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today
the greed hate and division and
i think i would agree with jack kornfield who says sometimes know when we were younger we first started practicing buddhism
to which he started to when i did in the mid sixties he went to thailand and went into my during the vietnam war
and brother out their job a jungle monique forest monastery big subject you know that see the shells going up their vineyards important steps
anyways ago when when i was starting to perfectionism and a great a division final with would get through that and then go on
later on i i found out he says of need to grieve was really great
hatred or anger is really hatred her anger and
a delusion is really delusion and it wasn't so simple as let's put this behind us and you know get on with it
as you know our son buddhism
so delusion is also some question of the sometimes
called ignorance to

so it's take your insert delusion is ignorant ignorance ignorance is overlooking are ignoring basic can infect facts one of the basic had effects if one ignores is that and the is what we were talking about him when i just referred to as i could you have object
and of
oregon
and consciousness
they come together in a moment
is are so in any moment there's a consciousness oregon we say my dog and mind consciousness if it's a mental object or since object than we have eyes ears nose and we have consciousness in the object when they comes into existence and arises we can separate is three but
we know there must be these three there
and then we attribute all these things to the object
rather then
consciousness things they what did you know that the object as join or the object has is in and or the object is
there's something you know to be hated here for something bad here in the object we we think it's in the object so this is a matter of ignorance know basic and pigments in fashion to even think that there is such a thing as objects is to a kind of ignorance so delusion
is actually have to think that there really are existing objects
you that you could the chip could infect have great for or you could infect at eight that's why division goes over here because you have to understand that that object really is there in order to desired are annoying to hate it makes if you don't understand it's actually there you know
i really believe it's actually there than you can be going after it or trying to get to the pit
but a lot of of course a lot of the things that we say well what do i do about
you know we said what do i do about anger and allow the tim we ask that can question the anchor was when was it was it yesterday was at five minutes ago we don't use their when we're angry say what do i do about anger
yeah
so then we're trying to do something about something that happened five minutes ago or three hours ago and what would we be able to do about it
anyway
ah
there's a book gyp generally in person but sometimes it said that know people are of different types there's great tips it types and division tapes
and the story i like about that is the people going to a party you go into a party
and maybe it's like in a community day up dinner here at him
get your party and some people walk into the parties in liquor in wow look at all these interesting people why this looks like fun and what great music that isn't that food looks really good
and they're i'll set you know another people walk can they go who are these people are that music is too loud the food looks so greasy yeah
and the delusion people that are confusion you know they come and say what's happening and then the
what's going on here
the us and
i don't know if you have been a little bit short in my discussion about this but we're going to talk about it so much
see what happens
hmm

the hindrances this by
five hindrances
and why they're called hindrances is because they hinder concentration in hinter the
the development of concentration

have since desire
have a key to your anger
and then there's them
sloth and torpor
this worrying excitement

