October 28th, 2006, Serial No. 01046

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and would you be the guinea pig you can be the guinea pig sure
the not really
oh
we have to stand up
well you don't have to send of use the the sorry
so i would like you to announce the hydrogen
just to the way you do you have fun yeah
great wisdom beyond wisdom are to dry
this no been now the next day is to projected over there are went over there i want you to to to look at
john can see john view my guts
re wisdom yeah wisdom heart sutra
that's not bad but yeah the words are becoming more important than the sound
re the like this the most important thing in the world you'd want your say is the most important thing that's ever been said most important if you have ever send your life
most profound important thing you've ever said in your life
grey
we're still have near down here
re with them
re
our
okay okay keep working on it and i would like you to work on is the quality of of deep sound
strong it takes a while to build that up you know so i thought that was good yeah they doing very well huh
the concept is is there
so yeah she only said that the tokyo maintains at baseline based not a baseline but i mean by the baseline and is in the earth v eight f f like sat like the base
not necessarily low know
the mean yeah so related to that in terms of fighting
usually i start pretty strong by that had baffled verdict lead with the saga but i maintain the same let them blend with you
if you're the leader and if you blend with the saga than well who's the leader right to yet won't be the leader all the way through

so who would rush said
ah you
the the leader has was a tone it's in the middle so the people who chant hi can relate to that and the people who chant low can relate to that if your voices too low and the people who chant i can't relate to it and if you are too high that people in enchanted lau can't reclaim them to it
get a pitch that everybody can relate to whether the jan i love
so you know it takes a work it's can repay some work and our like to just continue practice out for training
so that them yet last i want to do this man a year from now new it again
i keep doing it consistently so
because i think the the holiday of our service
makes a lot of big difference in how people are inspired practice to be here though
ah and it also makes a big difference in our own practice how we do this so if we think of when we announced the sutra this is the most profound important thing i've ever done in my life and i'm projecting you know so that every them inspiring everyone else to practice
to do this then you'll be able to find a your own way
and the other thing besides some people have a really strong voice that the other side we are really sly way and it gets so strong that it gets
ha
a little out of
the range
so someone has a stronger you have very strong wise but sometimes it becomes it
so concentrated that it it's a little over the top so you have to be able to restrain yourself a little bit whereas the walter has to project himself a little bit you have to restrain yourself robots fighting a place where it really feels good and feels right
and anything is the bell
and
as i'm
i'd say
we never hit is if the whiteness of heavy beater know and when i do
the two things about sounding the bell i never say hit the bell sounding the bell is that you wanna keep time the bell is keeping time with the service which is secondary to the quality of sound
the quality of sound is the most important thing
with doesn't minimize can be keeping time with the bill but i just want to emphasize the quality of sound so that
a we were looking at the at the chart you know being day the and the quality of sound is lost so it it just going through the motions of something i want to go through the motions i want to sound of the bell to reflect the depth of your practice
it's hopeless he
no you don't have to do anything
no
no such you may get that while i while the overtones in are playing with each other and create a wonderful sound and you don't do anything with the lower un
this part this is high middle and low
if you want a high sound he used the top of him peter and if you want a deep sound you use the bottom of the beater just the way works but
the biters like this like there's a pen going through between my two fingers and
if you hold it tight you you you stop us out
at the same goes for the little bell
camilla belle people do this way in
but
just

now awesome should have yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah if you're straight on little
doesn't have any quality or color to it they want some color

and the quality of it she does the sound of the beater
hitting the bell
and then some sound comes out
you want to diminish that sound of the bitter contacting the bell and it's produced and just listen to the sounds produced by the action
so fang j area where wow wow a little cell phone while little sound of the bitter end but to so that it doesn't feel like you're hitting the bill just feels like
ah
as i were them
yeah hopping from one stone to another over the creek and it just real light you know president jim jim
the
and if you did all the bitter parallel more parallel to the bell
and it's easier to get a good sound

as a whole range of sounds you get as position really good bell you know and ah
in a garbage can lid didn't get a good sound out of to you know
it's true sometimes they say we get a better sound of a garbage can win
no insult intended
sir john you'd be if be the dawn
and need me to cook him
no i didn't bring my logo
but her real
well a yeah but it's better while i get it no idea when you just practice while i'm gone

i

our
help

okay
so
what a hard shooter well one nine bows
the then but just do this for service as we do it right and then the nine bows and and for her teacher
booth
oh you don't i'm sorry but we should have somebody else to it sorry who would like to
tech greg
and you pretty rough
as much better inheritance
when did you wanna do than about the nine bows and then
and and then go into the hunt such as we do
okay so

