the ability to stay with everything at once, all at once, without wavering.

[28:23]

thinking about something, wandering off into something particular that you could concentrate on. So as you... you'll find, you know, just as you must have noticed in a Sashin, that the way you sleep is different and that your dreams are a little different and that Suddenly you can keep a visual image in your mind and look at it. Your mind, if you, doesn't wander. And I talked about the wishless control center. And how you can then abandon that. Concentration is just a way, a word for

[29:24]

maybe non-distraction so you can have a direct perception, direct contact with reality and I talked about transmission and in Zen the whole process is transmission of practice, of the way you live, of your conduct it's Sangha-like We say, Tsukiyoshi always said, warm hand to warm hand. It's direct contact between us, knowing the dragon. Sometimes transmission is a raising of the eyebrows.

[30:55]

that direct knowing of each other completely so there aren't any more barriers between you and other people. We might say you start out with faith in Buddha, Dharma, Sangha and Buddha's recognition of yourself as Buddha. Knowing you are Buddha. Practicing as if you are. Knowing with conviction that you can realize this. No doubt there. Not going around acting like Buddha, but knowing with conviction that you can realize this. And Dharma then might be the practice of the parameters of conduct and morality or precepts charity or giving, non-possession and sangha then is the knowing what the lineage is knowing the mind of Buddha and the patriarchs and all the people you practice with

[32:35]

So even from our first sense of faith or recognition to our full, direct understanding everything else is our Buddhist life, our transmission, our practice are knowing each other. And so I would say, maybe if someone asked me, what characterizes Buddhism, or the practice of Buddhism, or what really is the experience of Buddhism, what is it all about? I hope nobody asks me such a question.

[34:08]

You can't say, but if you have to say something, it's something like love or maybe the four boundless feelings. sympathetic joy, friendliness, loving-kindness, even-mindedness, compassion, some feeling of affection that doesn't need any object or doesn't have any object or isn't conditioned by what people do, good or bad,

[35:19]

something like that. Certainly a sense of impermanence, not trying to build anything, hold on to anything, caring too much about anything, but that that's only to make way for the undifferentiated feelings of sympathetic joy and friendliness or loving-kindness and even-mindedness and compassion that sometimes presents or is expressed as faith, a willingness to go along with Buddhism, a willingness to go along with some particular person. As I said once, the Buddhist

[37:24]

golden rule isn't just do unto others as you would have them do unto you but it's also do unto others as they wish to be done unto you know, to go along with other people even if it's... So sometimes expressed as faith and sometimes expressed as doubt. And certainly Zen practice is rather strict. It's not just some love or good feelings. You know, we recognize from practicing samadhi, you know, knowing samadhi, what good and bad are. We know what those terms really mean in the world. My experience of Suzuki Roshi always used to be, he's so nice, like a flower. So everything, it was like sunlight was coming off him, the wind was blowing. But underneath the petals are these huge thorns. It was incredibly dangerous to be around him.

[38:50]

But you heal and it's all right. Anyway, Suzuki Ueshiba always used to say, the scolding voice, you should know the scolding voice. And in monasteries or practice communities in Japan for the first year or two everything is no, no matter what you do it's no, it's wrong. Finally you learn to survive in that, that's all. So you don't care. Anyway, sometimes faith, sometimes doubt, confrontation. any one of the various practices by which we try to realize the insubstantiality of the five skandhas of self, of dharma, dharmas.

[40:13]

I'm very grateful to have practiced this sasheen with you here at Green Gulch. I don't know what will happen to Green Gulch, but I have some faith in Green Gulch, the way I have in Tassajara. That we can perfectly use it for practice and for the benefit of other people. that this valley, that practice here in this valley, is already beginning to work. And that if we continue this practice here, with sesshin and zazen every day, and working and growing food, and taking care of this

[42:12]

place so that it's a pleasure to be here. It will have a great effect on people. And if you affect one person, you affect our society. We don't want some reputation just one by one whatever person you meet you treat them as Buddha and if they come here to Ringo or Tassajara, Ui give them the space and opportunity that their true nature demands that we should be strong enough and undistracted enough to offer in each circumstance to everything and everyone. If we can realize this, we will be realizing the true path of bodhisattva.

[43:39]

Suzuki Roshi called the building in the city, the city's Zen center, called it the Maha Bodhisattva, the great Bodhisattva practice place. And before he died, his last the quest about Zen Center's community was that we find a place like Green Gulch to complete Zen Center's form to make enough space available for the practice of this particular community and to be able to have different kinds of people practice together, not just people who can give up everything and go to Tassar, and that we combine practice with people, with the way we take care of ourselves, growing food, etc. I don't know how we were so fortunate to

[45:16]

find Green Gulch as a gift to answer Suzuki Roshi's request. But we did, and I feel some great responsibility to fulfill his wish here. And I feel this sashin is some powerful recognition.

[45:45]

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