and then he said
doubt
doubt
and
on a lot of temperature eight when you start textbook hindrances and then episode say
it is there something else i mean
and then where i spent all my life
from them up my never noticed anything else that the
since desired so you're pretty familiar with this right
the no
explain it okay
and
well and you can either have you know an existing sicko supposedly existing object that you see when sees or
that agreeable are pleasant and then one wants to ah
habit or possessive in other words if it's such a good object we're giving you pleasure why not keep it around
right
so
this is whether it's something you see or hear
or if it's an object that that's very convenient because then you it's even you know if it just does sound how are you going to possess the sound for goodness sakes right so certain things are more conducive for you know having since desire for you could have says desire for sound but it then you have to like imagine it
no an origin on a possessor something like that
i want the record you know the thing too because then i could play it whenever i wanted to and i would have this great feeling that i had when i first heard it
but as you know
the those objects arconic and are objects don't have this capacity to provide you with the same experience you get the first time for the second or whenever it was that you are so thrilled with the particular object
the music
and then if it's a person for goodness sakes nella than you know the person is changing
and they then they don't seem to keep providing the same sense you know
ralph gratification in there might have been initially
so anyway
but to have so as to have since desire you can see you have to start if you have to believe that there's this object which continues and which will then has the capacity to give me to continue to give you the pleasure that you're either experiencing now or that you're imagining
sometimes we tried to weigh in our imagination we can create objects so to speak with are attractive he was pleasure that we can have since desire we can want to try to possess that are shaped or we can think that if i can imagine this subject now i should go up and actually make this happen in real life
you know if i can imagine where it's ice cream cake or food or
making love with somebody you can imagine it right than you think i should go make this happened in the real world
because it was so good in my imagination
it's bound to be better
in the world of course you forget that in the in the real world there may be other consequences like the stomach ache and
other search of problems that you didn't think of that wasn't part of what you imagined know things in reality of there's more to it
then when you when we put in our mentioned it
yes
hans
well that's and states of mind to the extent that you desire them
as as a sense yeah if you
yeah that's included as since desire right so if you have a beautiful thought
and you want it you like that that are you would you would like to think that that and then you're just you're having a sense this is a sense this area
and emotions or states of minds it's mind this is also true here to i'd like to have a wonderful beautiful state of mind i can imagine how nice it would be and as a matter of fact my mind seems pretty crummy so i would like to have this other one that seems know that looks to me very attractive
unpleasant and so i'd rather have that other one
so while we're busy
you know thinking about his other wonderful state of mind imagining
and some other state mind and how attractive that is no
this is setting up the notion that by comparison the state of mind that were in or that we think we're in
must you know is is a
the state of mind they were and since and and pray know or whatever or painful
art
every that is so one of the ways
one of the ways to these hindrances are ways to get out of concentration
in other words you kind of object list what we were talking about last time of the flow of concentration which is not particularly in the object
remember when you checked with within this is maybe sort of nominally focused on the breath and other objects maybe coming up so
when there's often when there's something know about discussion about this moment body find are strained since grayer or paint color are conflict this conflict
yeah i'm in look bad
then we can imagine
some other this the state you say well i want that one i don't want this one than we can have moments of since desire and then making a moments of
ah averting hatred anger burning

and then it up and order to have the hatred or anger inverting we have to be able to a we have to imagine
some other way it could be and then the way it is
we can try to get rid of that comparison it's painful or difficult
and even more so now that we've imagined some intimate fitter
am
so similarly but it with reverse in this situation hatred or anger
again we have gently
we have some experience
and there's something about it which catches us week
and we think now i am
a thing to do is get rid of this
no i know i'm going to have to get rid of this get it out of my sight
get out of my neighborhood
the my mind to get it out of my body
it's really despicable yet but is it it is really despicable
so we
you know we have to
but this on the object as the sound
or the visual or the thought this is an awful tough to get rid of it

so you can see it's first a bit of applies to
when it applies to mind right if you had an emotion
are you have a
a thought
and then now i'm going to get rid of the emotional does because it's so painful
an emotional that goes along with consciousness
and mine oregon
this is all happening in mind now where do you going to get rid of
but somehow we get this we get going on it so we we think that you know our our to arouse some anger and hatred towards it is actually we think effective in getting rid of this
so often times do we have
anger
that really makes me mad
sir one of the things that course it happens with the hindrances as we used them to combat other hindrances
what's wrong with you you have so much since desire that's really terrible that's really despicable you've got so much sense desire you know you're not supposed to have that kind of sense desire we tell this sort of thing for herself so then now we're pushing and something what what do we
no it's it's for the since desire by now it's five minutes ago we were going on and on with their anger at herself
or something that you know you hear something this arouses angered this in britain has all these wonderful lengthy certain things about you know you hear a sound somebody says something to you
and then
your ears are working right
so but you'd take that sounds which is just say and you can turn into they they she she you know must be thinking such and such about me or they wouldn't say that sort of thing to me and i think you know and they're trying to do this and we we can we have a whole story about it
and why that is something to get angry but and or and are thinking to some extent of this is if i have when i have anger as i've said sometimes it's like
i'm saying you know it might work with somebody else certain people you can intimidate if you talk to me like that again i'm going to be angry with you
and so then certain people that are k be very careful other people like they forget
are these people that you haven't met before so then the anger is gonna come up and then but when it's your own stuff
what about them new and you get angry at your own stuff like your since desired this year since desired care for the you've just gotten angrier
isn't nothing to show up again just because you know you get mad so but we to chase after them and then after we get angrier we might go into a little sloth and torpor
no it's depressing to be so angry on the own right isn't it doesn't think it's a depressing after where we get to said he said you can go and and interpret next
sloth and torpor
print this great words
in there
i think it's kinda neither in them