yeah okay

that's good that's pretty nice some then
that's good he puts his hand on it
the weekend reverberation okay so this will be the last bow when i can do all the right about that
last night
let you like

what you do that makes it know
did you see the angle
too much angle
well
look at what you doing
eight
she didn't mean it didn't take hardly any effort right it's a nice sound it was to be a little bit bigger but it's a really nice sound to it once more
yeah
little bit much more sound volume
no let's go said like two inches away and he was
oh
yes
now
yes so let's the the first bell and of the night bell is soft and then the next one is normal
i'm trying to that so this is the ninth bell
no
well
how like about know i'm just arguing about available i will bow because because behind the time because you know
i know maybe in the people notice you don't know it but
in the bow the doshi chance go up and then they go down and that's when you do the clock the clock is when the bell is rung in the back in the hands go down at hug
but the ninth bow is
day when it with the hands are up
mahindra i enjoyed times when you your friends with same time same thing
let's go appointment for a half
get your see
to i get some the one but you can can can you finish kind of sense the body emotions and they ever people do you know house
what
oh the shadow yeah some indication some there's some clue
now
just go on shape the bow down
she
the don't well and it's not adoption does she starts moving in and if i always wait for the doshi they must go she started going down as funny
i think you should do a little bit before
it's kind of the kind of anticipate you know
oh yeah i right just right as soon as the dealership
this some leeway in know it's not but
yeah so and you know what we used to say is that the people and and the sides would follow the doshi bout with though she said you just watch the person on the side because they're bowing was doing same thing for doshi know
what else can say i think it's
if you're watching if you're the dough and you're watching the joshi you're connected in know just looking at the bell and thinking it's time for the next fell from solid connection know that doesn't seem so i think watching for the first flight movement as what you're saying and then my question earlier was to bring
out allowed or sound
whisper with the striker cell clumps to the bow
it seems like a little well let me have has to go into that to meet yes i got but that's right there's some control and the whole body goes into it says you didn't know in the hunt with your hands then
that said that of the bell should come from here
so he a the the sand that the intention is going through your whole body and then and it ring and the sound you get is the sound you get from your intention if you're just doing stuff with your hands it fit miss so that the
a half senate passed a come to your whole body from here i wrote this is good man like takes the watch rod player goes and he he does it he like moves as five slightly and his i know he likes that and it works for me because it feels like
i'm really know
the girls right off the plane that's
that's i'm not saying that you have to do it a certain way i'm saying this is the way that works that i want you to do know if and then you know if you have your own version your own way of doing it worked just as well there's nothing wrong with that
but some people do them ocotillo the same way
com which is and i don't want me to do
you know it's like this movement you
is a dumb dum dum dum dum
huh even because if you use your whole arm doing that he played this is all its motion you know that's being wasted
he just didn't fit
basically you just kind of controlling it because it is about on pump pump pump pump pump pump on and the your hand is little different the beaters loosen your hand that like doing this the peters live five
there's the balance
your face as you want without any effort really
and there is some you know musculature equipment but if if it's a loose grip which a not a tight grip
so the same boat with bills it's a loose it's a loose
i'm
grip tight grip
know when you wanna start to sound of the bell you put your hand on it
did you so that starts on the vibes so when you're holding it tightly it inhibits the divine
okay shows up in the ninth bow okay

that's right

okay then such as sorry
before the knife now when the hands go down that's the cock cock but on this last one is one of forehead patches epidemic
head over the hands because the forehead and hands go up and same time and i thought you're saying it's a clock when the hands go down now clock
so there's a little bit of timing
that's what i'm only at israel was going to go up one
the he's talking about other other than the night bow
the seventh bow the first bow the regular vows as go to from right then when we get to the knife the bow scarves knife the forehead touches tenth go well it's that matter how you doing here you see the center of yeah that's right that's correct
for a difference there is yeah if the answer started as a difference i mean take it sound on the tenth or than a knife is his earlier crossings
is it is it's earlier because your hands or up
yeah that's right trip
the so this is going to be the

no
am i want she i want are you paying attention to me are you paying attention to the senate bill for north third to a little bit more vibe yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
okay i get a bar where are you i'm in and this is the first bell this is where the first now after yeah i just write again
little more sound
oh no
even leave more songs
yeah that's better and then the next bell
that's good and then
re wisdom neon wisdom hard to dry
ha
ah yes
now i want you to wait a little bit longer before you hit the bell i'm village and the bill
forgive his voice a chance to be solo ah i'm on the on ah so make it more dramatic the drama is gordon that that's what we're missing is the drama mentioned it
so lets the value to a car well
the just him you do the code
re prisoner beyond wisdom hard to dry
no
why is that is a daily right
la liga there's the you know and was there are laws that okay that that's pretty good for you
big bell big sound the you so there we get to the end of the job and we get a little bit it was well right
okay should got a god thing
yeah day
ah
hey ah me
i'm deserving everywhere and navy together with olives and me realize that the the way
no than three
no the
hi all the more sound ah mean
yet another one
another one
come when there's a lot that we're the champions know it's going to be louder
yeah yeah to be play yeah so you can get a lot of sound on of it but it depends you know in the morning when we're just beginning virgin the bill can be softer you know because we really trying to create a quiet lives you know
and
in a row when were january finish you know you can get big sound of a dining in japan the really hit because i'm a little bit banged they and that's another way you know but it's not our way it's great i like it but it's
yes
i i have a question on
the winter going to go she's up there and we're doing a little bell always there with some i wasn't dignity
i thought we wait until the doshi fauzi to that first team because it though she's not always with the champ exactly what's the answer no
we create regular same thing right here up
what time with them the hours partner at some girl she's never done their area so do we still go ahead with the bell yes because i'm not in sync with the bill at that point you just joined a new it so yeah yeah a little out of sync with the bill at that time
this is the way that it is yeah
that the time
yeah go with the up when a chanting second wisdom right specific
but this thing about to we always had those here to rio and ten
when everything's working right everybody's going with body and it's not a matter of one going with the other but so that's what i would like to work toward because i actually follow the bells more than lead them but sometimes
you should feel it and that kind of like i'm leading and i'm feeling like and following
so i think that that's good because we're both aware of what's happening
but i feel like i'm following the bills actually
the it's a matter of emphasis sometimes though i am doing the meeting
but it's mostly empower me
and i liked that i like you to follow you know go along with because i don't want is that there's a rhythm to things and i don't want to disrupt the rhythm i want to follow the rhythm and be part of that and if if i'm doing something outside of that
rex the rhythm
so did how long should you hold that the last syllable a seizure
ah we that's good know now it just like that
look
well
birdies
but then
well no then there's the app doesn't know the economic and a lot of last syllable was i caught your ethnic u s can went to the club no i'm not i'm not you should you know i manage the the year over the past the club some you know me yes the kochi holds that
past o'clock and that's up to them okay but it's nice when to tell doubt long and strong voice and then it really
you get the feeling of the solo and the to t and what will you know it's i always think about it
two thousand and one a space to the second person to talk to me that that way
a car you know echoes throughout the universe and you know e l beyond the end of the be in
well you carry the vibe around with you all have been
yes
but yes is the tokyo carries carries it and then we all come in
when you come in
should yeah but went with where the coquille cherish and think of into the future right now and and that's when we come in so the longer you hold it the nicer it is i mean job too long or but you can't because
you remember it so you have to take a breath just before you do that right this before you do the end
carry through yes yeah right so it went chanting breath has to be conscious you can't just you know you have to take you have to know where you can take a breath because i play an instrument you have to know where you can pay rent and are you going to make it
six weeks with various know but they have to march where the breath is in your mind playing i'll take a breath at the end of this phrase we pick out you don't take a breath in between phrases
like when you're speaking you know it yet autumn because we're so used to speaking we take a brisk automatically because if we know what are our mind some house
anticipates the length of our praise for and my mind eight and two sufficiently to my friend i just you know i didn't consciously thinking about a with but i did
because i knew how long that was gonna be but when you're chanting is different because is it
yeah you know when we'll protect everybody you know this is the end of the phrase and i'm going to consciously take a breath to be able to bridge that gap on the way over to the next thing so you have to plan out when you're gonna take that breath
to lift to that but first i want on
ah it's my understanding that the co-ceo maintains the sound and throughout one's services begun with a chat going into various echoes there's never any dead and know i'll never get there maybe of you have somewhere to camp but well as papa you have not everything
no not really the same time that's what keeps the suture nothing
the that's what is sometimes happens the days and around here are the sand okay in japanese you only have everybody was take your breath of the same place in the thing stops
so fortunately we paid present different tage know
answered at the end of the end of a chan some as will go down at yes an
and when we never do it never ever ever
no we don't want to go down and judge