anyway this is something like depression or laziness for tired
then it's
the pages like i give up
this there's no point making any effort
i try so hard and then all the stuff still happens
no so why bother i can even in up again and stop trying you know i've i've been i've been trying to make this right and i've been i've been trying to make myself into a better person i give up
i've had it
and it's you know then that means that to so
this is also like the out as opposed to
a lot of this is yet and know as you can see these are ways to avert this is the obvious that a classic ways that we have heard from the object ids in front of us so to speak
course this then becomes the object it's in front of us
but you know to say that it is what hinders our steps or concentration is to say that here we were
you know concentrating on whatever it was
breath posture know walking washing letters
we were concentrating on something
and then we go on this is so tiresome
i find this so tiring
or you know this is so hard like i think you know i think i'm just gonna go to sleep now
you know have you ever noticed that
like the day it's hard maybe you know i think i'm just going to go to sleep
because and one of the things people say sometimes and when i propose like a green guardsman i do once a month my one day sitting there
often you could say well how do i wake up and says and as hadn't been falling asleep one of the things i sort of want to know is do you want to wake up
i mean who cares really be wake up or and hood to seventy care and if you want to wake up it means that it means you're you know it means you won't have this nice refuge called sleep
which means that the object that we would otherwise be paying attention to attend to maybe be a little bit difficult little bit painful a little bit tiresome a little bit annoying is it's hard basically what happens when you pay attention to something
it isn't it interesting pay attention to something that is them it's not what you thought it was and there's more to than the and it doesn't quite do what you wanted it to
this what happens when you pit in other words it since your patronage and seven year relationship and in america you know they meant the happiness has never happened to relate to anything ever
you know you push the button the tv goes on
with the food and microwave
i mean let's not have to wash symptom right or cut it never figure out how to cook out this just put it in their press a button
you know
my cooking workshops i talk about this could see that it's like when you go to the grocery store it and certain isles especially if you've been tested her their midst in know rosen color right and it says like is litter boxes and packages and they're served flashy
he
and you walk down the eye on they're going

buy me by
and then you know if you're a sort of stuff in your they were why
am i mean if you don't just go like okay
whenever you say
if you if you actually suited go well why didn't they go on quick i'm easy come easy
you won't have to relate to me
see i want you won't have to think at all you won't have to feel at all you won't have to look handle you know you can just have something to eat without having to actually relate to anything i'm quick and easy
when you get to the project but you know you want to have this is not something you can have a relationship with
no relationship is different you get to the relationships in the proudest from and
hi how you doing pretty good that's his with you and then because those things aren't going like this
they're just incidentally er visit
the relationship suddenly has turned him to urgently know historic the anything
and then and then they consider x talk you can actually relate know your pretty good improved well i can't figure out what they have for dinner
you know if you've checked out what's over there for you and then
know what about what's no looker at and then you know pretty but you have to actually there's this relationships they then you have to figure out well what would i do with it
what do i need to do how do i pad right
bring this along how do i fix it up how do i make
this in the food
and then that's what work you know that's actually relating to something that's actually looking at it what does it look like and then you know and then how am i what am i going to have to do in to disorder all that out this is relationship
so concentration is also you know is this relationship and the hindrances are in effect cutting up
your the way that we stop relating nonsense is stuff we want to stop relating it's too hard i can't figure this out i don't know how to make this into food
i don't know how to make this you know into dinner
this is not feeding me
and i don't i know and i'm stuck now i don't know what to do so forget it i don't want to relate anymore
and one way not related to think of something more wonderful someplace else or you don't want to relate with so fuck you you know or whatever you know you tell something you know well this is not what i want to have a relationship is to get lost this is you know like book and i'll go to sleep
and maybe when i wake up it'll be better
you know our i'll try again when i have a little more energy to relate to whatever it is
worry and excitement this is the you know where he and excitement this is just the pleasant minus and this sort of worry worry is they
well i don't know if this is gonna work out
and excitement is i had this could really be great
ah so it's kind of for projecting into the future and can you know what's going happen to me what's going to happen to everything else and so it's they're both they're serving the same category which is
no project know is it going to be isn't going to be worth the effort
so you can get you the word are excited about it
and
what about this dinner of about to cook
or what about this situation i'm in
and what's going on
will it work out
i'm of and so to some extent know where he goes along with the anger hatred i'm a little worried that this is going to stick around longer in definitely not always be stuck here or who i'm really getting sober now
yeah
what am i
yeah
right leg
the with the yes
yeah yeah yeah that's good yeah too much energy
and worry is a kind of too much energy to
that's like before you
whip something i was taken with the other day about this
worry or anxiety
it's a kind of energy which isn't actually is which is like cheers you saying that actually engaged
in
in the activity
so like em before you do something like before you give a talk maybe you get anxious or before you cook while you're actually cooking or once you're actually serving at some point you may you may not have this anymore
if and so to some extent that's good because you know a part of this is is a kind of excess of energy which comes up and it's more energy than and were used to heaven and so it's hard to choose have a to relate to the object
athletes up and get them before you know our musicians and he kind of performer there's a kind of increase in energy before the event and then often when you actually get into the event then the energy flows through and it's fine but prior to the event is
i doubt is

ah
that is a in a certain ways you seemed somewhat similar they think to slides interpret but it said it's to nothing's ever going to work out and there's no point why bother what's the use
ah in the is an issue to concentrate you got like this is stupid suit as soon as there's any effort or movement
you never get anywhere what's the use why bother
and so you you can it's a way to sabotage or undermine
ah concentration
virgin has found here
protection against failure so when not not not have to actually failed
but it's also
is this a moment that we've been serving talking about you know any any moment
that is it
not to relate to any particular moment
in our life is is pretty difficult because basically this is unknown
we don't know what's gonna happen
it hasn't it's not like it's happened before
so any particular moment where we start and so one of the thinks we started doing like this is like unknown
and basically because it's unknown whether we can project all kinds of things
about what would what will actually happen in this unknown
and so
a man and when it's unknown like that then you can you can think of
you can project on and
very same
so it can be so it can be scary something might happen to me
i might look bad in a day bringing up about failure reminded me about this
how so
we have these other ways you know that it's very interesting that even though we are you know we may be tired of our since desire or anger or are sleepiness or in are worrying so i haven't even though it may be tired of it it's known
it's mine
i know it i'm familiar with it it's me
whereas to relate to
the unknown is suddenly like well what am i gonna do
and we like to think that

how we like to think that you could know what to do by nine by knowing the object by knowing what's going on here
and that we think if it's pleasant you know okay well then i'll try to get hold of it and if it's if it's painful i try to get rid of it and if it
is overwhelming well maybe i could go to sleep
so we started want think think that we could know what it is
and at some point in our buddhism is about being willing to beef
in this moment which is where we don't know we don't know it's unknown in it's in that sense it's served like a
it's scary when am i gonna do i will i act what will i say
engines in in the course in meditation
we've talked a little bit about various sort of aspects like this but
we say well follow the breath
in pretty soon after that we have to add but when you follow the breadth of allow the breath or can you follow breath that you haven't you know already imagined where you don't know what the reds is going to do can you actually inhale can you inhale where you don't know how long any was going to be or way
it's going to be like or where you're going to experience it
in can you can you follow an exhale where you don't know
where you don't already know ahead of time with what's gonna happen
is that possible
so even at that level where it's my breath after all it's your own breath
even at that level it's very you know it can be pretty overwhelming you can we draw up and depth of our conception or our projection of what's gonna happen but we know and actually begin to experience subject it's of the lads side of
what we think of breath is

i so the the nature of our awareness so in a certain since the nature of awareness is control
and so part of the
to control this unknown
he wanted to control the unknown and and in that sense we want to control on our body or mind our experience our breadth or of inhale or exhale
because if it was really unknown then we don't we would work you know something can happen
some think it actually happen
there are part of meditation at first is moving you know from control to
you know something like alone or
not control
but and so my beginning to just test your experience in a very simple direct way inhalation exhalation which is beyond my idea
an inhalation experts

oh no

count sometimes running by fears and on this list
in fact i don't even think it's a m
i am and darwinism found the dominant spring
it doesn't exist various i'm sorry

honey
zappa
my ears
xe comes to the of
i i'm no words on this list you know but i can
tag fabulous it
and so spending
the
yeah