i know what you say very
i laughed out loud pm with them down with
ah no einstein yeah some people like doing that for some reason and that's not as not
i wandered by just stay on-page the whole time
yeah
this just end with him just enter the beverage terrain we learned
or is the umbral star no no unless you're talking about dropping the pitch
you can trail is out of you want oh
last
i don't want you to drop the pitch
i don't know what else to do but i know because dropping the pitch you know i wonder whether it's i wanted the trainers just it's a pitch over if we if the tokyo's chandi too low then people can maintain that lower pitch for that long period and things are
no the if it's too high
people drop it and then they don't quite know where it is and then this guy doing this and she's doing that and pretty soon the whole thing that such as falling apart
we could
the next village real champ and co-ceo says this two to three virgin and six days we often buddha dharma sangha to all like very world where the doors were hurled into frequently when or right well that's a different i think that there are individual idiosyncrasies
you know if it is if a co-ceo wants to drop the pitch and the anderson the that's their thing but i don't want everybody to drop the pitch
right though cook your area i thought if you're saying you're f f
but they also it's see this is this is important because the co-ceo where the koguryo does is what everybody does so and here's another thing when the co-ceo of doing them
the echo and say
the
home all ancestors and
and then
well is it
a oh yeah they go a little bit you know then they come down it's okay if they come down to where they were but they never referred never forget where they weren't and they come way down here so that changing the pitch
and then people get lost
rookie
then people would be over or where's the pitch and i say that's problem that's why the big bro just
okay
but the congregation if also shouldn't drop the end of a chant no okay because i've always disappear only place i've ever heard that act and i assumed that you respond to job have one other question about the congregation is it ok to chant on the fifth term yes you can be a fifth apart or third
as long as you're harmonizing it's a it's okay the maritime is good base to harmonize but but what would offer we had dissonance so ah
the hexadecimal relevant and harmonizing is good yes
he carried decided i wanted to things that i noticed that ah my understanding is that when you're cocky up your india seen a specific chan and then the chance starts you should start that he actually said to cheers
some a lot of code is just a air times over i know that's in that's why we want to hear you say allah that's right that's why we carry it over and in the of doing their their solo and near me go right into it that's why i have to take a breath of the right place so he can do that
and then you start the chant right for the saga on
well if they get used to
going to wait for the cocktail
you should happen right
there isn't there a little bit of three economy i should be able to do it at the time that people are waiting for there's no way i know once you mean exactly by waiting he was saying people don't wait to do it
happy and
because the you didn't not used to decode you are carrying over that's right yeah if they were used to the character to that then they will come in with co-ceo
but if a coke if you go you have dropped dead have to
know then that are basic well i guess it's up to me now
hello
well can i can say that the i think catches really important is because if you don't have that you lost your authority last you let your story and thread a war between tokyo and half saga is just awful
as i said you laugh it in your mind before you even open the blocker before events you know sit down and mat and left the pitch is gonna be and so you have to when you could given the book you think are now you know you have to listen in your head where is
the pitch s and yeah they carry that with you because otherwise that we've all seen in that really embarrassing
was like walking around with your flight
ha
was he often the the country like in the morning the calculator will give the issues that while i'm sleepy i didn't get to see good mentor i'm know but they'll be speaking in his book you know and that in their morning voice you know
and so if even if you're reading it you should pick it up you shouldn't leave it down there
a mark on your meta shigeo oh
oh
you pick up and project and you gotta have confidence that's why between for nemec and training before you do this so they have some confidence and be back in front of everybody else you know and what'll they think of me if this course you know
but god has been embarrassed myself and all in a few though could have no you so i i can remember when i was afraid to have my voice projected heard by anybody by group people i can remember that i remember when i was learning
a heart sutra nice to chat and my car i learned to chant in my car when i'm driving
and that's how i learned a hard surgeon them and that's the way i learned how to chant was just listening to my own voice in the car and he have to be they listen to your own voice and feel okay about it
that's not easy for a lot of people
roderick road rage to grow rich
yeah yeah somebody in
but at tassajara we used the same people down to the creek that go
and in greece and she agrees the orators used to put pebbles in their mouth
no could swallow feeling
but anyway where were we her
called setting of know that yeah how would you characterise been chanting and singing besides like well see in involves changing pitch
and that's mostly changing pitch know the koreans you know have a sing song for the champ you know which is nice very nice and other people to do but in our practice thirty in such a very strong and fit of know
if very strong and expresses the strength of user them
that's really matter to them
and it is motto don't know
i said that that was emphasize is not so much the words but the strength
the power of your voice yeah i a reference to
so
vivid upon homes a personal on that's where we'll have a personal quality me
the champion were trying to minimize that just emphasize that the yeah
check my pitch d
you can see i'm when pitchers pose yeah but
it's
ah it's very masculine kind of
ah chanting actually

but that's i really like it myself i like it when it when the chinese really strong and
it just brings everybody together you know when everybody doing this together and makes you very lively and
i am energizing you know the the service should be energizing and i think that so you lose yourself in it you know
this nicely by having horns and fact the horns lead the way and or it just kind of skin oil to goes with that you know but we have to be the horns

what maybe that's good for today but i want to do this more often i want to do it really often so that and i want to work with everybody individually so i want you to come up to me and say i'd like to practice with you for five minutes
anytime i mean i can always give to five minutes you know richard day or you know ah the bills via
okay that's another level and you should talk to
andrea thatch
prepared she will talk buy packs all three
on an and
thank you read if on wednesday
a new chapter
oh that's actually had a hard is it the meteorite it's really difficult me back year
what are you doing
yeah
yeah and how are you doing that that makes it difficult but i hit it just the meter on earth is it's just hot know
it will do you have it here he recited another church on which channel
the get is not have a copy here father at the bottom
happy
that's right route
but it just seems that something she work well this is it said medicine yeah member
no yeah
may i be well loving and peaceful may all beings be were living in peaceful my at in my body feeling the ground beneath my sheep
can feel letting my back of my seat and feet
isaac may iba it is my body feeling the ground beneath my feet and feet letting my bag be long and straight edge of my breath as it rises involves in rises man if not be intimate with bodymind whatever it's feeling and mood com r agitated tire energetic irritated differently breathing in and out and and outerwear moment by moment of the race
isn't risings and bet it's in the the language has get tangled tidy but
yeah eventually it'll innovate by people knowing
the
you know one thing you can do is make it more and interfaces right with trophic
unlimited version of the right word but may every peaceful loving and peaceful may all be beware living a peaceful maybe it is my buddy in the ground beneath my seat and feed my baby strong and great show remember ever that and involve year and i'm adding a meter yes and you can do that difference
yes now
that's fine i know even though we do have
a man of tonic
it can be varied i like it actually rare candies i was a junior june and yeah but it's the thermal you know it's kind of a sudden that like big waves but just kind of subtle swells know and i think i like changing the answer to that way myself i've done that before and it really feels good and feel
oh they give some kind of more
impotence or or flavor or something fresh and another way to me for the practice act together yeah no
you do that i made that in a great time it
yeah definitely
okay
but anyway to think about but doing having some putting it in some kind of nice meter for it's not singing exactly it that speaking but it's
in hazardous
it's to it
for the sort of fighting yeah one that is to say now we're talking the hurricanes irma
well we did this as much as those we used to just recite the recent just recited now he chance psr
they've been chanted bit different it has a different field that didn't feel yes i where we are such
oh well i don't know i'm just bringing more like recited twenty and why does it's hard to out to the real not eating out there are no less than the emirate has now been kind of like title of cap said reciting
well where to think more about it you know paper about at how we best practice with my chat
for an hour and know when we can do that that maybe some now okay i just concerned wednesday night when we're doing the peace service and they're they're usually twelve to fifteen people and many of them are not people who've been here a long nap
so you know is getting familiar with etc that i wonder if
maybe there could be a timer to where you know some explanation to the yes he is emily i'm always doing brooklyn on wednesday night so i can't do that but
once we get used to i mean once we decide is actually how to do it then i think somebody can do there
but i think you just do it slower
if you know a bit slower it'll fall into the right room
i think so because each one of these chance as the own rhythmic qualities they built in to the words and phrases so the about the phrasings
the even though it's
manisha i begin to the they still it's like the heart sutra falls into we don't do that with we chant the heart surgery but it has its
it's like a more know we'd we'd do it according to our that way rephrase things in english
japanese easy because the amount of seventh in monosyllables
so that's did you know the mercurio easy but we have words which are polysyllabic and connecting words and you know so much more complex so will this keep working on it and try and come up with what really works in satisfying know
champ the heart sutra whizzing a steady be much of yeah i actually like yeah well and it makes it easier to keep them on ten yes
and they went back to that and ten center but i don't like as well
the
thank you