angry birds are you
this point

remember opening like you want somebody at bangor and right now i get that appear
like the anger away from them
i
if you can be in a situation like one of the ocean struggle in the snow in there were the
beijing
collection
care of my state gave her a ticket
they're doing here
why i killed
hurry
projection that
can i think it depends on here
here's the national what happened
yeah
the a to sort of elemental fears have you got there larry
the to concentrated are no it's it's only when she went into this we're going to smoke a greater because this situation about or worry or anxiety about it them
basically one of the examples was being in a boat on the road system
feeling of greed for personal survival
that's going on
some subset of as at the group group reset your password
well
need
the people who have served status as they i get the kid then we are like is it supposed to like somebody picking up a couple of ocean water than st where all the drops are from
which favorite the drabs came from it's best to be that hard to look at the moment a constant send to tell all the things that are going on so i'm not i'm certainly don't consider myself to kind of expert who can make this kind of that
you know i'm happy to have been a therapy it's and to have object know guess i can't figure out which that combinations of know the rest of these things i do know that joe
he knows it as a general kind of thing is as as you can have know lawyers and stuff in a depression
ah depression is off and on top of anger
that is taken when you stop being pressed we can have some
are you know because depression is putting the lid on some energy which is coming up
which is too volatile so because it seems valid to you and it's minutes the relationship
in other words if
you know neighbor are in our model of
now bottle of settled to sell on himself
it
them

that's it

so
settled herself the south
so if a what's going on down here is and
yeah we got i would we got know so much about it know if it's kind of unknown and will say why
i don't know what's going on there i think i'd better stay away from that it's a little bit like the than other fairy tales about you know iron john is that is a good one like that where is the beginning of it is there's a part of the woods where it's gotten know that when people go into that part of the word
it's they disappear and they're never heard from again
so other people stopped going to that part of the woods
so maybe i should be careful about you know actually
save paying attention to any of this stuff because you know i could get last year
i could get swallowed up various things can happen to me so what did i so what am i stay in my head
you know in my thoughts and in my what i'm familiar with and keep creating basically you know these sort of things when i keep creating these kind of thing so that i don't have to actually relate to any this deficit and then
and
so if i'm you know at some point because there's energy in our body in are being
now and say well i'm sorry but
i thank you
then this is keeping a than you know when it's successful
it's depression
but the thing about it is that you might not be very innocent people are very good at it so you can have this a long lasting profession
over a long time but what happens to a lot of this is that the anchors still coming up so because we're not utilizing this energy it's energy because we're not utilizing this energy
then after a while and explodes
no
no because it sort of been building up them here because we don't use it it builds up
this makes sense to kind of the know so anyway that's one this is just this just one aspect of anger
is it it comes out of the relationship it's a little bit also like saying to somebody the assembly concept you over and over again says and i hate doing
and then you'd serve ignore them
you know when did they make them up and say i didn't in your ignorant didn't say
which you pay attention to me why can't you say hello what's going on anyway you know this is sort of comes out of relations you know it comes out of them
know the relationship so i we saying that you should try to understand
know something we don't we often don't understand or notice how things these sort things are actually coming up because of our basic way of names
you know ideally dealing with this unknown so if we say to to what is unknown
i don't think i want to relate to you
and neck you know and i'll just try to stay in my own little world at some point the energy just explodes
so let me this
this it guess
he was this is this is sort of one this is one a different you know last week i was also talking about the analogy of
the the metaphor this is talking about it in terms of kind of relationship you know that these tend to come out of the kind of relationship we have we done here with it with the supposed to the objects
the and then
last week last time i was talking about the fact that and meditation there are areas of our body which were we've organized our gain sympathy energy flows around those places
the energy arising doesn't fit into these places that are painful and difficult than we actually have these places in our body so when you practice meditation we're generating energy and were also that moving
which is a way to reduce the energy
because we're not moving and regenerating energy they said the energy starts to come into these places in our body were then she's been going around and this if this starts to vibrate
in some places your body than that it's experiences angus
the sometimes you experience something you know like this is anchor than other times you just experienced kind of like in your body
in anger can be lots of places
then your
have dominican in your chest and throw your head like the next months of places where there's a kind of intensity of energy
that said weren't you can do it for that you couldn't control
but when you have the energy in your body yeah you can have the energy in your body and then when you just experienced energy in your body's energy in your body that doesn't necessarily translated into the emotions of anger

well it's
in a certain sense i guess that it's not exactly
probably closer to ignoring or kind of overlooking not looking
being in the body not having awareness in the body carefully enough to experience it as bodily energy and barley phenomenon

or something outside his driver's license chris
no
that earlier you said
no with only five minutes ago
it was that
now it seems like a person percent angers are like cool absorption
so
hence out for of his trash and powerful can
so i'm to happens
well it's it's it's often stretch that sort of thing and proceed
and that when them
the most crucial explanation and am familiar with where the states of anger there and then when the conditions are right which means that
and dependent on stuff that happens either outside or inside
the conditional to write to see counting grows into an expression and then in fact and anger is expressed
in a produces a safe
pictures
they said jewish justice system in brussels re it wasn't express yeah seven cents when was in this sense than the anger where which is energy know in utilizes that anger not been expressed its energy or now been
only thing that's not been related to and certain sense
so seem obvious the anger seem pixel and so what is activated to say that sense is the fact that we're not if what is not relating with the ongoing dynamic one thing
okay and because and then that's what tends to activate this will soon sense

it's not as a it's not a certain that the

hmm
a
it's not as though the hangars existing already his anger
and hiding out somewhere it's just you know this is this is only anger when when we experience it has angered this this this there's no inherent object here that's hanging out of here waiting to be anger it's just energy it's or it's are being in the same way that know it's all consciousness
or it's you know it's body mind
so it's not it doesn't have any identity is you know it's unknown
so it's not show the anger is hanging out this is that this is a place in this and
it's not to that the anger thing and it's unknown and then when we are and a sense when we when we
this is only one kind of explanation i'm bankrupt because there are many different kinds of explanations being here okay
but to a certain extent with we don't relate with the unknown and when we are always saying to the unknown your bed
i don't want to deal with you i don't want to relate to you are we say like you know
somebody says hello somebody give saying you can i talk to you know well when can i talk to you i don't want to talk to you
in that kind of situation that dynamic
no that's or what events are dynamic
then at some point
this can be then
but it wasn't it wasn't like that's anger this is just to saying what you need pay attention to me
it's just something unknown
i didn't know about a man making sense
could become older and
if you expect
sensation
at the point digit from
or
no one insisted
maybe this is another useful explanation if it's not abused but i don't know i'm happy to just let go of it
but the you know our
and it's not exactly

an episode of a man or five was
isn't it
no serious thirty six chapter
those up this guy
at one point to some patients
the
one point we launched into this thing about
how the idea that we have
a bit cause like killed of they just charge he said that is just not that terrible it is
kind of framework presented by remembrance of it but i've never
why was clearly still user
why the soviet energetic is a sort of like
yeah same here that we can express sort of anger of were some just stand
never that john
look that is a problem and we know to treat something as existing and ongoing like that
but then your years
i don't know where to start now but because
anyway where i'm trying to say it's you know the
there's a
you know suppose supposed arctic
the suppose an object which is
there in any moment of consciousness
i
to the to some extent at least the the way we treat this object
has something to do with
the way and the object appears to us
so if i treat the object as being the object is being scary
or
disturbing
or you know oftentimes anger is related to the fact that you know the underlying anger is feeling of helplessness
for vulnerability
so this object appears overpowering overwhelming
and of and if i don't get angry
you know it's going in it's can it's going to get me in some way
so all shine to say is that the way that the way that we the wind what we're thinking about this object or the way it was treating this object which is not anything in particular but just the fact that we tend to treat things to certain way
names that no then step will appear to us you know campus because of the though
what we're projecting onto the object
which doesn't have anything to do with effective have that angers fear
that angers in the objects
this is

i'm in have to you know some point said this is so been in your and that's what i'm trying to say is that and
because they can be complicated card years we say i but i was just another object
and
but there's a bug in a certain sense there is
what we identify with is being i a minute you know investment i don't want to thank you for this i'm just trying to i'm trying to say something with to me as basically pretty simple it's just that there was the when we treat things are look at things are what we see in things how are we has some committee
do with what kind of factors
and to a certain extent in the case of anger mr extent has to do with the fact that there's there's stuff that's going on at a certain sense asking for our attention
i'm giving our attention this certain sense then there can be
a kind of flood of step
it's a kind of and which we've been inexperienced his anger
airbrush of it yeah yeah so it seems like this two different actually two different things happening in sense where notice this
my mind divided against itself
i've known or unknown vitality
body and consciousness whatever kind of mind that refuses i do you ever had with can relate to it and then the surface tension is there and know sort of each moment
you seen or whatever it is tension continues to be there as long as it's not gotten some way and then a certain point
something else
now it just happens along the
kind of fits into the right genetic neglect or whatever to do
to trigger
no it's another to respond to this emotional habit of anger through instead of really look through again meeting what's there within them fifty body
you describe it
gets projected onto something else a bad thought
bedfordshire
yeah so basically if you have
where what if you're if some part of you is getting vibrators and you can find the you know whatever object it it can be the object which is you can blame the sun

a member
that's how they can find about transmuting
this and yeah because or whatever else myth as you say it's it's vitality and sense that it's
you can go lashing out at but you know this is like what kind of your receipt and endless i've i've probably told you important but the summer that i was the tonto here year as she came to visit and
there was december that i complained about having to give tax and he said least near the language
but it seemed like in a number of people had gone to talk to him and number of people who told me about the a little bit but the conversation with him and it seemed like and i talked him he was the same thing and basically it seemed to tell everybody they said well i'm angry i feel is these people i have to work with i'm really tired
as the
the schedules too much bother whatever it was in he's basically it seems to have told people and supplier of your life worth living don't you think
and then nigga pounds from oh yeah that's right that's just the that supplier in my life was blooming
oh i thought it was anger
oh i that of is tired
but that sort of what i'm trying to think so that's a very simple way of saying it
and so what is what makes a difference between don't say it it is anger and is so anger is seen it in certain contexts in the flab your life as limit is this is another contexts
so we call it anger because we put it into a certain certain kind of
it's not just anger so so our vitality or energy or you creativity and
and we're not using it somehow we're not we haven't figured out how to we haven't related to it enough to figure out how to use it just like your they didn't have to a carriage know how to make it into something edible
so we have to we would have to relate to it enough to figure out how to make it work how to use it actually permission to be itself
what's not just been itself it has to do with the relation you know how to relate to it's the relationship because also it's in part of that relationship means they usually we get the idea that i am but if there's something about a hair
rather than saying that you know that maybe i need to change how i relate to this or you know step our just generally related things
no i'm not going to change that i i do something about that
in usually what happens you know in meditation is you find out that you can't do that much about a about this definite you may have to give up and some way may have change you meant to change your idea about you know what's going on here i've certainly had to do that with anger
once

yeah
fast

i'm using the words relating but you know
we're really talking about i mean we started out talking about concentration
and in concentration concentration in supplying the mind to the arctic this relationship but it's not just applying the mind to the arctic to justice and joy and to me is which means them you know vibrating in some way it's more than just applying months as the average trying to control the app
if there's actually this
residents or in that sense relating to the object or finding out about the object
right and then what would i do with it there's that's now and then eases a it is also like willing to do that making oneself at home and in this place we don't know what to do
so this is all this is this is all included under concentration is you know what i'm saying is relating but then there's also we get fucked of now mindfulness
also means that and then there's lots of things in his kindness and stuff
because basically know if you take the seat milo
didn't we talked about that you can talk about this and lecturing now which is this is the this is the basement in this is the and has
know and the seeds are in the basement and sense of anger and know greed and south and torpor here so when the conditional track and they came up now when they come up
what are you going to do okay most of the time our tendency is when one of these hindrances or thinks it's a problem for has come up we're going to attack it with one of these other ones
so you can attack you know since desire with anger you're going to attack angry with love interest or you can check angular since this error or you can have doubt
and so you can go back and forth the mondays as as the solution for whatever it is it's coming up
and the point is that when you do that
and you start then your denture involved with this hindrances in your know you're not able to concentrate and you're not able to have mindfulness and and it's into attacked what comes up with these other things that just keeps perpetuating this phone sort of camp at cycle
okay and
and to some extent of course one can keep myself occupied a busy up here said that the worst of stuff doesn't come up
but what happens in sitting there courses that paying for things very painful things can come up
and now what do you do
something very painful sunset
are you going to attack with anger
here are you going to go to sleep now
i mean i know that you know painful stuff comes up the meditation
safe so we're we're trying to do you know is to continue to our concentration and also said mindfulness and perhaps even some kindness which is to which is to instead of attacking it with this a was another one of these things we we can actually
to be are you know it is sense you know like a friend
mindfulness means mindfulness means you know experienced to experience something without judgment
no like we say to see
i mentioned to to see somebody for the first time and not think about whether you liked them or not to say the coloring moon and not wish for more color brightness
his anger okay
incidents impossible just experience anger
and when we do that and we're not we're not sort of fighting against it are pushing against it or avoiding it are going to slay current and we just can allow it to experience it then we don't create another seeds
actually something can get released
something has been released
so it helps to be concentrated into than be able to relate to something in this in this kind of for way which is which is not and there's some kindness or gentlemen sphere
and it's you know the
the analogy is like
you know just and we we them are the the analogy incentives and is of it
and you think well that's too conservative well but what is what works any better than just sitting with it
is a you know is there's something you're going to do actually to make it better to fixator
you just get you know some point you've just sit with it and that releases it it's a little bit like that
i heard about them
san fading was at san francisco where you know the the it's a kind of therapy area of a little sandbox and there's walls the walls of toys and objects and stuff that you can fit to the sandbox and make this same sans serif san trays sandbox therapy yeah and the way i heard it is you make the same and then you'd tell the therapist about
it it work what's the saying you've made there and they don't and that that's it
it's not like can you don't have to talk about why you make a scene just talk about what the scene is
but it's not as a therapist is going to do anything it's just think there's an awareness it's big enough
just received things just see it's like in a certain sense that's also in a why why it's also called heart
has attended the heart that receives and now an end if you know in chinese japanese that the word for mind his heart or part mind kind heart
but it's the heart that extra can just received things and and doesn't have to
fix them but you know this it's this presence there
you and you understand what i'm saying
this is actually possible to do and and in fact when it takes is it takes hard do you have the heart for it
no or for you going to
you know tell it to go away or try to grab it or try to possess it or you're gonna get nuri you with the heart just to be with something
and some point is something to be with his your own anger or in your own frustration and your own fear
and just being with it and the thing with it
his work releases the law in of this a all stuff
but it's also the being with it is what allows us to actually respond
you know from the depths of are being rather than to respond with
you know some of thing that we're going to do because it's it's what you do with this stuff
when you dislike something are your parents know if we have anger than they think will
now we have these ideas about how you how to get rid of something or how you treat something
if you know if somebody's careless when you how do you treat carelessness
give your careless but you do we have we grew up with all these kind of ideas about well you know you just do this and this in this or know and so we'd have these approaches when we have this kind of fixed ways of doing stuff
which is all of our habits and everything you know that were sort of caught up in and that's in a just that just keeps on going because it's our particular not in nexus except for when we are seeking practice concentration some mindfulness and maybe some kindness you know in good heartedness and just be with things
things
but we're that we're we're not doing all of our stuff when we're not pulling out our whole repertoire of
no behaviors
to try to control things and you know and chest things and fix things and and so on
just making sense
oh no
saddam was fierce money
the conditions and sort of the protective blanket term loans
set one when erroneous and that means that means
so the it's interesting that turn ceasing is injects acquiescence it's not like know he's mad making some chickens and superior in education comes on a blast and by the water to remind is acquiescence
sunway us itself
yes there's a to tell there was no alcohol
ha i had so much more touchy about
let me just spend maybe about four months and thirty
now maybe know
i do want to say a little bit about is there
said usually you know if it's so often times with think that the thing to do is to get rid of the hindrances
and i'm not another entrance is the get rid of it but actually we don't need to get rid of the hindrances we make them you know if an object of our concentration in our mindfulness will be aware of it
and you know it's like it's in a certain sense this is this is a gang when i was trying to talk about before bed
it's a little bit like just being just listening and receiving
and and not you know if if you're with somebody who's really hurting
no and you say in person
finding your feelings from that you don't have anything if you're unhappy bad
does that help the person is really hurting
and you get mad at the person no shape up don't be such a baby
no or if you say a junior really pretty
you know this is supposed to make the person feel better
in our i'm tired of you
so what you tell somebody who's really hurting at some point you know really look at some point it's really nice thing to do to just be with someone
then you can't you can't you know somebody who dying you're not going to fix them you're not going to make them all better but have you tell them you know there's taken a tie
said some point it's just being with things just being there and that's it and it's tremendous healing
which doesn't have to do with coming up with some great strategy know so you know if there's if there's hatred if their sleepiness it just thing with it is that sodas and just a bit with it
if
i also want to
ah
i've talked about this a little bit in my lectures but there is a sense in which
again and term surface you know what is our basic relationship but you know these are all star teachers to
in a potentially are teachers
so i really think that if it when we
why wider since it since desire comes up a lot once someone since desired come up
he said because it's there and there's just a bunch of it there well i think it also says something about the basic way i must be going about things
how they you know i'm not going to bad things with frame much joy maybe i need to cultivate joy
you know and without have been attached to the object
that i'm imagining as the no object for sensor
it makes sense to you
so these things say something about us the you know so when we access to day to them you know and we sort of say
what are you doing why are here once i have
no some point they're they're not just what they appear to be
one
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god for what it's worth
right now
as me or intention the country as